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Kris & David are guestless this week but we have a tremendous show talking about the week that was October 6-12, 1997. We discuss the death of Brian Pillman and how badly it was handled by the WWF, the beginning of DeGeneration X, Jim Cornette = angry man, all kinds of Japan goodness such as the debut of PRIDE, Paul Heyman correcting Wade Keller, and the sheer madness of an Eric Bischoff chat on Prodigy!!!!!!!! http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-12-october-6-12-1997/

You will definitely get more satisfaction out of it

I had warned LBP about a week before I quit that I was thinking about it so he knew......it got to be too much for me to deal with between doing other things and the fact that other people involved in this game had become dormant hence killing plans that I had made. Now looking at what's happened since I quit.....I definitely feel like I made the right call when I did.

A shame since he shouldv'e gone in over 10 years earlier

Okay cool......we definitely need V-3 & Cien to get in this year

John.....curious to hear your thoughts on V-3 and why you didn't vote for him

The latest Between the Sheets brings up a very interesting talking point about how critical Sting was to the success of the nWo that I haven't really heard before

Lagarde was my last cut and he definitely should be in

I wanted to have a separate thread for ballots only

If you are a voter and you want to make your ballot public please do so here. Here is my final ballot I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES Johnny "Mr. Wrestling II" Walker I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES Junkyard Dog I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES Akira Taue I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES Perro Aguayo Jr. Cien Caras Blue Panther Huracan Ramirez El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro Villano III I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE CANDIDATES Abstain I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN/AFRICA CANDIDATES Carlos Colon NON-WRESTLERS Dave Brown Gary Hart Jimmy Hart Gene Okerlund Don Owen

Here is BUTCH!!!

If I was yelling out BUTCH!!!! then yes that was me. That's my cat who was acting up.

That makes it even more awesome then. There were a lot of similarities between Memphis & WWC except Memphis had way better TV.

Next we go to Frontier Wrestling Alliance from the United Kingdom and their "When Thunder Strikes" show from 4/21/01 from the Horwich Leisure Centre in Bolton, England. This starts with a fun Alex Shane promo and he was so underrated as a stick man. Then we get promos from "Solid Gold" Scott Parker and New Breed (Ashe & Curve). "Righteous" Paul Travell vs. "The Specialist" Mark Sloan Both guys wrestle in t-shirts which is typical for this time period in the indies. Not a whole lot going on to start the match until Sloan starts working over Travell's left leg but Travell fights back with a damn good spinebuster that would make Arn Anderson proud. Travell would come back with a nice Perfect Plex as well before being punted in the balls by Sloan. Travell's selling of a Sloan side backbreaker was great as he contorted his body like Charlotte in the figure-8. Sloan would start taking it to Travell until Paul countered with a missile dropkick off the top rope. Paul went on offense hitting what was supposed to be a Falcon Arrow but botched which was followed up by a big diving body press for a nearfall as Sloan got his right foot on the bottom rope. Both men would try to put the other away and then started doing flips for the sake of flips which made no sense at this point of the match and this became a clusterfuck as both men looked like they didn't know what to do. Travell would hit a couple of overhead suplexes to win a match that had some good moments but fell apart at the end. The fans were into the action though. FWA British Tag Titles: New Breed (Ashe & Curve) © vs. The Cuban Connection (Alex & Jorge Castano) Yes we have some fake Cubans working in the United Kingdom which was funny and the fans hate their guts especially when the fake Cubans cut a promo before the match trolling them hard. The fake Cubans jump the champs at the bell but that doesn't work out well for them as they are run to the floor not long thereafter. Man is there some bad looking offense in this match especially from the fake Cubans. New Breed teamed good together and they did some nice things and the Castano's did have some nice dives to the floor but this match had zero psychology and was just moves for the sake of moves basicallly. The match would end by DQ when ring announcer Mo Chatra would enter the ring and helped the Castano's beat down the New Breed.....hilarious.....Mo Chatra then went off on the fans afterwards until the New Breed attacked the heels hitting stereo Van Terminator's on the Castano's as the crowd chanted HOLY SHIT. Then we get a long promo segment with a whole bunch of motherfuckers coming out and this was like WWE.....thankfully Alex Shane came out with like 20 people in his entourage to save the day as he attacked a planted fan from the crowd which was hilarious. Shane was great on the mic here going off on everybody. Scott Parker then showed up to go off on Shane and this is exactly like a RAW opening segment. "TomKat" Kevin O'Neil vs. James Tighe Tighe is doing a Lance Storm tribute gimmick meanwhile O'Neil is another guy wearing a t-shirt. Man does O'Neil throw some bad punches and this is against a Lance Storm clone no less. O'Neil chases Tighe's manager around the ring before getting clotheslined by Tighe. O'Neil would get dropped with a draping DDT off the top rope by Tighe who followed with a belly-to-belly suplex but couldn't capitalize after a missed diving elbow. O'Neil fought back with his shitty punches then followed that up with the WORST version of a Casita (La Magistral) I ever saw. O'Neil couldn't even slam Tighe properly before going for a dive that Tighe would counter with a superplex. Tighe would go for a frog splash that missed and O'Neil used a crappy Michinoku Driver to win. This....was....not...good. FWA European Title: Scottie Rock © vs. Jack Xavier Xavier is another guy wearing a shirt but at least this shirt is black. Rock starts off strong taking the battle to Xavier with some nice punches then backdrops him over the top to the floor where he follows up with a tope con hilo which popped the crowd although he is the heel here. Rock's valet would trip up Xavier at ringside so he chased after her then he got Rock and put him balls first into the ringpost. Rock though came back and nearly broke Xavier's neck on a huracarana off the top rope again Rock is supposed to be the heel here but he is hitting all high spots and popping the crowd. Rock would hit various high impact moves like a tornado DDT but would go for another one which Xavier countered into you guessed it...an ICONOCLASM but for a nearfall. Rock would slingshot Xavier into the referee and then nailed xavier with his title belt before hitting a big Alabama Jam off the top rope to win. This was easily the best match on the show so far but had some backward ass psychology as the heel was way more flashier and the face looked like a goof. Doug Williams comes out next for a promo about his match with Nova later in the show where he talked shit on Nova before Nova ran out and chased Doug out of the ring. Nova talks about how great it is to work in England for the first time which is followed by "bWo" chants which was something else. Nova then tells Doug that he was going to kick his "bloody ass" which popped the crowd. Next is some random ass Death Metal music video which is so unintentionally hilarious.....my lord 2001 was something else as there were so many bands like this out at that time. Chris Curtis comes out next for a promo wearing an Oakland Raiders shirt and says that he is going to kick Stuart Fury's ass later in a TLC match. Curtis then threatens to powerbomb the ring announcer before Fury runs out and nails Curtis from behind with a steel chair. Curtis would then do the same and then DDTed Fury on the chair before stomping him down and leaving. "The Showstealer" Alex Shane vs. "Solid Gold" Scott Parker Alex comes out with his bodyguards and his bitches as he called them and threatens to beat up more fans before getting into the ring. Shane wearing a black wifebeater gets on the mic before the match and again cuts a promo on the fans while stealing the New Age Outlaws & Triple H's opening schtick from 1999 saying "Let's Get Ready To Steal The Show." Shane bumps and sells for Parker early on before dropping to the floor where he eats a really sweet no hands running plancha by Parker to the floor. Parker keeps taking it to Shane before one of the "bitches" crotches him on the top rope which Shane follows with a spinning wheel kick sending him to the floor. They would brawl into the crowd for a bit where they climbed up the bleachers seeing Parker bash Shane's fingers with a steel chair sending him flying off to the floor with Parker following up with a diving cross body block off the top bleacher with the fans chanting "HOLY SHIT." They would battle back to the ring where Parker would climb up top again only to meet the steel railing after Shane threw him off. Shane then brings Parker's female valet in the ring and drops her with the Baldo Bomb after she slapped him. Parker pulled her out and then both men grabbed steel chairs where they jousted each other for a bit before Parker would go back up top where he would miss a moonsault allowing Shane to completely fuck up a spinning DDT for a nearfall. Parker then would slingshot Shane into the referee for yet another ref bump. Parker then hit a Falcon Arrow on Shane as music played seeing The Dominator come out with a trash can lid that he used to KO Parker followed up by Guy Thunder running out to attack Dominator. As this is going on, Shane drops Parker with a TKO to win the match. This was really fun at the start but it got way overbooked at the end and that botched DDT was terrible. Tables, Ladders, & Chairs Match: Stuart Fury vs. Chris Curtis Fury is skinny fucker who doesn't look like your weapons match kind of guy...he looks like a emaciated relative of Ric Blade's while wearing a FUBU jersey tucked into his baggy jeans. Curtis looks like a lost member of Los Gringos Locos circa 1993 with the tights and the long blonde mullet. Regarding the match it was pretty much your TLC by the numbers match and the crowd really wasn't reacting much to anything which surprised me because they cheered when the stip was announced. The ladder was only used once and that was when Fury hit a dive off the second rung of the ladder to win. This was just kind of a blah match to me. EWW Heavyweight Title: The Dominator © vs. Guy Thunder Dominator is part of this goth looking crew then he takes off his black leather jacket to reveal a shiny silver singlet....hilarious. Dominator of course dominates the early part of this match before he sent Thunder to the floor who grabbed a trash can and beat up Dominator's goons before going back to the ring where he fired up on Dominator before going for a sunset flip only to get a glass bottle broke over his head. Dominator then broke out a fucking dagger and started jabbing it in Thunder's head causing him to juice. Dominator's goons came in the ring and hit Total Elimination on Thunder who fired back with the Big E. spear through the ropes until Alex Shane ran out and attacked Dominator allowing Thunder to powerbomb Dominator then hit a frog splash to win the title. Dominator's goons attacked Thunder afterwards but he got the trash can and chased them off. This was yet another clusterfuck of a match. Nova vs. "The Anarchist" Doug Williams The fans are definitely into Nova and Doug does his Memphis heel stalling work early on which was fun. Some decent matwork to start with Doug looking strong and Nova trying to hang with him. Nova gets the advantage so Doug goes to the floor again and walks around for a bit before coming back to the ring where Nova would work over Doug's left ankle. Doug would use the referee to his advantage by pulling him in the way of an attempted splash by Nova which he stopped before execution and Doug would get a cheapshot in which started his offensive barrage. Nova would get some good nearfall hope spots in but Doug was good at working over Nova hitting a sweet tornado DDT for a nearfall. Nova hit a nice enzuigiri to start his comeback and had Doug reeling after a bicycle kick. Doug though would come back with the Chaos Theory but was too close to the ropes so Nova was able to come back and caught Doug with a shitty Superkick for a nearfall. Doug got too over confident while punching Nova in the corner and paid for it because Nova caught him with the Kryponite Krunch for the win. The babyface locker room then came out and celebrated afterwars with PYRO shooting off the ring posts which was hilarious. The match overall was pretty good and Nova was more subdued here working a different style. I dug it.

Kris & David are joined by Good Ol’ Will (Dangerous Alliance/Good Will Wrestling) to discuss the week that was September 22-27, 1984. We discuss Bobby Heenan jumping to WWF, Riki Choshu and friends jumping to AJPW, Jerry Lawler & Randy Savage jumping King Kong Bundy & Rick Rude, and WWF with mass jumps. Lots of jumping here so reach for the skies boys!!!!!!!! Time stamps: 0:00:00 Intro & AWA 0:21;58 AJPW 0:32:23 NJPW 0:45:00 EMLL 1:03:21 Memphis 1:20:35 Florida/Mid-South/Southwest/World Class 1:51:05 WWF http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-10-september-22-28-1984/

On Between the Sheets for that week in 1991 we talked about how WWF let about 15 guys work other organizations like Memphis, PNW, WWC without any issues.

Yeah I'm fucking jazzed for the next show or two we can do in the future about the other great characters in Puerto Rico over the years. Chicky Starr may get his own show.

Kris Zellner is joined by the mysterious El Boricua & Dylan Hales (Wrestling Culture) to discuss the history of Carlos Colon and why he is deserving to be a member of the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame. We discuss how important Colon was to not just wrestling in Puerto Rico but the culture all together as well as all of the great angles and matches that he was a part of. I learned a lot on this show and you will too as this is the most important episode of Exile that I have ever recorded!!!! http://placetobenation.com/exile-on-badstreet-15-2015-won-hof-carlos-colon/

Kris is joined by Alan Counihan (Dr. Keith Presents) & Dylan Hales (Wrestling Culture) to discuss all of the Japanese based candidates on the 2015 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame Ballot. We discuss who shouldn’t be in this section and where they should be placed, the historical significance of the modern candidates as well as their strengths and flaws. The age rule factor definitely comes up and the debates over certain candidates are really enlightening. If you are a fan of Japanese wrestling then this is a must listen for you! http://placetobenation.com/exile-on-badstreet-14-2015-won-hof-japanese-candidates/

Check the Houston results thread you would find more. Boesch @ Houston, TX – Sam Houston Coliseum – September 24, 1982 Ninja Warrior d. Frank Monte El Gran Apollo d. Killer Brooks Bob Sweetan d. Bobby Jaggers Dos Caras & Mil Mascaras d. The Dynamic Duo Killer Khan d. Scott Casey Dick Slater d. Jerry Lawler No Time Limit, Must Be A Winner Match: Junkyard Dog d. Nick Bockwinkel Tony Atlas d. Mongolian Stomper Boesch @ Houston, TX – Sam Houston Coliseum – October 1, 1982 Tom Prichard d. Cocoa Samoa North American Heavyweight Title: Ted DiBiase © d. Tiger Conway Jr. Nick Bockwinkel d. Scott Casey Bob Sweetan d. Jerry Lawler by DQ Dick Slater d. Mongolian Stomper by DQ Andre the Giant, Junkyard Dog, & Mil Mascaras d. The Dynamic Duo & Killer Khan Boesch @ Houston, TX – Sam Houston Coliseum – December 27, 1985 J.R. Hogg d. Tommy Wright Ricky Gibson d. Rick Steiner Killer Brooks d. Perry Jackson Terry Taylor d. Steve Williams Jerry Lawler d. Masked Superstar by DQ The Fabulous Ones d. Chavo & Hector Guerrero Dog Collar Match: Buzz Sawyer d. Hacksaw Duggan

I thoroughly enjoyed the JBL interview with Bischoff last night as you got to hear a perspective that isn't the WWE narrative

That is definitely true but the fact that they didn't have any breakout names for years hurt

Kris & David are joined by Keith Harris (Cageside Seats) to discuss the week that was September 15-21, 1993 in pro wrestling around the world. We discuss Shawn Michaels quitting the WWF, Eddie Gilbert quitting ECW, WCW quitting the NWA and much much more. This show definitely won’t quit that’s for sure!!!! Time stamps: 0:00:00 Intro 0:02:18 WWF 0:48:48 NJPW, FMW, JWP, Pancrase, & UWFI 1:02:07 AAA, EMLL, & UWA 1:40:21 ECW, GWF, SMW, USWA, & WWA 2:24:42 NWA(!) & WCW http://placetobenation.com/between-the-sheets-9-september-15-21-1993/

When I started this I didn't have nearly enough to do than I do now.......I'm cheating myself and everyone else but not giving 100% so I'm leaving the project. There are many factors such as everyone not being on the same timeline affecting how I was planning on doing business because GCW was always dependent on having outside big stars on TV every week and at the start I was able to do that but as it went on those options faded away. It was definitely fun while it lasted and I wish I could've made it work but with podcasts, Lucha Reports, and real life this fell down my priorities and got to be more of a chore than fun. Maybe whoever takes over GCW will do a great job with it.

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