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Is going public a significant factor in how WWE books the product? Vince has shown plenty of times that making as much money as possible isn't really his main goal. He wants to run his company the way he wants to run it and that's that. Vince IS the shareholder. He's in unassailable control. The scenario of shareholders forcing him not to push another guy because they want the profits Cena generates right now would suppose a group of shareholders would take him to court for it. No one can overrule his decisions or oust him.
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Lucha Underground this week was a better one hour wrestling show.
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How bad was Bryan's buyrate performance REALLY? Not good, but he in a long program with a totally proven non-draw like Orton. Summerslam wasn't a bad buyrate. It was close to the Summerslam headlined by Brock and Triple H. Battleground is a D-level PPV, it wasn't going to draw. Night of Champions drew better than the show with Triple H vs. CM Punk on top. HIAC did a good buyrate, and yes it was Cena's return match, but it was also probably the only Bryan/Orton match where it wasn't transparently obvious that Bryan wasn't going to get a real win. Then Bryan's out of the main event and Survivor Series is a disaster, with Cena still on the card and Orton still in the main event. TLC with Cena/Orton in a unification match did a poor buyrate too. Less than the Bryan-headlined HIAC buyrate. If Cena's return was enough of a novelty that it was totally responsible for that buyrate why couldn't the novelty of Cena in a match to unify the titles be able to match it?
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I loved loved loved this week's episode. The extended Cage vignette and especially the Vampiro/Konnan/Puma interview were great. The six man was a ton of fun. The work in the main event didn't blow me away but they did such a good job with a simple but effective build to it that I was still into it and the ending was awesome. Cage still needs to ditch some too-cute indie offense though.
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What are some examples of guys getting as over as Bryan with as little solid backing from the company?
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I just think it's a bad idea to pair the most over guy in the company who's coming back for a 9 month injury with the least over guy in the company right off the bat.
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It makes sense but it's something no one wants to see because Kane is the least over wrestler in the company and has zero value. Some things should just be forgotten.
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local advertising has Reigns v Big Show in a last man standing match It's great how just like last year Reigns gets a totally heatless, boring program before Wrestlemania. No one wanted to see Batista/ADR, it was boring on paper and in practice, and no one wants to see more Reigns/Big Show.
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I wonder if it's possible that WWE would actively try to bury Daniel Bryan so their hand picked guys don't get shit on specifically for not being Daniel Bryan anymore.
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I'm not convinced Reigns will get booed tomorrow, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Kane and Big show at the end was just the worst. They aren't over at all. Kane especially has exactly ZERO upside and Big Show not much more as a main eventer. They didn't even get booed for their entrances, they just sucked the life out of the crowd.
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Thus begins Roman's main event push as Rock's unpopular friend.
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I always laugh at hyperbolic posts like this. WWE will be alive for decades if not centuries, it is a huge multinational corporation with an incredibly loyal fanbase who tune in every week despite the consistently awful booking. Every person in this thread has probably vowed never to watch again after some terrible show that wasted their time or unfair treatment of a worker ofr awful booking decision. How many new fans are they getting though? How many kids tuning in for John Cena keep up with the product after they turn, say, 12 without the memories the older fans have that keep them loyal.
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Ryback/Rusev really would've helped this undercard. Their SD match was great and with more time and a bigger stage it really could've been something.
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Going from the perspective of "underutilized by their promotion." Mark Henry has to be way up there. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he drew very impressively every time he was put into a position to do so. The only "black mark" could be the low buyrate for his title match at NOC 2011 but that show was built around the abomination that was the Trips/Punk/Nash angle. How many guys in the last 10 years have a record of being individual draws like Henry does? He draws, he works his style perfectly, he has loads of charisma and is great on the mic. He should've been one of the absolute top stars of the last 10 years, even with his tendency toward injury.
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Ha, the fans throwing trash and Hogan pinning Steiner that actually end the match, bell and all, was very amusing.
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I do like the idea of a monster heel destroying innocent bystanders until the face gives him a title shot.
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[1999-08-11-NJPW-G1 Climax] Shinya Hashimoto vs Masa Chono
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Great match that kept getting better as it went on. I really liked how Chono went after Hashimoto's knee for a while and it didn't seem like a huge deal with Hash soon getting back into control and getting Chono in a bad position with repeated DDTs, but then when he goes for the brainbuster his knee gives out giving Chono the chance to go at it. The STFs are great and Hash's struggles in them feel really grueling. Also big heat for Chono not breaking them. Hash gets some big kicks in at the end and looks like he can turn it around but Chono quickly locks in another STF to win.- 6 replies
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I really didn't care for this. The mat work didn't impress me at all. Some big submission spots at the end were big time over with the crowd but this match did very little for me.
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[1999-08-10-NJPW-G1 Climax] Shinya Hashimoto vs Hiroyoshi Tenzan
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I liked this match a lot, it's better than quite a few of the ****+ rated G1 matches of the recent two years. Which isn't a knock on those matches at all. Tenzan looks really strong going toe to toe with Hashimoto. I liked Tenzan's knee work a lot, especially him coming off the ropes like he was going for another stike but then going low for a chop block to the front of Hash's knee.- 6 replies
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I really liked the first half or so of last night's show. Didn't care for the LMS at all. We have some lame WWE stuff seeping in this episode with the LMS ending with a "clever" spot keeping the loser down without actually knocking him out, and Big Rick being going to a "medical facility." The Cage interview was good. I have to say I enjoy Cage explaining why they call him Cage in a way that doesn't at all explain why they call him Cage. Definitely agree with El-P that more Konnan is needed.
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Great debut. They should've just run with Rock/Jericho right away, that would've been a great feud right at this time.
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[1999-08-09-WWF-Raw] Jesse Ventura, HHH and Shawn Michaels
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I'm liking Triple H's promo work here, by playing up being brash and disrespectful he's giving himself a certain character/edge that makes it feel like he belongs in the main event whereas he always felt out of place and a step below when he mixed it up with the top guys before.