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"you ever remember starting a hell in a cell match this way john" "no" oh my
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god damn i want this
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I'm sort of worried about this too. I pray we can avoid a Kane appearance.
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Decent show overall, but Dean/Seth individual inflates my excitement for it. I absolutely loved their RAW match so if this delivers it could be a top tier MOTYC. Dolph/Cesaro 2/3 falls has me interested too. The match up is no Cesaro/Sheamus but it has the potential to be good. Rusev/Show. Eh. About the least I've been interested in a Rusev match in a while. The build has been pretty bad. Usos/Rhodes should deliver like it did last time. I don't know if I'm even going to watch Orton/Cena.
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I don't know that "spotfest" is a meaningful term. It's hard to define, maybe impossible to define consistently. It's sort of inherently negative. It's a pretty empty pejorative. Everyone has a basic idea of what is being talked about when they read "spotfest," I think, but it's too loaded and provocative to be a good descriptor. There's good wrestling and bad wrestling, and good wrestling and bad wrestling across all the range of styles. There are good matches with lots of "spots" and exhibitionist athleticism that manage to be fun, creative and well-worked. You can have a match all about the spots and athleticism that still flows well and is interesting. There are bad matches of that kind that have no rhythm or momentum and are just guys doing stuff over and over again while not trying to work a compelling match around it. Rather than worrying about what criteria a match has to fill to be called a "spotfest" one way or another, worry about how you'd describe a particular match you saw, the reasons you liked it or didn't like it based on what was going on in the ring whether it was all technical, a brawl, a main event epic or full of athletic spots.
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I remember liking him for a time in 2007 when he was a heel and seemed to dial it down to work his character more.
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The Biggest PPV Match Of All Time That Will (probably) Never Happen
tim replied to Fantastic's topic in Pro Wrestling
I feel like Austin has been involved in so many different things since he first left in 2002 that his only real significant value added is actually being in a real match. Austin/Cena maybe. -
The Biggest PPV Match Of All Time That Will (probably) Never Happen
tim replied to Fantastic's topic in Pro Wrestling
How many buys could a big, co-promoted WWF/WCW PPV in 1998 have possibly done with Austin vs. Goldberg on the top? Would it have set a record that still stands today for wrestling? A total lame duck card in the 2001 Invasion PPV did 700k. Was there ever a potential main event that could have busted through 2 million buys? -
Okada/Tanahashi again isn't the most excited but I'm just glad the much talked about AJ/Okada and Tanahashi/Jerrett scenario isn't going down. Okada/Tanahashi again is a much better Dome main event than Okada/AJ again. KOPW was a very good show, I enjoyed it a lot. It's still hard to get excited for NJPW because the booking is just not good at all. Honma is maybe the best worker and one of the most over guys on the roster and they won't give him a decent push because of some scandal from 10 years ago or something? Who cares. Let him have a run at the IC-title level. Ishii is below where he should be, I will be very annoyed if the returning YOSHI TATSU is pushed above him on the card. The Bullet Club shit is beyond too much, hopefully last night put an end to it. Hot shotting the title off KUSHIDA is weird. He's by far the best in the division and still had a proper match vs. Ibushi that was called for. A rematch from BOSJ vs. Richochet with KUSHIDA now as champion would have been cool too. I couldn't care less about Taguchi. Or Desperado for that matter. Suzuki/Sakuraba stuff in the tag was fucking awesome. I'm hearing rumors about MMA guys getting involved in the Dome match ... just let them have a one on one, please.
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I'll have a top 100 in. Afterward I'm interested in going beyond the nominations list and trying to get an overall top 100. What are the best matches not eligible for this poll? Akiyama/Honda in 2001 The MPro six man with Jody Fleisch from 2003. Maybe some other MPro tags? The Hashimoto/Honda tag from 2001. I remember a Fujiwara/Ogawa match I saw years ago that I loved but haven't seen since. All would rank very well if eligible. What else?
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I think he's been outstanding this year, enough that it makes me want to revisit some of his early indie work which never struck me too much. 5 years at the level he's performing at right now and he makes the list. But if I feel the same way about his indie work I used to, and given his wasted years in TNA, I'm tending to doubt it. Still, there's all of 2015 before the lists are due and if he has a 2015 as good or better than his 2014 he could sneak on easily.
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I see the sense in that idea. You have a guy like Cena who you know has a bunch of matches people rate very highly, but also a lot of stuff that a lot of people are very critical of. More than almost any other guy, I can see thinking you can't make a competent judgment on Cena just by seeing his best matches. Hypothetically it wouldn't be a problem for me personally because to me someone's best stuff adds positively to them way more than their worst stuff detracts from them.
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Man I don't even care. Like most people I got tired of Rocky as his recent return went on but that was Rock at his best. Great segment. He punked Rusev out but does it really matter? Rusev didn't drop a loss and got a rub by being seen as a guy worthy of being in the segment where Rock makes a surprise return. At worst I think it's lateral, and in doing so produced a great segment. I don't see that hurting Rusev's heat at all.
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I absolutely love these Liger/Kikuchi tags. Contrary to everyone else in this thread I don't think this is a step below their average. In fact, I've got it ranked as the #2 of the series and sitting right outside by top 20, at number 21 right now. I love the chaotic nature of these matches and this was no exception, Liger and Kikuchi would start to brawl on the outside in the middle of Kanemoto/Kanemuru segments, interferences all over the place, heeling from the NJ guys. Some great big moments like the totally sick Kikuchi headbutt to Kanemoto, and that being played off later as Kikuchi gets into a headbutt war with Liger in the middle of his awesome FIP segment. They dial up the workrate for the homestretch but don't lose the sense of chaos and the clear roles that make these matches unique. Love the final couple minutes as Kikuchi powers up from a Liger bomb and attempts to do the same from a top rope brainbuster, but is clearly finishes as he collapses and immediately falls to a big Shotei. The only flaw in this match is the crowd. Which isn't to say they were bad, they reacted big as some big moments, but I think due to the nature of this match not flowing like most matches do and having some 'awkward' moments (awkward in a good way, imo, getting over the struggle and messiness of the match) so moments that should have felt bigger fell a little flat. Still very up there for the decade.
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94 is actually my favorite wargames
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I really think Sheamus is a strong top 100 candidate. Turns in a damn good performance almost week in week out, good at everything a wrestler should be good at, even has a decent stock of great matches. Maybe not all time classics but plenty of matches that don't look out of place on a best-of list. By the time the ballot is due he'll have had another year and a half of, most likely still, very solid week to week performances punctuated with a couple very good-great matches. He's not a guy who jumps to mind when thinking about this list, but now that I think about him I think he definitely has a spot somewhere.
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absolutely TERRIBLE ending
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"HEY EVERYONE PLEASE DONT BUY THE NETWORK BECAUSE THIS IS THE SHIT YOULL GET"
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I thought there were enough good big moments to make it a fun match, although several things hit an off note. The desperation WSS, the camel clutch power-out (though executed weirdly, it got a huge reaction) and the final three big super kick were really cool moments.
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Fun hoss fight, really liked the ending. And again, LOVED Henry crying at the end of the anthem. Too perfect. Really good show so far.
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holy shit this commentary is beyond awful
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do they have to tell us the cartoon will be exaggerated and over the top
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I would have NEVER heard of these guys if not for WWE trotting them out for no reason every now and then. And for real, I LOVED that Show/Henry segment.
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Now THAT fucking ruled. Best Sheamus/Cesaro match yet. It's like they wanted to do some WWE-meets-high-end-puroresu shit. I'm fine with Sheamus winning if this means a rematch.