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  1. Alan Kilby vs. John Elijah (9/11/84) A bit slower and more methodical than their first match from '84. Still plenty to like, but not as well contested as the Blackburn bout. Alan Kilby vs. Chic Cullen (7/25/84) This was all right, but disappointing by title match standards. The first time I watched it I thought it as a dull face vs. face bout and was down on Cullen. On re-watch, Cullen's grappling was better than I'd thought, but he controlled the bout a bit too much for my liking and consequently Kilby had a quiet match. I expected more from this because their earlier draw in June was very good. Alan Kilby vs. John Elijah (5/22/85) Alan Kilby vs. John Elijah (2/12/86) Well, these two had their match and they didn't stray very far away from it. I didn't really need to see these as the first match they had was the best and the subsequent matches didn't add much, plus they weren't feuding so the finish was usually the same with Kilby getting the rub from beating a heavyweight.
  2. Fair enough, but it's flat and an actual grid not like Shinjuku or Ikebukuro, which would be impossible to find anyone. Mind you, unless Dave was with a Japanese person, he probably had dinner at some western style restaurant which would narrow it down.
  3. When people talk about Nagoya, they really mean the central Nagoya area around the station. Most of the restaurants are street level and in a grid area, if in fact they went everywhere looking for him.
  4. Alan Kilby vs. Ray Robinson (3/9/82) Robinson's television debut. Highlights of each pinfall was all that aired. Alan Kilby vs. John Elijah (4/4/84) This was a good match-up. It wasn't as exciting as Kilby's matches against the top heels, but it was a neat contest and a good showcase for Kilby's wrestling skills. Elijah was always a bit of a JTTS in his own weight class and even in these catch weight contests, but he always gave a decent account of himself and I'd happily watch any of his match-ups. This was wrestled in his typical style with plenty of strength holds and power spots. What impressed me was how well Kilby sold Elijah's offence and how much effort they put into the holds. Nothing came easy; there was a great spot towards the end of the bout that epitomised this: Elijah picked Kilby up for a gorilla press but Kilby hooked Elijah's arms and tried to take him over for a body press. Kilby was wriggling frantically, but Elijah lowered his centre of gravity, walked forward and slammed Kilby over his shoulder onto the mat. Like this they fought for every bit of advantage. Not a heated bout as I said, but I dug Kilby in this and his selling and reactions were great.
  5. Late at night or early in the morning, but I nod off if I'm tired. I sometimes start a match in the evening and finish watching it in the morning. I do the same with movies. I just finished a 3 1/2 hour movie over four or five nights. Some of my friends can't understand watching things in parts, but I'd never finish anything otherwise.
  6. Rocky Moran vs. Chic Cullen (4/11/84) This two matched up really well and I was glad to see another of their matches. There were some disadvantages in terms of rating it in that the footage as joined in progress and the crowd, while into the match, were not the most boisterous of audiences. It was also part of some sort of Ireland vs. Scotland Davis Cup style contest and tournament style matches tend to be less memorable than other styles of bouts. Keith Haward vs. John Elijah (7/31/85) I liked this a lot. I found it on the internet so I'm not sure if I saw all of what exists, but my main take away from it was that Elijah, even at this veteran stage of his career, was a really solid foil for his opponents. He didn't have great matches, but whenever I see his name on paper against a "worker" the results are undeniably good. Haward as a wrestling machine. He made Pete Roberts seem like an outgoing guy, but he was a wrestling machine. He does a double leg takedown move in this match that is killer. Good stuff. Johnny Saint vs. Mike Jordan (3/16/88) There was actually some decent action in this, but it was an ASW bout and the bullshit was never far away in their matches. A real Jordan/Saint match in the halls might have been pretty interesting but on TV in '88 it was doomed.
  7. Dave Finlay vs. Clive Myers (aired 6/29/85) This had a bit more potential than the last bout as it as one of those 20 minute matches without rounds which are essentially best two-out-of-three falls matches. They did all their schtick which people are either going to like or dislike. I think it's bullshit, but I can see people disagreeing with me. One thing I'll say for Finlay during this era was that he was over and the whole Princess Paula thing drew heat. The crowd liked this. Dave Finlay vs. Clive Myers (5/21/86) It says something when you're glad this is only a 10 minute bout. I thought a lightening bout might focus them more, but I can't get behind either of these workers at this point. After the match, they had a best two-out-of-three arm wrestling competition. Myers was a legit arm wrestling champion and you're watching this thing and you expect it to go somewhere, maybe Finlay attacking Myers and beating the shit out of him or something, but no, Myers wins, Finlay's humiliated a bit and that's all that happens. Needless to say, angles weren't British wrestling's strong point. Dave Finlay vs. Ringo Rigby (7/15/86) The 80s weren't kind to Rigby. Hard to believe he's the same guy from those early 80s bouts. I actually enjoyed this more than the Myers feud as Finlay beat the crap out of Ringo in a pretty tight match. Serviceable late period TV match.
  8. Marty Jones vs. Bobby Gaetano (11/9/82) This wasn't a truly great match, but it was a heck of a spectacle. It was a 15 round title bout for Mike Marino's vacant World Mid-heavyweight championship and there was a lot of emotion centred around Marino's death and the title being decided. Gaetano was a French worker who often worked the summer German tournaments and I thought Walton did him a disservice by questioning his wrestling a bit, but Walton seemed to do that with guys he didn't have a handle on. The matwork wasn't all that great in this, but the stand-up action was good and it basically hit enough right notes to be a satisfying bout. After the match, Marino's widow and an old-time referee came to the ring to present flowers and Marino's belt to the victor and there were a few speeches. Walton was a pro and let the audience at home soak in the moment instead of speaking. Gaetano couldn't speak English very well, but he gave a speech anyway after the presentations. Very similar to the Joshi retirement ceremonies in terms of impact.
  9. I thought the Bridges match was big and dopey and fun the same way a Rayo/Caras match is fun. Can't see why anyone would hate it.
  10. I haven't watched all that many Nagasaki matches, not because he was an awful worker (he was passable), but because he usually didn't wrestle guys I'm interested in seeing. I'll see what I can scrape up for you. EDIT: For some reason, a lot of his stuff has been taken down from YouTube. I'd go with the Wayne Bridges, Lee Bronson, Peter Stewart and Johnny Kincaid bouts from what's available.
  11. Firstly, I'd say that a 12.0% on Sundays outside of prime time was a pretty good television rating. From 7/9/84 to 9/22/86, AJW had a Monday night slot from 19:00-19:30 right at the beginning of prime time. The only other time AJW was shown in prime time was a similar period from 7/15/77 to 9/28/79. Aside from the 1960s matches mentioned, I believe Inoki drew some pretty high 30%+ ratings in the 70s for his proto-MMA fights such as the ones against Ruska. I think it was the consistency of the Friday night ratings for World Pro Wrestling along with the fact it went toe-to-toe with the police drama Taiyō ni Hoero!, which did some monster ratings in the late 70s, that made it more impressive than some of the one-off fights mentioned. It's difficult to compare them to Hogan because Japan already had its Hogan in Inoki. There's no easy US equivalent for the Crush Girls.
  12. I'm pushed for time, but here's a blog that explains a bit about Japanese television ratings -- http://rz-jocelyn.livejournal.com/27387.html
  13. Dibiase worked face in the UWF towns while they were debuting the Million Dollar Man vignettes. I think he worked one match in Houston against One Man Gang before the first vignette. They later gave a kayfabe reason in Texas for his heel turn saying that he'd inherited a bunch of money from a dead relative.
  14. Dave Finlay vs. Clive Myers (6/13/84) This was every bit as bad as I feared. I think it was made worse for me by the fact that Myers/Grey was the gateway drug for me for British Wrestling and in that match you had Myers as the West Indian guy with all these slick moves and awesome mat tricks and then by the end of the 70s he's cashing in on Bruce Lee's popularity and doing all this martial arts, kung fu fighter bullshit. And then you have Finlay getting more and more heat with Princess Paula while all the while wrestling less and less. This was a 15 round title match and joined about half way through with no score, and not much action either. The only matwork on show here was a wrestler's bridge and the odd submission attempt. It was pathetic when you consider pre-Iron Fist Clive Myers and the funky ass shit he did on the mat. But it as over and the crowd was into it, so much so that I actually wondered if it was really a type of new workrate approach to British wrestling where instead of the "boring" matwork you got more all-action, Mark Rocco style wrestling, not that I find there to be a lot of action in Finlay's matches while Paula had her hooks in him. There's a chance (a good one probably) that people would like this more than me since the crowd were into it and some people may love Finlay regardless of which era of his work it is, but the lame finish where Myers came off the top rope one too many times confirmed for me how far this was away from the great British wrestling I love. And this was from 1984, too, which is way too early to start sucking.
  15. I really liked both of those Twin Towers/Demolition matches. At least I think I did.
  16. Yeah, check out the 1993 one. Both Inoues had tremendous years in '93.
  17. Hadn't watched this in donkey's years. It really does feel like the perfect middle match between the 3/96 match and a match that never happened, although I must say I liked the clipped version of one of their 1998 matches I saw. The matwork wasn't great here, but New Japan matwork never really is, and I thought Ohtani's acting as a bit iffy in the beginning, but once it got into the section of the match where they start unloading their offense on each other I thought it was a cracking match. Liger reminds me of El Hijo del Santo a lot in that everything he does is excellent but incredibly predictable and it's difficult to really care about him all that much, but Ohtani wasn't ready to step up here and they told that story really well. Ohtani had toned down on the facials here, but I wonder if he had it in him to take this feud to the next level where it was believable that he'd matured enough to beat Liger. I wish the economics of the industry had stayed stable and we could have seen it play out properly.
  18. I think the Crush Girls were a phenomenal success in terms of wrestling but not pop culture. A lot of people like Meltzer and the folks who write online articles or information take facts about the Crush Girls and compare them what they know, i.e. American wrestling and the extend to which its stars have ever been mainstream, but when it comes to Japan they don't have a clue where wrestling fits into the rest of Japanese culture. And people assume things are true. That Wikipedia article on Chigusa Nagayo states that either she or the Crush Girls had several top 10 hits. I've scoured as much Oricon charts details as I can find and there is no evidence to date that any of their songs were in the top 10. They certainly weren't in the 100 best selling singles of any year during the Crush Girls craze. I suppose they may have spent a week or two in the top 10, but I can't find any evidence that their singles ever rose that high. If you want to look at what a pop star could do at the same time as the Crush Girls, Seiko Matsuda, the Queen of the Idols, had something like 24 consecutive number one hits between 1980 and 1988. And the ratings seem big by American standards, but something like Touch, for example, the wonderful baseball anime, consistently drew 30%+ ratings during its peak. The difference between something like Touch and Joshi Puroresu is that Touch had appeal for the whole family whereas the Crush Girls success was essentially a phenomenon among children not unlike the trends we grew up with (Transformers, Cabbage Patch Kids, TMNT, etc.) There is a morning television serial in Japan called Asadora where airs from 8:00-8:15 a.m. The most popular serial of all-time earnt on average a 52.6% rating with a 62/9% rating for its most popular episode, and remember that's at 8 o'clock in the morning and only for fifteen minutes. Considering how big the idol industry is in Japan, I don't think the Crush Girls made a terribly huge number of VHS tapes, albums, etc. They also weren't on the celebrity TV circuit as much as you'd think and after she retired Chigusa couldn't land a TV gig. To me overstating the spread or reach of the Crush Girls would be a bit like a Japanese fan claiming that Hogan or Flair were as popular as the most iconic Americans of the 80s.
  19. There was no juniors division to dominate.
  20. For what it's worth, I tend to think the Crush Girls cultural phenomenon is overstated. The Crush Girls were extremely popular in terms of female athletes but their popularity didn't compare to mainstream actresses, singers and idols of the day. In all honesty, they would probably rank below the more significant television prime time animes and popular mangas of the day which had wider audiences. They certainly weren't on the level of pop stars. Their success was good enough to get AJW a good time slot on Saturdays and they pushed a lot of merchandise and sold a lot of tickets but they weren't these huge crossover mainstream stars that they're sometimes portrayed as.
  21. New Japan drew 20%+ ratings on Friday nights during the Tiger Mask craze.
  22. Japan has cable television, but the overall penetration of pay TV is small. All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling's numbers were high but it was quite common for popular shows to do those sort of numbers and even higher.
  23. Yeah, that period from 1986 until 1996 when he shows up in WCW is baffling.
  24. Apparently, Finlay doesn't have his own topic yet. I'm going to concentrate on his European footage, but add whatever you like people. Dave Finlay vs. Chic Cullen (12/7/83) This aired on December 31st and was the last WoS match shown in 1983. That was neat of the promoters to let Finlay see out the year given how busy he'd been in 1983, appearing 11 times on television on 10 different shows. Such a large number of television appearances ought to give you an indication of how successful Finlay was early in his career. He really was fantastic from 1981-83. Then, somewhere along the way, he met Paula. This was right at the beginning of their relationship. Finlay was already donning his signature white and green tights, but his hair as still short and Paula hadn't become overbearing yet. I've been kind of down on Cullen lately, but after a tepid beginning to this match where Finlay seemed like another worker that Cullen didn't match up with particularly well, the match suddenly got really good as Cullen pulled finger and looked like the worker that was so good against Rocky Moran and other heels. You can always tell when Walton was legitimately excited and this was one of this occasions. He actually described Cullen as not being in the match to cover for the slowness of the early action and then put over Cullen's flurry of action big time. It was a good read of the match, I thought. Would have liked to have seen the whole thing to get a better feel for the flow, but this was the Finlay that I like. I have some footage of his rivalry with Clive Myers coming up and that will be interesting as I hate Iron Fist era Clive Myers and it's right in the middle of the Princess Paula phase. I'm intrigued by what they'll deliver and how I'll react.
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