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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
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A lot of these names deserve a nomination. I don't know if anyone would vote for them, but it shows that 70s/80s Joshi, European wrestling, old-school territories and lucha remain weak points in the list.
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I finished Tomb of Dracula Magazine, which ran for six issues. There was no reason for them to resurrect Dracula for this series. At first it seemed like the magazine would continue on from where the monthly series left off, but then Wolfman left, and it became more of a Dracula anthology series (something they could have easily done without resurrecting the character.) Roger McKenzie writes some of the stories, and the last issue is penned by none other than "James" Shooter himself. As with the other Marvel black and white mags, the highlight is the gorgeous artwork from the likes of Colon and Buscema. There's even a quirky Ditko story, whose Dracula has a passing resemblance to Dr. Strange. Tomb of Dracula is one of my favorite Marvel comics from the 70s, and I was surprised to learn that the magazine came out only a month after the regular series ended. Instead of being excited about more Dracula stories, I found the magazine largely unnecessary and not worth reading even if you're a fan of Tomb of Dracula. Another comic I want to talk about is Mister X. This comic completely fell off a cliff once the Hernandez Brothers left. I have never read a comic of this ilk (touted indy comic) that crash dived so quickly after such a promising start. There may have been a few that were cancelled, but never one that crashed and burned like Mister X. Others may not agree, but I was shocked. I ended up re-reading Concrete: Think Like a Mountain. This was the mini-series where Concrete got involved in an eco-war. I believe it was also a time when Chadwick got heavily into the environmental movement. In terms of Chadwick's craftsmanship, his work was starting to reach new peaks, but the story kept bugging me. Then it kept bugging me that the story was bugging me, like I must be some kind of anti-environmentalist if the story bothers me, or that Chadwick was telling me things I didn't want to hear. I still haven't figured out what to make of it.
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Dusty Rhodes vs. Ernie Ladd (July 15th, 1977) (Championship Wrestling From Florida) -- cool footage of the crowd gathering outside the Tallahassee Sports Stadium. The work here is pretty decent all things considered. Ladd does a good job of bumping for a man his size, and the two go back and forth the way you'd expect them to in front of a hot crowd. Shitty Florida finish. Decent footage. Lumberjack Match! Rocky Johnson vs. Bob Roop (July 22nd, 1975) (Championship Wrestling From Florida) -- this continued the wars between Rocky Johnson and Bob Roop and Killer Karl Krupp and Cyclon Negro. OK footage. Dusty Rhodes vs. Killer Karl Kox (July 25th, 1978) (Championship Wrestling From Florida) -- Dusty has brought Wahoo McDaniel into the territory to put an end to these 2 on 1, and 3 on 1, beatings he keeps receiving. He commentates over some house show footage of Wahoo coming to his aid against Killer Karl Fox and Buddy Wolfe. Killer Karl Kox was such a fun worker. I love his wobbly leg selling after he takes a beating. Decent footage. N.W.A. Women's World Tag Team Title! Leilani Kai & Judy Martin (c) vs. Joyce Grable & Vicki Williams -- this looked pretty good, but unfortunately it was shot from a low angle at ringside, so it was a bit jarring at times (especially the edits.) OK footage. G Southern Heavyweight Title Match: Dusty Rhodes (c) vs. Thunderbolt Patterson (October 2nd, 1973) -- Dusty was a really fun heel. He begs off and stooges with the same aplomb as his stylin' and profilin'. Really cool dynamic here with Thunderbolt's headbutt being treated as a potent weapon. Good footage.
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Billy Goelz and other 50s finds
ohtani's jacket replied to ohtani's jacket's topic in The Microscope
World's Championship Womens Wrestling 1938. Clara Mortensen vs. Rita Martinez. This was really good. These Golden Age women really knew how to grapple, and they could fight too. They were right up in each other's grill the entire bout and worked that technical brawling style I'm so fond of. The commentary belittled the wrestlers, but the in-ring action made them look like stars. -
Billy Goelz and other 50s finds
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Vic Christy vs Hans Schnabel and Don Arnold vs. Jimmy Lott -- this footage was a bit weird as the video said it was Red Berry & Tony Morelli vs the Becker Brothers, but it ended up being the two singles matches. And weirder still, the footage was spliced together so it kept switching between the two bouts. We actually have one other Christy vs. Schnabel match on tape. Watching Schnabel this time, I was struck by how good he was as brawling 50s heel. I don't think I've ever dug him as much as I did here. I don't know if that's because Christy is a good foil, or because he's working Los Angeles instead of Chicago, but he got over with me. Arnold vs. Lott is the better match -- more of a fired up, aggravated, technical bout -- but Schnabel stood out as giving the best performance. Despite the odd splicing, this is another example of why Los Angeles was such an exciting territory. Plenty of rhubarb in Los Angeles, that's for sure. -
El Satanico/Pirata Morgan/MS-1 vs. Pierroth Jr./Jaque Mate/Masakre (2/21/92) This was even better than the first match. This was the match that set up Pirata vs. Masakre, and it was beautifully done as Satanico and MS-1 did a fucking number on Pierroth ad Jaque Mate, which left Masakre all alone. The Infernales were so good. They're easily the best trio I've seen. I'm not gonna say they're the greatest trio of all-time because they may be some historical acts that were better, but they're definitely the best trio from the TV era. They have no weakness. All three guys can be the lead guy, and when one guy is playing the lead (like Pirata does here), but other two still manage to give brilliant and compelling performances. Satanico is absolutely phenomenal here trying to unmask both Jaque Mate and Pierroth. Luchadores trying to unmask each other can be boring as shit, but Satanico raises it to an art form. MS-1 isn't as flashy as his partners, but he's brilliant in the heavyweight enforcer role, and I love his boxing spots. But the biggest revelation is Morgan. What the fuck happened to Pirata Morgan? Here he is in February 92 every bit as good as Dandy, Casas, or Satanico. He should have continued in this vein for at least another half a dozen years. Instead, he fell off a cliff. I guess it's all downhill from here for MS-1 too. Who would have thought that would happen with these hot ass matches? Interestingly, Los Intocables barely fire a shot over the course of two weeks, but the matches are still entertaining as hell. I don't remember the Pirata/Masakre match being a classic, but now I'm interested in revisiting it, which clearly makes these matches a success.
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2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
ohtani's jacket replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
For the record, I’m not against Okada being in the HOF. I just think being close to a unanimous pick is overstating his place in history. Unless I’m reading it wrong and he was supposed to be a unanimous pick based on the ballot. -
2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
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I know who Post Malone and Ariana Grande are because I hear their music in my every day life, and I hear people talking about them. Japan is a country that still uses a lot of print media, still has print advertising everywhere, and still has a huge nefwork television influence. It's great that New Japan is doing well with social media, but that doesn't mean it's having a real world effect. -
Rene Ben Chemoul & Gilbert Cesca vs. Pierre Lagache & M'Boaba (aired 10/3/65) Bob Elandon was good enough that he didn't have to do the M'Boaba gimmick, but I guess someone thought there was money in it, or thought there was money in other guys doing similar gimmicks like The Wildman of Borneo and Masambula. To me, the worst part of the gimmick, aside from the fact that it was clearly racist, is that it reduced Elandon to being a generic heel brawler devoid of any of the flair of French catch. I didn't have a problem with the crowd getting behind the babyfaces. I'm sure there was a racial element to it, but the heels did cheat and they did give Ben Chemoul an illegal working over. We've see French crowds get triggered by heel performance before, so I don't think there was anything untoward about the Cirque d'Hiver getting so animated (especially when they kept cutting to the same couple of fans.) The commentary was bad, for sure, but the in-ring stuff wasn't outrageous. I would have been more disturbed if Ben Chemoul had spent the entire bout being a smartarsed babyface and making M'Boaba look like a dumb savage. The most intriguing thing about the bout was how Lagache kept plugging away and doing his thing. He ended up getting some decent heel heat, as well, which is another thing that suggests that this wasn't entirely racial.
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I finished a few miniseries. I Can't Believe It's Not the Justice League is the final Giffen/DeMatteis/Maguire JLI miniseries. Lots of banter. The plot is secondary but there is some emotional growth to the characters (I imagine it was strictly limited to the Giffen/DeMatteis Bwahaha-universe, however.) Maguire's art is as good as ever. Jonah Hex: Two-Gun Mojo wasn't the Michael Fleisher Jonah that I know, and the supernatural bent wasn't handled the way I expected, but Truman's art was nice. Jonah looked too much like Grimjack though. Sword of the Atom was decent. It felt like a pitch for an ongoing series. Not sure it would've had the legs for that, but as an experiment in turning Atom into a sword and sorcery title, it was pretty cool. I was surprised by how quickly things turned sour between Palmer and his wife. It happens only a few pages in, and it's pretty ugly. Gorgeous art by Kane. I was impressed at the effort Strnad & Kane went to to describe the physical effects of the Atom shrinking. That was really cool.
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That ends my look at Casas' '95. I wouldn't call it a great year for Casas. He has some good stuff leading up to the Anniversary Show match with Santo, and a few good performances in random trios matches here and there, but he suffers from the usual CMLL problems of long stretches where he's either either off TV or not being utilized enough. He didn't get to do much as a tecnico, but they at least had the good sense to turn him rudo during the Santo program. 1995 is not really a great year for CMLL in general, so I would put it down to a general malaise than any failing on Casas' part. For my next project, I'm going to watch Los Infernales matches, and whatever else takes my fancy. Los Infernales: El Satanico/MS1/Pirata Morgan vs. Los Intocables: Pierroth Jr./Jaque Mate/Masakre (Arena Mexico, 2/14/1992) The Infernales/Intocables matches were so great. They were supposed to build to the Pirata vs. Masakre hair match, but we all know they were really about the Infernales vs. Pierroth. Pierroth in 1992 is one of my favorite all-time runs by a luchador. He rules the roost in 1992 as far as I'm concerned. I love how each of the Infernales is so good that they don't need a clear leader. Instead, they take turns dishing out the punishment. All three guys looked great in this, and the heat was tremendous. Pirata still looked like one of the best workers in the world here. How did it all go downhill so quickly? They should have never jumped to AAA, even if it did give us the Satanico vs. Pirata hair match. This was a smartly worked bout. They give us just enough to violence to warrant a return match, but it's mostly ego driven. Satanico is phenomenal, especially with his caged animal selling. MS-1 looms large throughout. Los Intocables actually don't seem like much of a match for the Infernales, but Masakre is a former Infernal so there's heat there, and I'm sure the Intocables will get some of their own back in the rematch. I absolutely adore this type of lucha.
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2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
ohtani's jacket replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
I've been in Japan throughout the period we're talking about. I'm not glued to the TV every night, I'll admit, but I still find it hard to see the footprint you're talking about. I'm sure you can find it if you look for it, but it isn't an inescapable presence in daily life. Apparently, Bushiroad took New Japan out of insolvency and is generating more revenue than the late 90s, though where these revenue streams come from, I'm not sure, as live attendance still isn't as high as it was in the 90s. Clearly the management has been good, and it was wrong of me to say that business is mediocre. I still think it's crazy that he got close to a unanimous vote, but I guess the success that New Japan has had in the 2010s is important to voters. -
2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
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I have a hard time believing that is true, but I'll take their word for it and dial back the rhetoric. -
A lot of it has to do with the audiences they performed for. I don't think ROH fans, or modern WWE and AEW fans are quite the same as Japanese salarymen.
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2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
ohtani's jacket replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
Imagine if we had footage from the 50s, 60s and 70s? When most people think about Portland, they think of Buddy Rose, but there were plenty of other great runs as well. It's time to champion the small-to-mid market, regional successes in wrestling. Enough of this papered baseball stadium attendance figure crap. Don Owen did more for the Northwest and the Portland community than Okada has ever done for Japan. Go the little guy. -
2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
ohtani's jacket replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
I'll take that back then. As far as I recall, the last time Dave was interested in Mexico was when Mistico had his original run in CMLL. -
2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
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This is true, but 90% of the vote? That can only be because of his matches, and the fact that Dave is behind him. The same thing happened with Mistico, who fell one vote short. -
2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
ohtani's jacket replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
Stick him on the ballot. He sounds worthier than some of the names already on there. -
2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
ohtani's jacket replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
Business is mediocre compared to the 90s, and the cultural impact of wrestling is nonexistent compared to the 80s. How did he get in with over 90%? -
2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
ohtani's jacket replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
If they get into the HOF as All-Stars, then yes, more than you'd expect. -
2021 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame
ohtani's jacket replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
Dave's whole mentality seems to be that if you're a ball club that won a whole lot of games and some division tiles, you're not HOF worthy if you didn't win a championship. I get that for the most part, but when you times limited success by 10, or 20, or 30, or 40, that's a long time to be in business. How long do we think NOAH, ROH, TNA or AEW will last?