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  1. Ok, where was my quote from a few days/weeks ago about if you need to only watch good guys in pro-wrestling you basically have to watch David Starr and that's it, so I can edit it ? I guess it was more political than anything, but still, it sure hasn't aged well... With that being said, I can't say that I care too much because I probably have watched about one or two David Starr matches ever, and that's a few years ago, so it's not like I have any kind of connection to this guy (plus the whole "grey rape" issue I won't touch with a ten foot pole anyway). The apology in draft for weeks... yeah, yikes indeed.
  2. Have they tested Flair ? Because, ya know...
  3. The North vs Razcals and Edwards vs Ace Austin were two string TV match this week. Funny bit about "no one watched the North's matches", complete with Matthews talking about maybe they'll be appreciated when they'll be gone from IMPACT. Yeah, they are aware of where they are and that's why they are so good. The North could honestly go straight to AEW and be up there with their best teams. And they have done a masterful job with Ace Austin, who could win the world title and I would not blink. Probably a much better choice than Elgin too, who remains wooden as fuck as a character. They sure have a whole lot of fun with the teasing of who's gonna show up, with direct hints of EC3 this week, subtle hints at Mike & Maria too. Now they have changed the video, with the announcement of a "former world champion" showing up. Sure, they showed people who aren't gonna be there like Sting, Angle and Bully Ray, but also have added Chris Sabin, Austin Aries (who's been done with MLW after a few weeks only last year, surprise surprise) and two interesting ones : Lio Rush and a Canadian flag (which does not represent Eric Young, who's showed already by himself, but has to be someone who hasn't work in IMPACT before). (Drake Maverick doesn't appear anymore, obviously) This is fun.
  4. No. And really, all I saw was a bunch of Twitter "back then she said". May very well be true, but in the meantime : The same thing, allegedly. Wait, no, not allegedly in her case, I believe there's an actual police report because she said that to a police officer, if I remember correctly. And now one cares. So there... Both are dating mexicans, so it's ok... Not "grand scheme of things", but they don't need to (and they never have been their anyway, although everytime a major guy from TNA showed up on NXT or WWE, he got the major pop because hardcore fans know about them). Their product is relevant to pro-wrestling in 2020. Ortiz & Santana came to AEW right off their great stint in IMPACT. Brian Cage came to AEW right off his main event run in IMPACT, and has been put straight into a world title spot because people know he can carry that kind of spot (he wasn't quite there in Lucha Underground). People have signed with them *during the pandemic*, which means they actually give workers JOBS during a time you barely could work elsewhere. They have the more complete women's division this side of WWE. So yeah. On their very small, under-the-radar scale, they are way more relevant to the pro-wrestling industry than a wide number of idiot sycophants jerking off listening to an old out of touch man hate watching a product he doesn't understand anymore.
  5. I though you were totally joking. Yeah.It's AJ.
  6. If you're talking about actual registered sources, you've got the wrong person, that would be Charlotte Flair. So, wrong company too.
  7. Oh man.. Of course they would. Why not. It's both peak pro-wrestling douchiness but typical Twitter-generation douchiness too, really.
  8. Odd. On the last BTE, you have both the Bucks at the last taping showing the two colored bracelets they get, one for COVID testing, one for temperature. That's what they say. Those bracelets have been visible for weeks.
  9. By "non-employees", do they mean pro-wrestlers ? Because they are independent contractors, ya know, not employee... Funny shit though. Has Bischoff really got fired ? Sounds like WCW management of crisis to me...
  10. Of course. One of the best manager ever (#1 or #2 with Heenan). One of the best promo ever (to this day). Interesting promoter. Was instrumental in training/building the last batch of stars the WWE ever produced in the early 00's (Cena, Batista, Lesnar...). Great historian too. I can see your point although I don't agree on the "relevancy" point, but like you said, I think we have a semantic disagreement here too. Maybe part of why I find this so pathetic is that if he had a more open mind, we could see Jim Cornette managing FTR in AEW and cutting awesome promos and get more heel heat than he ever got before. And have fun doing it. And all would be the best in all of the best possible pro-wrestling world, as I had been a Corny fan forever until, well, the last few months, where he got totally out of reach of being defensible for me.
  11. Except "nobody watches" is just wrong. And yeah, IMPACT is an actual pro-wrestling promotion who does employ people and allows them to make a living and improve. Hell, they fucking SIGNED people during the pandemic. I guess some people are really dumb wanting to work for a promotion no one watches instead of doing hate-watch podcast... Meanwhile, Cornette may draw an audience, but that audience is irrelevant to current pro-wrestling. Corny : "Omega and the Bucks suck !" Audience : "Yeah they suck !" Current pro-wrestling scene : "Don't watch it then." Corny & audience "BUT THEY SUCK !" Current pro-wrestling scene : "So don't watch it." Corny : "Yes ! Because it sucks ! Listen to my podcast !" Audience "YES ! They suck !" Current pro-wrestling scene : "So why bother watching it ?" Corny & audience "BECAUSE THEY SUCK !" Current pro-wrestling scene :"Ok. We have a show to put on." Corny : "YEAH ! And I'll watch it and tell people it SUCKS because Omega & the Bucks are killing the business !" Audience "YEAH ! We'll listen tell us it sucks !" Current pro-wrestling scene : "Ok. Do whatever you have to do." Corny : "No really YOU SUCK CURRENT PRO-WRESTLING ! I HATE WATCHING IT !" Audience "Yeah ! Can't wait until Corny reviews the next show because it sucks and it's killing the business !" Current pro-wrestling scene : "You're hurting yourselves..." Corny "NO ! YOU'RE KILLING THE BUSINESS ! I won't watch you again !" Audience "YEAH ! Tell us you won't watch again ! Because it SUCKS !" Current pro-wrestling scene : "Ok, cool." Corny : "BUT YOU STILL SUCK ! I'll watch one last show because you really suck !" Audience : "YEAH IT DOES ! Current pro-wrestling sucks !" Relevancy...
  12. Yeah, I understood what he said a bit later, but wasn't gonna edit my post. Ok, I got it. But the sentence as it was first struck me as random as fuck and quite amusing. "CM Punk, SAmoe Joe, Arcade Fire, same thing" ! Yeah, I know, but I always found that analogy kinda simplistic. Also it was funny to me that the supposed "cutting-edge" promotion in term of pop-culture reference has a "grunge" looking-like character debut in... 1995 (same yeah WWF debuted Rad Radford BTW).
  13. Yes. Because relevance has nothing to do with numbers. For instance, IMPACT probably has the second best woman's roster on the american market today. They get the most out of their roster, in a way that is modern and current. They are employing people, workers there get the opportunity to work, refresh themselves, be creative and improve. Taya Walkyrie coming off her stint in IMPACT is ten times better than she was 5 years before. Tessa Blanchard has demonstrated there how great a worker she is and that she could have great intergender matches. Etc etc.. Yes, they are relevant in today's pro-wrestling landscape. Niche, under the radar, but relevant, yes. FTR were on Jericho's podcast weeks ago. Corny only gets them when they showed up in the promotion he hates watch. I was a fan of Cornette forever and have defended him for years when it wasn't "fashionable". The fact I like him or not in this argument is, well, irrelevant. We're talking about his though process and what he is doing today. Which, is, by all means, totally irrelevant to the current pro-wrestling landscape. Case in point, a large part of his audience, the new part at least, is exactly what ? People who don't watch or hate watch (the stupidest thing ever BTW) pro-wrestling in 2020. So yeah. IRRELEVANCE. Negative feelings and emotions are always more easier to channel. And they don't take much thought either. But yeah, it's incredible to me too, although I'm partly responsible by taking part in the same argument over and over again. Yeah. Corny has become a troll. He's Trump, right. And that's sad.
  14. I understand that. But like I said, that does not mean what Corny has to say is relevant to how things actually work in 2020. I took the exemple of the guys who say hip-hop is not real music, and there are still people to this day who think that way. Are they relevant to pop music culture ? No. Are they relevant to the pop culture industry ? No. Having people agree with something doesn't make it relevant. To me that's not a good argument to establish the relevance of a thought process. I see your point. We just don't have the same understanding of the term then. And to be clear, the fact Corny doesn't work in a pro-wrestling company is not why he isn't relevant to me. I was thinking about Prichard and people have already mentioned him, but there's a real question about whether Brucie is relevant or not in today's landscape. Of course with his status in the biggest company in the world, one might be tempted to say yes, if only because of his power (to say yes to the boss, but still). But really, when you think about it, he probably isn't relevant at all. Don Callis & Scott D'Amore are much more relevant considering the product they are putting out, despite the fact it's under the radar. So it's not really a matter of being inside the industry rather than how they think about it. Of course I was pushing it a bit. Yeah, he's been doing the collectibles for a while now and he was doing well years before he became the official AEW Hater. The fact remains he is doing more buzz now because of it. And yeah, it's kinda funny (especially if you're Omega or the Bucks, because you're making money even for people who hate you, how's that for being draws ?), and yeah it's carny as fuck.
  15. Kinda too late. I guess since AEW did it first they did not want to do it. Speaking of business as usual, what is coming off of the whole Saudi-TV lawsuit really seem to indicate that the situation was really fucked up, like it's been said. It truly is an insane story. Amazed that it had so few repercussions thus far.
  16. Flat earthers youtubers are "relevant" to flat earthers. That doesn't make them relevant to the actual world nor to science.
  17. A live performance edited out of his botched spots isn't the same thing at all as a final product that had retakes edited inside the structure of a match. Edited matches were all over the place in the VHS days (it also made them super tricky to judge back then because you did not know what was edited out). Just like matches joined in progress from NJ and AJ TV, where sometimes you'd juts get the hot work to the finish and did not see what was maybe a super mediocre ten first minutes. The word I was looking for as match as this match goes is "disingenuous". They cut and edited and did retakes to present what "seem to be" a normal pro-wrestling match, with enough obvious fakery (crowd noise and such) to underline the fact it's not. Like I said before, and maybe I'm totally overthinking this and giving waaaaaaaay to much credit to WWE, and maybe it's all Edge & Orton themselves after all, to me this was kind of the point. Hence the whole thing about the Greatest Match Ever. In a way it's actually totally brillant, conceptually speaking, if not exactly pleasing. As far as execution goes, I'll leave you the judges, apparently some thought it was great, some clearly did not.
  18. Except that's totally different. Hell, Edge got injured shooting a "retake". This match is a cinematic match passing itself for a real one, with some meta elements put into it (Finkel's voice, the piped-in chants in an arena devoid of real crowd). So maybe it was great, maybe it wasn't, but it sure wasn't a "real" wrestling match and should not be judged as such. I'd rather have true nonsense, out there cinematic stuff like Taker vs AJ Styles or the Stadium Stampede rather than a fake "great pro-wrestling match". But coming from WWE, the idea of a "pro-wrestling match" being enough in itself for a cinematic version almost reeks of irony, which I guess was also the point.
  19. There's one honest question though. If Jim Cornette had been talking solely about old pro-wrestling history in the last few years, would he have as much downloads ? I have honestly no idea, but I highly doubt it. When he was doing the KC Back to the Territories videos and when his podcast was barely following the modern product a few years ago, apart from a few digs here and there on Trip, he wasn't the talk of the Internet at all. I know because I was a very regular listener. Why he is suddenly so popular with a certain fanbase ? Because he's hate watching AEW and shits on it and gets buzz from it. Let's be honest, Cornette today is a satellite of AEW, not to say a parasite. He knows he gets a lot more buzz and downloads and revenues by saying shit about Omega and the Bucks than if he was just talking about the Portland territory in the late seventies. Without these guys to hate on, Corny is "just" a respected historian and great storyteller and host on KC. Corny knows where his bread is buttered. If he makes more money now than ever before, well, good for him, but he should thanks Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks and Tony Khan then. If they aren't around, Corny has no hype whatsoever. His occasional rants about modern stuff on his podcast didn't get nearly as much hype before AEW existed. He was also an occasional guest on Meltzer's show and it was always really fun and interesting too, because he had not turned himself into a self-parody and talked about the things he loved. Hating on Omega, the Bucks and basically AEW is what sells Corny's podcast today. Talking about AEW is what makes Corny's show relevant to his audience. Hell, he invited FTR on his show... the very week they debut on Dynamite... So, who is relevant today ? AEW. Omega. The Bucks. They have been defining modern pro-wrestling during the last decade, no matter what anyone thinks about them. It's a cold hard fact. They are so relevant that Corny is hanging on to *them* to make "the most money he ever made" (which, if it's true, is a pretty sad state of affair, really, when you consider his HOF run with the MX). Corny by himself isn't relevant because he's not contributing anything positive anymore, he's living off those who are by doing what people do today, being a hater (and at times, a carny hater as showed by the Callihan debacle). He's the guy who says techno and hip-hop aren't real music because "they don't play real instrument". He's the guy who moans after the "good old days". He's the old man yelling at clouds. The fact his yelling at the clouds makes him money doesn't mean he's relevant in any shape or form. He probably could if he had an open mind, but sadly, thats ship is gone.
  20. If this week's show was any indication, this next set of tapings leading to Slammiversary are gonna be quite fun, with most of the roster back (apart from Tessa & Daga, basically, stuck in Mexico). So yeah, IMPACT stays true to logical booking in wrapping up the last few months quite nicely into a 5 way for the world title : Tessa vs Eddie vs Elgin vs Ace vs Trey. Taya vs Grace was a very good main event, these girls really like to stiff each other up. Glad to see them back, and now all leads straight to Grace vs Deonna. Their women's roster is getting ridiculous, really, considering the promotion goes under the radar of most. They could get the women tag team titles back at this point. With also probably Chris Bey vs Willie Mack for the X-div title and maybe a final North vs Rascalz match (I guess some fuckery happens next week), Slammiversary already looks really interesting (and fresh) on paper. And IMPACT always delivers on big shows, so... About some of the fired guys showing up, Rhino made a wink wink ref to Heath Slater and the Flashback of the week was all about Mike & Maria and EC3, so there... I wouldn't be shocked to see Eric Young show up to challenge Moose for the "TNA title" though (not my favourite choice at all, but would make sense considering Eric Young's history with the promotion and him being loony half the time).
  21. FTR, Young Bucks, Page & Omega, Lucha Brothers, Santana & Ortiz... And that's only for the top tier. Then you've got a bunch of good mid-card teams like SCU, Best Friends, Sabian & Havoc, Nightmare Family, Dark Order, Butcher & Blade. Yeah, their tag-team scene is beyond stacked. They almost should run a league like AJ used to do, where they can include their jobbers teams like Avalon & Cutler, 5 & 10 and some guys seen on Dark. Loving the little understated angles like the Allie stuff with QT. Also, Janela & Kiss is quite the intriguing unit. From what he's showed on Dark, Sonny Kiss is improving and hopefully will be ready for Dynamite soon. Some killer outfits too. Speaking of improving, Penelope Ford has overdelivered lately, so it's a clear sign she's also on the right path. I was pleasantly surprised by Cody vs Qen, because I was not expecting anything from a Qen single match. Of course I was quite amused by the fact all of his offensive moves after his comebacks were dives, but hey, it's 2020, plus the guy is still learning. Gotta establish that belt, and that's the way you do it, Arn/Regal style. However, FTR vs Butcher & Blade was exactly as good as I hoped it would be. Damn, FTR just are terrific, especially Dax. There has to be a point they'll get involved with Arn & Tully... Or maybe it's too obvious ? Cabana vs Guevarra was also a super strong TV match. Cabana flirting with the Dark Order is something I guess. The gimmick is what it is (and really at this point, I can agree that despite the twists and turns and cool vignettes, it's still not very compelling at all honestly), but they are quite the assembly of excellent workers. Billy (not Gunn anymore because WWE ain't having this anymore) on TV in 2020... yeah I dunno. And the line about giving his talentless sons a job rings a bit too close to home (as far as total nepotism goes at the very least).
  22. The title almost read like a joke. I had to click on the link to be sure it wasn't some parodic website.
  23. Oh, that's pretty spot on. Which is why when I stumbled back onto some WWE stuff in the mid-00's after really years of not watching at all and I saw this guy, I was like, ok, that's the new WWE style and it sucks. They say the same thing about Kane BTW. That says it all. Of course I don't work with them, I have to watch their boring-ass matches, and that makes all the difference in the world.
  24. Not to mention much less talented. Whatever his beliefs are, AJ Styles is one of the greatest and hardest workers ever (I did not watch all those TNA years for naught). That's easy as shit when you get picked up by WWE because of who your daddy is and get pushed from the get go and for the next 20 years, as opposed to working indies (ROH) and minor leagues (TNA) for most of your career because you're deemed "too small" for the "big leagues" (that's until NJPW finally picks you up). Orton may be the biggest silver spoon fed wrestler ever (especially considering his work ethic). I guess the whole flat-earther thing goes with the territory of being a religious zealot... which AJ Styles is. Which is a bummer, but like it's been said before, if you're looking at pro-wrestlers for intelligent views on the world, well...
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