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No it doesn't.
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Those will probably interest me as well. I remember not being that big of a fan of the Regal vs Sting PPV match in 1996, as to me it was a case of Sting shrugging off Regal's entire stretch of offense in 2 sec from nowhere and taking the match home.
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At this point I'm used to Tony & Bobby, sadly. I'm glad to have Tony/Dusty on Prime. I'm not saying the bump in the barricade would have changed much, but two years prior Sting would have probably launched himself into it with enthousiasm. Orndorff worked obviously harder when he had opponents at the same level on the totem pole, and by 1995 he wasn't as good as he was in 92/93. Here he knows he won't get a strong match and doesn't go the extra mile at all, indeed, but he's still the one putting the match together. Sting just was cruising. I don't know if the fact Hogan showed up and basically relegated him to be "the most popular WCW wrestler" as said by the announcers had a role in it. The timeframe of his demotivation seems to match pretty well (although his matches with Flair in 1994 before Hogan showed up already showed signed of decline in term of work, but maybe it was just the fact of working with Flair that turned back the clock to 1990).
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Another interesting contrast is the Sting vs Paul Orndorff match on 05/20. Orndorff is obviously much lower on the totem pole, and it shows in Sting's work, as he doesn't try to have a strong match at all. Orndorff carries the match and brings the structure and transitions, complete with stalling at the beginning Larry Z. style (in a good way, Orndorff is a master at getting heat for doing nothing, although he doesn't get that much here since it's obvious he has no chance against Sting). As a sign that Sting wasn't working that hard anymore, there's an interesting spot in which Orndorff is trying to launch Sting into the steel barricades at ringside, and Sting won't have none of it, refusing to go for it, and Orndorff basically takes Sting back inside the ring. Orndorff, 46 at the time, worked harder than Sting, who really didn't do much to make the match good.
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Man, DDP almost ran over Bischoff here ! This s legit funny, and Kimberly is very good again. Maxx pulverizing the ball, DDP's outfit, Kim carrying the clubs. Good stuff.
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I thought these two would be Steamboat and Douglas. It's kinda amazing how in those body suits you actually don't recognize the body shape of Hogan and Savage. That is, until they start moving of course. In term of Hogan angle in 95, it's actually pretty decent indeed.
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Why didn't they just put Austin with them and reform the 4 Horsemen at this point ? It would have ruled too much I guess.
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Yeah, what the fuck was that acoustic guitar tune for ? This is where they should have introduced Lanny instead of that awful Renegade gimmick. Randy and him really have the same exact way to say "okay".
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What is the importance of mic work when assessing someone?
El-P replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
This is basically what I think too. I have trouble finding entertainment in characters/angle/promos when I absolutely know beforehand I won't be able to enjoy the match that will derive from them, or if I'm positive nothing in term of actual pro-wrestling match will derive from them. That's why for instance I don't care about some legit funny promos and vignettes by Public Enemy or good intense promos by New Jack in ECW. because I know I won't get my good wrestling out of that eventually. On the other hand, me liking DDP as a worker makes me enjoy his funny little nouveau riche vignettes probbaly more than I should. Like I enjoyed Raven's goofy "rich kid" vignettes because I also enjoy Raven as an in-ring worker. That's also why in the end, as much as I enjoyed SMW TV, I have a little frustration about it because of teh lack of actual good competitive wrestling match on it, especially from 94 and on, and the fact it's such a promo and angle driven promotion without always being able to watch the actual matches (or watch them in poor conditions). I love promos and angles, but I don't love them as much when they are disconnected from the matches, and I feel a disapointment when the match don't resonnate as well as the promos that have been building it (for instance, the Jake vs DWB matches in SMW have been really disapointing to me, even more considering the awesome mic work those two delivered at the time). -
[1990-08-18-WWF-Superstars] Brother Love: Earthquake, Jimmy Hart & Dino Bravo
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1990
Agreed. As great as he used to do in Memphis, his entire post-Memphis career is irrelevant at best and really bad and annoying at worst. Hart was basically a stooge in both WWF and WCW. -
[1990-09-08-NWA-World Championship Wrestling] Music Video: Master Blasters
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1990
And there is the very first appearance of Kevin Nash in WCW. Little did they know. They were pretty awful too, in every aspect. -
I love me some Prime. Dusty's announcing is really funny, laid back and busting out Rhodism left and right. Regularly one or two nice little competitive matches on the show, Schiavone obviously having fun doing it. Yep, This C show works for me. Thus far, and with the benefit of B and C shows (I don't have Main Event for 95 though), WCW TV is better in 1995 that it's been for the last half of 1994, thanks to a more dynamic undercard and random matches far from the awful main event scene (which also had its peak in the first Hogan vs Vader). I actually enjoy Harlem Heat quite a bit as they have improved and having Sherri makes them better (great timing and ridiculous bumps), Booker T works super hard and Stevie Ray is... well, he's still mostly really terrible but at times comically bad which always beats boring and dull with me (I'm looking at you Jimmy Golden). They had a nice little chemistry with Stars & Stripes surprisingly. Arn Anderson as a TV champ as delivered the goods (if you except that stupid boxer vs wrestler match), Johnny B. Badd, Pillman and Alex Wright (although still really green) make a nice little undercard babyface bunch, I enjoy Brad Armstrong & Tim Horner a whole lot whenever they're given a little bit of time and offense. Those DDP and Bluebloods vignettes are pretty entertaining. John Tenta and Big Bubba have been good too, especially Tenta. Butcher is pretty much isolated from the rest of the card, as seems to be Duggan at this point (for now at least). Steve Austin is having good matches on TV too (although it's obvious he would never amount to anything with Hogan in place). Really, I've been able to get quite a bit from WCW TV. Of course Hogan has mostly been a complete disgrace, but Savage was pretty motivated as showed by his matches with Tenta and Arn Anderson. Super low expectation probably helps a bit, but still, not as terrible as I thought it would be, hell I might even say it's actually better than the awfuly boring and bad stretch in mid 93.
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Another pretty funny vignette from DDP. I did think about Landell when they showed that Mercedes.
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What is the importance of mic work when assessing someone?
El-P replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
Yeah pretty much. A bad crowd makes me hates a crowd though (and it works in both sense, a crowd going crazy for a shit match annoys the hell out of me). That being said, a match that grabs a bad crowd and turn them around is one of the most fun stuff that can happen in the context of a wrestling show. -
[1995-04-15-SMW-TV] Ricky Morton vs Unabomb (Coal Miners Glove)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1995
Yep, this is as old-school as old-school can be. Great execution too. Poor Ricky Morton, everybody wants to kill him. (the slow-mos are pretty awesome because Snow's piledriver is just picture perfect)- 4 replies
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[1995-04-15-SMW-TV] Rock & Roll Express vs Al Snow & Unabomb (Coal Miners Glove)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1995
Jeez, talk about sustained heat ! This is always cool and add to a match greatly. Not that the work here needs anything to look better, as this is better than it has any right to be considered a green Glen Jacobs is involved. Looks like an excellent to great match in edited form, and yeah, this is more a traditionnal southern tag with a gimmick added than anything else, which is also why it's so good. Al Snow finally impresses me from the get go, he's very good as a stooging heel. Morton is still a great worker... Yes he is. One of the most fun SMW match I've seen.- 4 replies
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Takee is totally out of place here. I wouldn't expect the match being too good with Taker, Killer Kyle and Bob involved. Beating down Bob Armstrong is getting old. Ok, I know he's gonna win me back again at some point with some promo, but to me this kind of beatdowns has reached nWo point of repetiveness.
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Maybe I was in a bad mood, maybe some of you took mushrooms, but I don't feel the "great match" vide *at all*. Seriously, for the entire first half I was yawning at my screen at Snow's work which I found pedestrian and devoid of any intensity. Morton was good but I really didn't think much of Snow. Maybe because I thought this was gonna be one of these short TV match and I'm not used to see longer match on SMW TV. Anyway, it did developp into what I'd call a very good match eventually, and I appreciated the fact Snow actually gradually upped his offense. So yeah, very good match in the end, and in the SMW context of the past two years, it's probably one of the strongest TV match they had (although like I said it doesn't mean that much). Best Snow's match ever ? No idea, Snow is a pretty overrated worker to me, so maybe it is, I don't remember being crazy for any of his ECW stuff either. Best Morton performance of the 90's ? No idea, as don't have that many recollection of his single matches (I prefer the 91 Gibson match without a doubt), but it sure showed Morton was still excellent when given the opportunity and the time to be. Al Snow post-match promo was indeed pretty funny. Al was at his best doing stuff like this.
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Blah. ZZZzzz.
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What is the importance of mic work when assessing someone?
El-P replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
Most probably. And bad crowds. And good crowds.