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Well, I did say "blame me for not being a regular watcher" then added than "as a casual viewer, this didn't look good to me, and knowing that it's a signature spot doesn't change the fact it didn't look good to me anyway". If some have trouble understanding, I can't spell it to them better than this. What's hard to understand there, really ? Jeez... Plus it's really a point of detail, it's not like I'm focusing on the punch, the entire segment was awful.

Nevermind...

Like in "not having watch any WWE show in context save for WM and very few occasionnal matches (Punk vs Cena) or RAW in the last 8 years ?" ? Yeah, that's me. I've watched more WWE in context since this year's WM than I have since 1999, and quite frankly I wasn't aware of the fat punch being the ultimate lethal weapon in WWE. Doesn't look great. Not a fan of the killing punch unless you're called Aja Kong and you're twisting the back of your fist blindly into someone's nose.

Brodus Clay is interesting. In my opinion, he is awful, but I have seen the argument that without the dancing gimmick (which I condemned from the get-go) he would have been dead in the water. The gimmick at least makes him memorable. I'm sure it could be a thread all by itself, not just about Brodus, but how a gimmick that is bad can still be better than just being another nameless face in a crowd. Not really a derivative gimmick, which I know we have a topic for (although it is that too). Well, actually it's a pretty derivative gimmick : Flash Funk + Rikishi. Of course both were excellent workers, and Rikishi got over like crazy doing the fat guy dancing routine. But yeah, without the gimmick, Broadus is nothing, as he doesn't seem very good in the ring from the matches I have seen, yet I was interested in watching his PPV match whereas I just ff through half of the card. Agreed. And the act won't get over like Rikishi because what makes the gimmick is everything *around* Broadus Clay, and not the guy himslef. Rikishi made it work, and it could deliver in spades in the ring too. Broadus can't talk, can't work well, doesn't exactly exhudes charisma once the disco ball and the two fine pieces of ass go away so... A good exemple of a guy been given a rather bad (or at least very short on fuel) gimmick and making the aboslute most of it, and more, is Disco Inferno. Again, the guy could work, so that helps a lot, but Disco Inferno looked like a short-lived low-card gimmick, and it's pretty amazing how much the guy got out of it.

No you miss the point. You commented on something not knowing the context. So no its not a stupid statement. Yes it is, because after you pointed to me the fact that the fat punch is actually Big Show's signature finisher, I admited not realizing it and re-phrased my opinion from the point of view of a very casual viewer, which was that it didn't look very good anyway, signature spot or not. Really, Cena had no damage done to him at all during the match, and the fat punch was enough to kill him so John Laurinaitis could get the pin, when 15 minutes of Brock killing Cena was not enough to knock him out for the count. So signature spot or not, it just didn't work for me.

Saying I should hold back on commenting on a WWE PPV because I'm not a regular WWE watcher is a very stupid statement. But I guess you have to bitch about me criticizing WWE even when I do point out that I freaking loved Punk vs Bryan. C'est la vie...

There's nothing I can answer to such a stupid statement so I will indeed hold back on commenting about it. "WWE regular watchers Only"

Yeah, that basicly sums up the Onita style death match philosophy, especially for singles. What they do to fill time changes depending upon the opponent (which is prob why the Hayabusa or Funk matches feel diffrent) but the foundation is all about teasing a handfull of big bumps into the wire/cage and then selling the shit out of them when they do happen. Yep, that's the beauty of Onita. He's all about teasing, milking and selling. 99,99% of the (stupid) people who did "hardcore" never got that and only saw the blood and crazy bumps. Well, there's a reason why Onita made shitload of money doing deathmatches and why he would pack 40.000 people in a stadium despite having no TV and a very light supporting crew (FMW undercards from Onita era weren't exactly setting the world on fire, except the women's interpromotionnal matches). The gore was only a way to operate and not a goal in itself. You can see Onita work the same way against martial artists in the early days of the promotion. Just milking stuff to the max.

Well, blame me for being a non regular watcher. And as a casual fan, it looked stupid as hell to me. A punch ? Really ? And it's not like Big Show throws a Bobby Eaton looking like punch either. The last guy who had a lethal punch was... Johnny B. Badd ? Oh, anyway... Terrible overlong segment. Punk vs Bryan should have gone last. God forbid we make any new legit stars though. Need more Cena vs Big Show on TV... Two thing that bothered me as always with WWE product : the announcing was rotten. Someone should tell them that Stevie Ray was the good announcer, not Booker. And Kevin Dunn's epileptic directing sometimes bothered me during the Punk vs Bryan match. Let me watch the damn wrestling match, you don't need to switch shots every three seconds to hold my attention, retard.

Browsed through the PPV. The Funkasaurus is an intro, and nothing else. The Miz is everything I hate about modern WWE. Shitty match, the best part is watching the dancers at ringside. Cena vs Johnny Ace, talk about draaaaaaaaaaaging a long segment with an obvious finish. Complete crap. Especially since now one punch of the Big Show is more lethal than a 15 minutes ass-beating by Brock Lesnar. Yeah, right. Gotta love the fat mark with the Cena attire at ringside though. It's still real to him damnit. Punk vs Bryan, great fucking match. Not crazy about the ending but it plant the seeds for a rematch, and really, this is easily a MOTYC, and easily the best match I've seen in WWE since... I don't know when. Just great stuff. Amazed that the indy chants have made their way to WWE.

Yeah, they really were the insurance that on any WCW card in 1991 you get some solid little TV matches. It's too bad they were basically nothing but low-midcarders who really didn't went anywhere, but York Foundation = good segments. As a Raven fan, the Nest was much more entertaining than the Flock, but I enjoyed the wink-wink aspect of the Flock too, and loved the Raven vs Saturn feud and payoff in a super match that's one of my favourite of 1998. Varsity Club was cool. Million Dollar Corporation was dull and depressing.

Remember when Nitro went 3 hours ? Bad idea, and that was when wrestling was super hot.

Whenever I hear Hot Stuff, Eddie Gilbert is the first thing that comes into my mind.

I thought that was more a Lemmy homage.

Obviously I didn't get NWA when I was a kid, so I was knew the Demos before and I had no notion thar the Road Warriors even existed. As soon as the LOD popped up, they made the Demos totally irrelevant to me. Doomsday Device, tall jacked up guy throwing jobbers around and doing amazing power moves... There was just no comparison at all.

Watching to Tori shoot interview, and it always amazes me that those guys who came up even late during the last territory days basically knew tons of people before they made it to the big companies. I had no idea that Tori actually worked as a valet in Portland with Scott Levy, and met Roddy Piper there. She came up with Brian Adams, trained under Brad Rheingans. Pretty fascinating when all of a sudden she pops up in WWF in 1999, that she was basically a part of the family long before. Of course the interview doesn't get in detail about Japan, but it's still cool to hear the name Debbie Malenko dropped in a shoot interview. I can forgive her now for her infamous blown plancha, as she had just a few weeks of actual working before she got sent to Japan, first for LLPW then Zenjo. I wish someone knowledgable would dig up an interview with a girl like Reggie Bennett, I'm sure she would have tons of great stories. BTW, Tori looks just fantastic at 46.

By the time the LoD came to Titan, the Demos were not a fresh act anymore. The Road Warriors were making them look old and fat de facto. The fact Bill Eadie got health issue and was replaced by the very green Brian Adams just didn't help their case, hot heels Demos were a thing of the past too. The feud would have been awesome in 1988 or so as far as star power goes.

Agreed, it was decent, and Brian Lee bled buckets, which really brought an old Mid-South feeling to the match. Agreed too. DQ and screw-job in the final of the major tournament. Wrestling the way it used to be and wrestling the way you like it. I also think it's somewhat ironic that Cornette choosed a big blonde guy who couldn't work very well as the ace of his promotion. Meanwhile, Ric Flair and Randy Savage were trading the WWF title and Rick Rude, Vader & Sting were having super matches in WCW.

Welcome to WCW Main Event circa 1990. Wait, Horner would have done the job there. Too short to amount to anything, which is a bit of a waste. Dutch is awesome though.

Nice little TV match, but the Fantastics 2.0 are a far cry from the first version. I always liked Fulton, but Tommy Rogers was the über worker of the team. And Jackie still looks green. No idea if he became anything in the ring either, as I haven't seen their AJ work. I think Jackie worked there for a while, at least until the early 00's.

And there goes down WCW.

Ok. I don't know how people can even sit through RAW. HHH did a great job totally burying Brock. Basically, Brock was a quiter the first time around, then Brock was a quiter in UFC, then Brock is a quiter in WWE again plus he got beat by John Cena already. I think it's truly a great destructive promo. The "burning dollars" pic by Alvarez doesn't seem that terrible now, don't you think ? Oh, and gotta love HHH calling his match with Taker "legitimate" when it was probably the most sitcomish match in WWE history. So, instead of having an ass-kicker murdering people, now we're talking about lawsuits. I agree the "fighter in an entertainment company" is a ridiculous line, but hey, that's Brock's gimmick. It's 2012 and people are still chanting "What ?" ? This is the most annoying thing ever and turns everything into a joke. The Big Show segment just went forever, and Show is officialy the biggest pussy in the history of our sport. That angle worked in 1996 with Randy Anderson, and even him didn't get to look like such a total bitch, depsite being a referee with cancer and bringing his kids with him. Yes, it got Laurinaitis great heel heat, but so what ? Laurinaitis sucks, it's unbearable to have a show basically built around him. And Cena. Oh, Cena... Can anyone still defend the finish at the last PPV at this point ? Cena is just fine. Brock is so dead already, and I don't think I'll be able to keep watching RAW (in FF mind you) because I basically don't care at all anymore. Didn't take long.

Yep, I think it's the right time to drop that infamous Konnan quote...

Am I crazy or does Dr. Tom sound a bit like Roddy Piper ?

Sounds like a good candidate indeed.