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    He was also booking during 96 and 97. Word. It's funny Sullivan still gets shit for 2000 while everyone still tend to forget Sullivan booked the best Nitro years ever. I guess it's a syndrome of "oh, the Radicalz left because of Sullivan", which is something I never got anyway. Who pushed Dean and Eddie with titles reigns galore in 96-97 ? Who made Chris Benoit look like a star while he was having an affair with his own wife ? I mean, when did Sullivan tried to bury Benoit, Eddie or Dean at any point ? He's the one who pushed them and made strong undercard figure, and even a little more than this with Benoit. The Radz freakout out when Sullivan got the book back because of Benoit & Nancy, but in reality I don't believe Sulli would have buried any of them, he's too smart for that. Then when they left he found a depleted company robbed of its two best workers and the rest of it was turned into a freak show by months of Russo booking. Not easy to follow through when you're burned out anyway. Yes, Sullivan also did book some shitty stuff, but he also had to deal with Bischoff getting ear-fucked by Nash & co and Hogan being a bitch with his creative control power. With WCW in 96/97, Sullivan can be credited for booking the hottest period ever in the company and the basis of one of the hottest period in wrestling. Everyone gets burned out after a while, by 1998 Sullivan wasn't so good anymore and the inmates run the asylum at this point.
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    Russo. Killed WCW. Made TNA unwatchable for a good while. Was a small part in WWF's success, and it would be good to remember that the product became ten times better when he left after a godawful 1999 (until the Invasion angle of course, which is the lowest of the low in term of booking). At least Ole's summer of boredom in 1990 had Dutch Mantell on WCW TV working competitive matches. Some hardcore Russo fan are still defending him though : cf Youshoot with Russo which is a total waste of time and a pile of the usual bullshit to the sound of a few marks clapping for every retarded statement the guy makes.
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    Ross was in a strange mood during all this show, plugging his hotline all the time, and being a chill basically. I wonder when this match was taped because Steamboat had a tag belt in hands while at this time Arn & Eaton were the champs. Ah, good old TV tapings with championship issues. Really good TV match, Steamboat is on fire and you see Austin learning from him. I must admit that sometime the übertheatrical selling from Steamboat kinda bothers me a bit when he's selling a simple shot like he's being tortured. It's like he's selling like a heel, going overboard for comical fashion (like Rude would do with the atomic drop), only he's a face. I dunno, sometime I can't help but think about what HTM said about him, that he sold a punch like he'd been shot. But hey, he was still one of the best worker in the world in 1992 no matter what. The Madusa spots are fun, and for once she's not wearing a ridiculous outfit.
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    In hindsight, that was probably more damaging than beating Goldberg. Not that Austin would have became Stone Cold in WCW, but what if he never left for WWF ?.... The 80's circus running wild on WCW really damaged the promotion to its core.
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    Did I mentioned how much I love Woman from this era ?
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    The most epic without a doubt.
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    You win, FLIK loses. That was the entire point of my post. Yeah, from memory this is pretty much the same kind of match they had in the Egg Dome, and the Dome match looked medocre in this setting. And Bull had the Orient Express music. Damn.
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    Worst than the limo driver ? Worst than Koko B. Ware ? I mean, Lanny did work a match with Hulk on SNME at least. That's more than Koko ever did. The HoF is bullshit anyway, but objectively Lanny isn't any worse than some of them already in it.
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    Totally disagree. The Steiners *are* spot monkeys. They throw people around with no rhyme or reason, they have no idea how to build or structure a match at all, they just throw huge spots left and right, which is fun to see since they have so many but doesn't amount to much. Their matches can be fun spectacle but more often than not they need someone to structure the match for them. This is an exemple of the Steiners being complete spot monkeys as Rick goes into his finisher 2 minutes in, and Sting has to kick out and no-sell it because it's the beginning of the match, and it's a go-go-go match anyway. So yeah, it's a rather fun spotfest because there are some great bombs, Rick blocking Muta in mid-air into a german is awesome. The finish sucks though, very confusing.
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    Choshu killing Fuji at the end of the match never gets old. Good match, but not a great Dome spectacle. Fuji was a shadow of his former self by this point.
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    Fuzzy on the time line. Was this pre or post nose job? I never noticed the nose job...
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    Bruce always came off like a total douche. Great way to put Davey Boy back into the mix.
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    Between this and the 6 tag just before, WCW suddenly looks like the greatest US promotion ever.
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    Van Hammer was bad. Cactus was insane. Missy was hot as hell. Infamous match which looked 6 years before his time, as this kind of stuff would become weekly features during the Attitude eras. So yeah, the novelty is gone, but to me it still works, and it remains Van Hammer's best match I would guess. (ah, humiliating a good looking woman never gets old on good ole rassling shows... yeah, that was a shitty thing to do)
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    Bagwell was green as hell but he had potential. All the other three were there to *work* and make the best out of random pairings. A little sad the York Foundation is no more though. Good and fun match.
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    Godawful segment. Embarrassing stuff. Remember when the Freebirds were cool ? Long time ago.
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    yes ! Ventura is in the place ! The announcing has been pretty dry since Heyman was removed from the position, so Ventura will spice it up. Plus Herd is gone, so WCW looked indeed better all of a sudden. That being said, Luger's promo was as dull and unengaging as he could be at times. I guess since he already was planning to leave he didn't give a shit anymore.
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    Let me disagree. This is exactly the kind of match I would show to argue the Steiners were quite overrated. Yes, there were impressive big spots, especially since both big men can bump, but it's basically a spotfest with no selling, no build, no drama. Vader is overbumping to the point it's nothing special after the third suplex in the same match. Nowhere near as good as the Steiners and Doom beating the shit out of each others in 1990. Really, Terry Taylor & Tracy Smothers vs Brian Pillman & Marcus Bagwell was a much better match than this kind of generic Steiner spotfest.
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    I think I can remember some interview of the Quebecers on the platform by Raymond.
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    I actually enjoyed El Matador's gimmick. It made Tito seemed fresh at the time, I wish he would have been pushed again as he was still one of their best worker.
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    Davey Boy Smith eventually became The British Bulldog when he came back as a single. Jacques Rougeau became just The Mountie (then Jacques, because tag team members never have a last name even though everybody knows who they are). And don't forget the awful Freddie Joe Floyd which was a rib on Brisco, quite humiliating after years of being well known as Tracey Smothers. The Stalker is another historically terrible repackaging, but I think it went the other way around, as they first didn't say his name at all then introduced him as The Stalker Barry Windham since it was obvious, then of course Barry got all Blackjacked up. Barry really never fit in WWF after the US Express deal, he went from bad gimmick to bad gimmicks there. Glad he went back to WCW in 99. I think there's an alternate reality where Patterson talked Vince into using Widowmaker Barry Windham in the Zeus role in 1989 in a King's Court gimmick with Savage, Sherri, and heel Rockers as Sherri's knights. I wish I lived there. Man, I want to live there too !
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    Davey Boy Smith eventually became The British Bulldog when he came back as a single. Jacques Rougeau became just The Mountie (then Jacques, because tag team members never have a last name even though everybody knows who they are). And don't forget the awful Freddie Joe Floyd which was a rib on Brisco, quite humiliating after years of being well known as Tracey Smothers. The Stalker is another historically terrible repackaging, but I think it went the other way around, as they first didn't say his name at all then introduced him as The Stalker Barry Windham since it was obvious, then of course Barry got all Blackjacked up. Barry really never fit in WWF after the US Express deal, he went from bad gimmick to bad gimmicks there. Glad he went back to WCW in 99.
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    Remember Steve Armstrong "repackaged" as Lance Cassidy ?
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    Yes. Really one of the best I've heard. It's too bad he never got to work in WCW during the Nitro days, he probably could have had some good TV stuff. The most infamous "paid to stay at home" WCW contract.
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    Yes and yes. Larry Zbyszko is quite the underrated worker and the "he was all stalling" is overstated. Larry was a very good worker even at this point of his career. Madusa often had the worst fashion sense then. Good TV match, as there are tons of those in late 91/92.
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