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  1. El-P
    In good a wrestling match yes. It was not the case here, they just ignored it. I blame the ref for getting down to count the pinfall attempt the first time. After that big of a fuck up, it was doomed anyway. But they probably should have been smart enough to not go for tons of pinfalls during the first five minutes while Ross and Caudle had to no-sell every attempt of it despite what was clearly happening in the ring. It was embarrassing to watch. Just retarded. Really ? I thought it was pretty sloppy actually, with Rogers not looking good at all. Pillman's dive was the highlight, sure, but apart from that... Terry Taylor vs Arn Anderson on the same show was a super solid match however, and I'm digging the slow Terry Taylor heel turn.
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    First show of 1991. They spend a good amount of time explaining the audience that Brian Pillman would face Rip Rogers in a match where the pinfall don't count during the 5 first minutes. because Rip Rogers is some kind of "marathon man". Well, 5 minutes, some marathon. But anyway. They do a Rogers promo explaining the reason behind the stipulation. The in-ring announcer actually tells it again before the beginning of the match. Match begins, like 30 seconds into it, tackle, Pillman goes for a pin (because it's "reflex") and... the referee gets down and count. Ross & Caudle absolutely no-sell it. And they do multiple pinfall attempts while the timekeeper announces each pasisng minutes during which they are *not supposed to go for pinfalls*. What a bunch of dumbfucks. Pillman, Rogers, and especially the ref Mike Atkins. Shitty match to boot. Man. WCW for you.
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    I never ever watched a Flair match thinking "If he hits a cross-body of a top rope, it's over.". Ever. It's not exactly Misawa's Tiger Driver 91. Really, the spot doesn't go beyond "get on the top, get tossed" line of thinking. Flair really didn't had much of anything in term of "game ender". Even the vaunted figure-four was more than usual reversed by the babyface. Flair really wasn't a "game ender" kinda worker. He was a "dumb bitch stealing victories by cheating" worker. Which made all of his charm too.
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    I actually remember this match and angle quite well, I was just becoming a wrestling fan at the time. And even back then, when I was 14, this made me uncomfortable. Of course I dind't had to listen to Vince's nonsense, but still, the whole angle was embarrassing enough. Actually, this might be the first time ever I was embarrassed to watch wrestling if my parents would be around. On the same topic, just watched a Steiner squash from October 90, with a "lebanese" jobber called Hassan Farruk (what else ?), who they call an "arab" of course, because people from Lebabon are the same thing as people from Irak or Iran, those are all arabs after all. And then after the finish, Ross says that Hassan must be thinking about his former career as a camel driver. Not racist at all...
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    "Souviens-toi du vase de Soisson !" Dumbass Stinger... Does 1990 rings a bell ?
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    Probably one of Foley's best promo ever. All-time classic.
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    The Dean character was just an albatros anyway. A wrestling teacher with a baby blue outfit with cheesy music.
  8. El-P
    The 04/01/96 match was a lot worse.
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    Hum... because he's the leader of the group and Cac is his flunky... Raven said about this interview (I think) that there was no way anyone could follow Cactus so it was useless for him to say anything.
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    I actually thought about that, I know Cornette pushed him pretty hard in Smokey. I was really wondering how that went. Well, I guess he's the kind of guy that would really gain from working under a hood. Give him a character he can work with only via body language, and he'll be fine and no one will see how bland he really is. What ? Star Blazer you say ? Ok, that was a fail.
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    I'm going through some Power Hour of 1990, and damn, Tim Horner is the least charismatic good worker I've ever seen. He makes Dean Malenko looks like Randy Savage. It's too bad, because he's a real good mechanic, much better than pushed guys like Zenk, but he just has zero facial expressions. This guy should have gone in Japan, he would have got through by strictly work.
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    I see your point. Still, I've watched a countless Tommy Rich matches from 89/90 lately, something I wouldn't wish on anyone, and basically, Tommy Rich would always do the token armdrag/armbar/elbow on the arm routine that every babyface of the era would do. In every match, no matter if it was a squash (and Rich's squash matches are the dullest and the most boring you can get) or a competitive match. I always feel he's doing it because that's what a babyface is supposed to do at that time. I don't see any thoughts about it. His finisher (the shittiest Thez press ever) doesn't have anything to do with it. He doesn't work holds worth a damn (contrary to a guy like Arn, whom you felt is trying to hurt his opponent for the sheer fun of it). It doesn't lead to anything in particular and isn't very engaging in any way shape or form. So, how can I call that ? Lazy psych ? Well, it also works with Flair getting thrown from the top. I understand your point, although in both cases, the result is either action packed match with good spots or slower but logical match. In Tommy Rich instance, to pursue with my exemple, I don't see anything but lazy automatic routine babyface stuff which isn't engaging and leads to nothing. When Ricky Morton does it, his execution and quickness make it fun because it's Morton being quicker than his opponent, catching him from every corner and then keeping him down to not get hit. Then doing it again, and throwing variations into the mix. Of course, Morton was a great wrestler while Rich was blah. Yeah, pretty much.
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    You're the only guy who can bring out PP Pasolini in a wrestling discussion. Yeah, Mamma Roma is a great movie, and special to my heart. Odd to read about it from nowhere, on this wrestling board, especially these days for me. Yesterday I saw "A Dangerous Method" by Cronenberg, and C.G. Jung says that he doesn't believe in coincidences. Really odd to hear about Mamma Roma today... Anyway, back to wrestling. At some point (long time ago), I thought too that a guy working on a leg or an arm was sufficient enough to be call psych. I was wrong, of course. Most of "working on a leg/arm" stuff is just spending a little time before the end run, and only in good matches does it play any actual role.
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    Oulette is one of the lost worker of the era. He never got quite the push he should have. And I admit to liking the pirate character.
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    The American Males, stupid gimmick aside, was a pretty good tag team. Bagwell by this point knew the deal after years of working tag matches with Scorp and Patriot. And Riggs always was an underrated worker. I remember this being a pretty good match, especially for HH.
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    Since someone brought up Jake Roberts, there's the most perfect exemple why "psychology" is overrated to some extent. Jake Roberts is supposed to bring this great psychology to his matches. Except, like Dan said in the Tito thread, most Jake matches end up being disapointing. Because Jake just wasn't that good of a worker after all. So, psychology only goes so far, if you don't bring it with some actual work too(and don't give me the argument that psychology = work), matches won't be that good after all. They will surely make sense, but... Anyway, you get the point.
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    It's about as great as Regal's "Man's man" theme.
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    WCW did a great job with Luger at this time. The guy had been damaged quite a lot by his failed WWF stint. And he was hot again.
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    Fuck Mankind. Foley was never as great as here.
  20. El-P
    War Games + Hulkamania = crap.
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    Last time I checked, it was just a *good match*. Which was blah for the big Flair vs Arn match. When I get to 1995, I'll see if I reevaluate. I doubt it, Fall Brawl 95 is a PPV I watched a few times. Now, let John tell us how he feels about it.
  22. El-P
    Last time I watch this I found it was a pretty awful match. Buck & Slater could have good matches, but not against a shitty team like Harlem Heat.
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    Paul was 46 at the time, so it's not like he had much more years to give. Plus the injuries would force him to retire. I don't know where the "poor career" comes from, he got a good stint in WCW after his last comeback I thought, when he was already 43. Pretty Wonderful was an underrated tag team (can't wait to revisit them). His new music theme was glorious though.
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    Really the launch of a new hot era.
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    I guess so too. mid 95 to mid 96 was probably when the Clique was at its worst. Derailing guys like Bam Bam, Candido, Douglas (oh, see the link for what's to come in 98 ?), Shawn not doing job for the IC title while groomed for the WWF title... I didn't think the Bulldog clicked that well as heel back then, and certainly not as a top spot heel.
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