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I actually think they should do Rey vs Henry at EC, or even Rey + Cara vs Henry.

I think Foley would step aside for Bruno, no? He grew up watching New York wrestling in the late 70s and early 80s.

It's not like Lanny didn't wrestle a ton of matches at MSG either.

Honestly? My guess is that he's on the way out and will put over Ryback at Mania. They'll put him over someone at the PPV to build him up and then feed him to Ryback.

When does he start hyping his softball team?

All around I think the answer is yes if we are looking at the last two years or so. I'm not sure anyone is a better promo. No one is a better character. There are one or two guys you argue are better in the ring, but I'm not sure I'd buy it. Who agrees?

So according to Dylan, Henry is the best wrestler on the WWE roster?

Show's had a monster two years, no?

Who on the roster is better than Henry right now? Bryan? Rey? Anyone else?

I wonder if that means Hunter inducts him.

This thing will be archived, right?

How does he compare to HHH?

I think I was mainly focused on crowd reaction, babyface clapping (and the response), and maybe Ace's pluckiness. I think it was worked fairly evenly from a face/heel perspective. I'll give you that me trying to work through that match is a lot like trying to use babelfish to understand an Italian document when you have college level Spanish under your belt. I'm sure some things are getting lost.

Past the heat segment on Misawa, I'd probably call the gaijins the faces in that match, from what I saw. They received the bigger pops at the beginning. And they weren't just clapping like Heenan or Cornette, but the fans were clapping along with them. They were leading the fans in the claps and Hansen and Williams are wildly different characters/personalities than Sherri or Heyman. I can pull out the exact moment where they were desperately reaching if we need to. That's definitely how I took it but I'll admit it might have been a different hold. There are certain other effective ways to work a tag match and even the specific elements of a tag match (such as the hot tag, etc) than the Southern Style. And I admit that I wasn't totally familiar with what I was seeing, but all I could critique the match on was someone with the background that I have, and that's what I did. I thought Chad's response was really helpful in sorting out the subtext that wasn't apparent from the match itself in a vacuum.

Really, the biggest (but not only) Kane fan is gone. And I'm not a Kane fan in the least. I just hate generalized statements and will attack them if I see them and feel they're not accurate, because that's kind of one thing we do here.

This place has been hopping.

I think it's against the Geneva Conventions.

Objectively speaking HHH is a good worker? By what objective metrics? I'm not in the business of lobbying for HTM one way or the other, but I don't think it would be impossible to name several hundred guys I would rate over HHH. 1000 doesn't seem impossible either. If he says it one more time, it'll be three and he'll have to do it or be cursed for seven years. Someone goad him into it.

I'm not doing the legwork. Do people consider Honky to have been a draw as the vulnerable champ for a year and a half, headlining the B Shows? How does that compare to HHH as a draw in the 00s as The Man.

No, that's an interesting thought and one that I never really considered. This match didn't have a face/heel structure, I don't think, or if it did, then I didn't pick up on it well enough. The "heat" segment was with Misawa taking the beating, but the Americans were the ones doing the clapping and also, I think, receiving the most chants, so.. Is it an honor thing? A good morality thing? That you wait as long as you can for your opponent to fight back before you simply can't take it anymore? If that's the case then there should be some sort of cost to giving in and interfering. I'm not sure what that would be, whether it's loss of face or karma or an admission of shame or whatever. I'm not even sure how that would pay off. Does it generally? In southern tags, when you get pissed off enough to interfere anyway, the consequence is immediate and tangible. The ref chastises you and the heels get a chance to illegally double team. Instant karma. Here is it more of a spiritual thing over time?

No he wouldn't. Honky wouldn't struggle at all. He was real good at not struggling.

Alright, you've watched a lot of stuff from Dibiase and from Boss Man. Can we have some comparing, contrasting?

I actually like 1992 Ottman a lot. From an execution standpoint is there anything HHH has ever done better than his big splash.

Sorry, I wasn't implying that you said that. Just that the way he put it there was reasonable enough that in that instance that I wouldn't throw him under the bus for it but I might if he had put it differently.

The only person who came to mind for too many TV matches with little or no quality was Kane. Not saying Kane doesn't have decent TV matches. Saying the ratio isn't good. All the weird creepy Kane fans can let this go or put it in the Kane thread. It is totally unfair that you can get away with saying things like "weird creepy Kane fans" when everyone thinks I'm breathing fire when I am anything less than a perfect gentleman. "Oh, that Will, so funny." "Jeez, why is Loss getting so bent out of shape?" The difference is that he said "Not saying Kane doesn't have decent TV matches. Saying the ratio isn't good." That's a much more measured, reasonable statement. And it's true too.