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The one thing that really is maddening is his bios. He writes like Herodotus. He jumps around like mad with some crazy backwards logic.
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Hercules isn't really that bad. Virgil wasn't any good until late 92 though. He was very good come late 90s Saturday Night Tapings.
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What is the importance of mic work when assessing someone?
Matt D replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
One of the biggest reactions I have heard live was for Ice Train. Dozens if not hundreds of wrestling shows I've attended live and Ice Train got a top ten pop. Just sayin The Cole Twins were frigging over. -
What is the importance of mic work when assessing someone?
Matt D replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
This is pretty much how I feel too for what it's worth. BUT there are people to whom it matters more. -
Not having seen any of this stuff since 93, and even then, having missed a lot of it when it happened, I was under the impression that the whole Lex Express stuff was a terribly thought out, mismanaged, horribly executed, bomb. I know as a kid I didn't get how they expected us to buy that one day he was the Narcissist talking in a funny voice and wearing a cape and having a mirror and the next day he was USA Lex. Actually having watching the TV, I'm not entirely sure how they could have done it better. It was tremendously well done. They really stacked the deck in the favor of the angle and I think they should get a ton of credit for it because it really did have a high level of difficulty That said, obviously they blew the payoff.
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[1993-10-02-WWF-Superstars] Face to Face: Bret Hart and Jerry Lawler
Matt D replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
Fowler debuted at Summerslam. He took over the Survivor Series Center and Event Center stuff after Gene left. He's pretty onerous. I really love Face to Face though. I can't say that enough. One would miss out on a big chunk of 1993 WWF if he just watched the Raws. -
Crush really had a point. Savage didn't come in and save him because he was worried about getting fired for interfering. That he eventually did was heroic. That he took so long to do so was damning. All of this was great, but my favorite thing was probably the calls over the weeks before, where Crush was super uber babyface on the phone with Vince but would shun Savage. I do think they really mismanaged Crush in 93. He was super over at the start of the year but they took him out for months due to Doink, put Doink over at Mania, had a sort of go-nowhere match with Michaels at KOTR, apparently threatened him so he wouldn't go into business for himself on July 4 (which is a great story even if untrue), and then put him out for months to put Yoko over in the lead-in to Summerslam. I'm not sure how much of that was injury, though.
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What is the importance of mic work when assessing someone?
Matt D replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
For instance, I was really impressed in the WWF Rock 'n' Roll Express debut in 1993 how loud a Rock and Roll chant Gibson seemed to be leading the crowd in because it was in Portland, ME, which as far as I know, isn't exactly RnR territory. Now, at the same time, I think it was taped for All American so it was one of the first matches of the night, before the crowd got tired from 2 jobbertastic syndi tapings. BUT I'm only going off Graham's site for match order on the card. For all I know they taped All American between the Superstars tapings really. Etc. -
What is the importance of mic work when assessing someone?
Matt D replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
We could go on for pages about how much crowd response matters, for instance. -
What is the importance of mic work when assessing someone?
Matt D replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
I feel like we've been going all out the last month or two as is. I think we look at things pretty deeply in depth. There's room to look at more, granted. And yeah, it's definitely a normative thing. If we're all talking about one thing, you can introduce another element, certainly, but in doing so, realize that you're introducing another branch of conversation. -
What is the importance of mic work when assessing someone?
Matt D replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
It depends on what sort of argument we're having, really. A GOAT argument is different than a WON HOF argument. A "Who is better" argument can be different than a "Wrestler of the Year" argument. I think that a comparative view of what a wrestler DOES in every match he has is more important than how many Great Matches he has. So that's a difference of opinion of how to judge purely in-ring stuff. You're arguing that we shouldn't be judging purely in-ring stuff as the main point of conversation on the board to begin with when I think a lot of us are most interested in that. You see why it's tough to get traction here? -
It's also comparative. It's not just what they do but what the people directly in competition with them do. Ultimately, though. The issue is this. Not everyone will be equal in every ways and it's in the eye of the beholder what "weighs" more. Some people value certain aspects more than others.
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To me it's the difference between great and greatest of all time. He can do this and still be great and even the greatest at what he did. It's such a high level we're talking about a lot of the time.
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They were pretty good at that with their super monster guys actually. Andre did a big injury angle for Earthquake and Typhoon in 91. Earthquake put over Yoko both in 93 and 94. Yoko put over Vader, and then Vader, on the way out put over Kane.
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[1993-10-16-WWF-Superstars] Update: Survivor Series hype
Matt D replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
I actually think the switch between how the match was initial announced and what it became is one of the better evolutions storywise in WWF history. -
[1993-09-11-WWF-Superstars] Interview: Jerry Lawler
Matt D replied to Loss's topic in September 1993
One thing I hadn't realized at all is that they used Lawler's DQ win at Summerslam to call him the "undisputed King." -
[1993-09-18-WWF-Superstars] Shawn Michaels, Diesel and the 1-2-3 Kid
Matt D replied to Loss's topic in September 1993
They played this out later, but we lost out on at least one probably fancammed Shawn vs Kid match because of the suspension. Since they were moving Perfect over to Diesel in singles matches, I wonder how long they planned on running Kid vs Shawn. Diesel was fine with IRS for a while. -
Things guys that you like do that you hate
Matt D replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
Gravity. -
There are a lot of examples if we just look at WWF, whether it be Funk or Steve Williams, but looking at both of the big 2 makes it harder.
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So really a guy who was on top for a relatively successful territory but hadn't been in WWF or WCW much before 90. Weirdly the first name that came to mind was the Trooper/Patriot but that's not enough of a main eventer.
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this is a weird statement to me. Would John Nord count? Or Keirn as Skinner? Tom Pritchard?
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Would Shawn Michaels Make Your Personal Top 100?
Matt D replied to Dylan Waco's topic in The Microscope
I think Eadie is probably the best guy I've ever seen (fully admitting my massive black holes) at making every single thing he did matter and making his opponent work for every inch while still being absolutely giving in the name of the match. Now that's just one aspect of wrestling, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a guy in the ring who I felt knew what he was doing at every point more than Eadie. He's also hugely versatile. There's such a wide expanse between the Masked Superstar gimmick in Demolition, but as Ax he was able to play his role so well as a monster against smaller faces, as a chickenshit against superstars faces, vulnerable against giant heels, full of righteous fury vs chickenshit heels. And he could still turn it up a notch against the Rockers. And I've written a lot of words about this. Granted, that was a few years ago. Granted, I'm in a slightly different place and have watched a lot of wrestling sense. But i believe it.