Loss Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 Talk about it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2010 This is great! This is the match that anyone should point to whoever wants to make the case for Sean Waltman as a performer. This is also maybe a template for what the WCW cruiserweight style should have been. Now, I think Benoit, Guerrero, Misterio, Juventud, Ultimo, Malenko, etc. didn't really work the same style as Waltman, and they were far better in the ring than he was at this point. But what makes this work is that there's a template here to include as many highspots as you might want to include, but underneath it all, this still has the same basic face/heel template fans are used to in the U.S. The cruisers did get over in WCW, but not really in a way where people were invested in them personally. There are a lot of factors more important than the style that went into that, but this works really well because underneath the flash, there is a really basic layout. It also helped that they were given more time than most of the WCW cruiser matches were given on Nitro at this point. The cruisers usually had about 7 minutes including intros and the post-match promos, and were specifically told not to work holds. So as a result, you weren't really seeing matches most of the time on Nitro, you were seeing showcases. But this match proves it's possible to do both match *and* showcase if you add a little time and give the wrestlers a little more freedom. Yes, I'm making a claim that WWF wrestlers had more freedom than WCW wrestlers with a straight face, but in this particular case, it's true. Both guys have a lot of martial arts offense, so they build the match around that. You could take this same layout and make it a match between a mat wrestler and high flyer, two high flyers, etc. and it would work each time. The WCW cruiserweights surpassed the quality of this match. Many, many times in fact. But aside from a few standouts, few of them had a match structure this good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Watching Nitro sets in 1997 and 1998 alluded to what you are discussing here about match structure with the cruiser weights. I think some people have romanticized that Nitro every week had a 15-20 great junior match and that just simply is not the case. They had a few shining moments, but also had many weeks with 2-3 matches at around 5 minutes each and not much to work with. In many weighs I would say Smackdown this year had as many "showcase" matches as Nitro from say 1997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Nitro cruiser wrestling is comically overrated. Hell from memory my favorite matches involving cruisers from that era were matches with bigs v. littles like Jericho v. Enos or Eddy/Jarrett v. Benoit/McMicahel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB8 Posted December 22, 2010 Report Share Posted December 22, 2010 Yeah, there's an Eddy/Jericho v Faces of Fear match from the Nitro after Superbrawl '97 that is immensely fun, primarily because the cruisers are willing to be tossed around by by guys that are good at tossing you around. I watched a pretty big chunk of a "Best of the WCW Cruiserweights" comp between the time I watched the tag and now, and there wasn't a single thing on it that I thought was better than the tag match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Not 96, but I saw Malenko/Benoit vs Guerrero/Mr. JL from late 95 recently and it wasn't a match at all. It was just a spectacle. In 95 I would have loved it, of course, but it was just frustrating to watch now. Also, I found it really funny for some reason that Colt Cabana didn't know who Sato was when Waltman was trying to explain that Hakushi had a manager during Cabana's podcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted December 23, 2010 Report Share Posted December 23, 2010 Also Malenko/Benoit v. Blue Bloods from 95 is the best Malenko/Benoit tag match I've seen from WCW and that falls under bigs v. litles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted July 6, 2013 Report Share Posted July 6, 2013 I was such a big fan of Hakushi. He’s much better as a heel in WWF though. Kid with the Butterfly Suplex off the top rope for the clean win! Excellent action between the two but I felt like Hakushi could have contributed more to WWF during this era. But Kid looked really good. He needed a longer run in WWF once he turned heel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 We get another Mankind clip first. Foley thinks he's finally found a home--a Hardcore Home. Speaking of Japanese guys the WWF didn't get enough mileage out of as babyfaces, here's Hakushi. There are slow parts here, but this is much better structured than an average cruiserweight spotfest, and this feels more like a shortened and tightened-up version of those Lightning Kid-Jerry Lynn matches from years past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted January 10, 2015 Report Share Posted January 10, 2015 Foley saying hardcore home felt like trolling at its finest. Really good match with Hakushi hanging in there and Kid continuing to look great. A story was carried out here and Kid looks strong heading to the PPV match. **3/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Really good match. The martial arts/striking style of both guys is worked into the match really well, gives it a unique feel and everything executed looks great. And yes, this isn't just a spots but a competitive match that builds as it goes along. Ending was unexpected, but in a good way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawho5 Posted November 4 Report Share Posted November 4 Very cool Raw match that was completely unexpected. I tend to agree that this match has better structure than most WCW cruiserweight matches. In1997/98 I would not have cared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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