Ken Patera

[ohtani's jacket]

Here's the entire 10/21 Yokohama card if it's any use to you:

 

Giant Baba/Jumbo Tsuruta vs. Bobo Brazil/Ken Patera

Great Kojika/Motoshi Okuma vs. Genichiro Tenryu/Rocky Hata

Akihisa Takachiho vs. Wahoo McDaniel

Rocky Tamayo vs. The Destroyer

Jay Youngblood vs. Samson Kutsuwada

Mitsuo Momota vs. Mitsu Hirai

Munenori Higo vs. Mr. Hayashi

Masanobu Fuchi vs. Masao Ito

[ohtani's jacket]

Had a look for '84 results. Could only find two matches that aired on TV then got interrupted by a fairly decent earthquake.

[Dylan Waco]

http://www.puroresu.com/newjapan/results/nj198405iwgp.html

 

This page has his 84 results. He was in for the tourney. He has a couple of non-tourney main event tags, but I don't know if any are in markets/arenas that would merit inclusion for this

[ohtani's jacket]

The biggest markets are the ones he has attendance for plus Osaka, Nagoya and probably Hiroshima and Shizuoka too. All the best main event match-ups appear to be on those cards. Saga is pretty good but not a huge city. Doesn't look like there's anything to help Patera's case.

[DocSarpolis]

1. Very much looking forward to the Patera-Tommy Rich feud being covered on the inevitable Tommy Rich set that I imagine is a few years away, but remains the set that I am most looking forward to.

 

2. http://youtu.be/TkKCqcpAcVQ

...observe 1:20-1:35 mark.

[Dylan Waco]

2. http://youtu.be/TkKCqcpAcVQ

...observe 1:20-1:35 mark.

I am shocked this didn't come up sooner actually.

 

I am going to leave this up here for one more day before I spread the most recent posting around to Classics and the F4W board. If anyone sees anything that needs a correction/clarification let me know.

[Dylan Waco]

Posted the new stuff at Classics. Debating whether or not to post it at the F4W board now or hold off. I really have no clue what forum to put in over at that place.

[Dylan Waco]

Made a minor edit/change to my most recent metric point upping Patera to 199 major market main events total and 100 singles major market main events. Total was upped based on the new Montreal wrestling book. At the end there is a table with the top 50 drawing matches in territory history and the main event that headlined it. Number 43 with an attendance of 16,500 was Andre The Giant v. Ken Patera from 4/11/83. Also worth noting as this period is generally seen as "past his prime" Patera, but here he is still working Andre in the Forum in front of a massive crowd. For the record it was the 15th biggest crowd in Montreal in the 80's and the fourth biggest that wasn't promoted or co-promoted by the WWF.

 

Also after reading Wrestling At The Chase and seeing how often Matysik talks about double or co-main events I am tempted to adjust his St. Louis "main event" numbers but won't for now. Still working on the follow up work which I believe is actually the most compelling piece of his HoF candidacy.

[Dylan Waco]

Over at Classics Dave Meltzer posted this in response to my most recent data dump:

 

Not sure how big a deal that 199 figure is.

 

Chris Harrington complied did main events in WWWF/WWF/WWE alone and non Hall of Famers Strongbow had 638, Putski had 589, Orton had 584, Big Show had 548, Edge had 530, Morales had 513 (and he main evented a lot of places before ever going to WWWF and some after), Batista 496, Kane 490, Valentine 388 and Santana 370.

 

I went to Chris' page but can't find this cumulative main event data. I THINK I saw something he worked up in the Observer recently, but don't recall if this was it or not. I am 100% positive this included ALL MAIN EVENTS worked in the WWF alone which is radically different from major market main events. Not sure if Dave missed that distinction or what, but in any case I'd like to see Chris data on this. Anyone know where I can find it?

[goodhelmet]

Just PM him at DVDVR. Mookieghana.

[shoe]

I think it's actually in today's Observer. The one flaw Dave points out in the data is that who went on last got credited for the main event. Even though from 84 prior the main event went on after intermission. In Houston as late as 89 if we were getting a multiple main event run. The 1st match went on before intermission to set up the big stip match for the next house like a cage, lumber jack etc.

[Dylan Waco]

That's a MASSIVE flaw.

[jdw]

For the WWWF/WWF, it's a massive flaw.

 

I also would be surprised if Chris didn't adjust for it. He's a smart guy, and there's no way if Bruno is defending the WWWF Title while not going on last that Chris wouldn't credit Bruno as the main even.

 

John

[WingedEagle]

I haven't gone back to check but believe when he posted it at DVDVR he acknowledged that he was using the last match as the main event. No adjustments for when the promoted/actual main went on earlier in the card.

[jdw]

Seriously, Chris is too smart to do that. Here's MSG in 1980, for example, with the main events highlighted:

 

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 21, 1980 (20,000+)

Televised on the MSG Network - featured Vince McMahon on commentary

Davey O'Hannon defated Angelo Gomez at 10:21

Rene Goulet defeated Baron Mikel Scicluna at 4:59

Bobby Duncum defeated Mike Masters at 1:29

Kevin Von Erich pinned Johnny Rodz with a bodypress at 8:28 (Von Erich's MSG debut)

Larry Zbyszko defeated Hussein Arab via disqualification at 10:29 when Arab accidentally hit an elbow drop on referee Terry Terranova when Zbyzsko moved out of the way

Hulk Hogan pinned Dominic DeNucci at 7:34 with the legdrop after dropping DeNucci throat-first across the top rope

The Wild Samoans defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Ivan Putski & Tito Santana via count-out at 12:46 after Samoan #2 crotched Santana on the top rope, with Santana then falling out to the floor; after the bout, Santana was taken backstage on a stretcher (the Samoans' MSG debut)

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund fought Ken Patera to a draw at 25:52 when, after Patera threw Backlund into referee Jack Lotz, referee Terry Terranova called for the bell; after the bout, Lotz was taken backstage on a stretcher

WWF IC Champion Pat Patterson defeated Capt. Lou Albano via count-out at 6:11 after Patterson hit Albano with his own foreign object, causing Albano to bleed, with Albano then running backstage

Tony Atlas defeated Swede Hanson at 2:17 with a headbutt off the top

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - February 18, 1980

Austin Idol defeated Jose Estrada at 7:26

Tommy Rich defeated Johnny Rodz at 7:41

Hulk Hogan defeated Tito Santana via count-out at 10:48

Sika defeated Ivan Putski via count-out at 5:28

Bobby Duncum defeated Dominic DeNucci at 11:21

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated Ken Patera via count-out at 15:37; Pat Patterson was the special referee for the bout

Afa defeated Rene Goulet at 9:18

Cowboy Lang & Lone Eagle defeated Little Tokyo & Dirty Morgan at 6:55

Tony Atlas defeated Hussein Arab at 12:18

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - March 24, 1980 (26,102 which included 4,000 in Felt Forum)

Televised on the MSG Network - featured Vince McMahon on commentary

Bulldog Brower pinned Frank Williams at 8:53 with an elbow drop following a running back elbow

Kerry Von Erich pinned Jose Estrada at 10:49 with a sunset flip out of the corner (Kerry's MSG debut)

Tor Kamata pinned Mike Masters at 5:46 with a jumping kick and a kneedrop

Larry Zbyszko defeated Bruno Sammartino (w/ Arnold Skaaland) via disqualification at 15:31 when Sammartino failed to release a choke; Sammartino was eventually pulled away by Skaaland and referee Dick Kroll while Zbyzsko escaped

Afa pinned Dominic DeNucci at 9:42 with a jumping headbutt

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund pinned Sika at 18:32 after throwing the challenger off the top as Sika attempted a diving headbutt

Andre the Giant & WWF IC Champion Pat Patterson defeated Bobby Duncum & Ken Patera at 11:04 when Andre pinned Duncum with a splash as Patterson had Duncum in the figure-4

Rene Goulet pinned Baron Mikel Scicluna with a sunset flip at 6:11

Hulk Hogan pinned WWF Tag Team Champion Tito Santana at 8:12 with a suplex and grabbing the tights for leverage; prior to the bout, Hogan was escorted to the ring by Freddie Blassie (Hulk Hogan: The Ultimate Anthology Wal-Mart exclusive 4th disc)

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - April 21, 1980 (20,000+)

Televised on the MSG Network - featured vince McMahon on commentary

Larry Sharpe defeated Mike Masters at 8:11

Greg Gagne defeated Jose Estrada at 8:53

Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood defeated Tor Kamata & Bulldog Brower at 15:11

Sika defeated Dominic DeNucci at 9:27

Andre the Giant defeated Bobby Duncum at 13:11

Hulk Hogan defeated Rene Goulet at 3:14

Ken Patera defeated WWF IC Champion Pat Patterson to win the title at 20:48 with a knee drop off the middle turnbuckle to the champion's back; the referee, still groggy from a collision with Patterson moments prior, did not notice that the champion's foot was on the bottom rope during the cover (History of the Intercontinental Title, The Ken Patera Story)

Bruno Sammartino defeated Larry Zbyszko via count-out

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated Afa at 16:34

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - May 19, 1980 (near capacity crowd)

Televised on the MSG Network - featured Vince McMahon on commentary

Rick McGraw defeated Jose Estrada at 10:38 (McGraw's MSG debut)

Larry Zbyszko won a 16-man $15,000 battle royal at 11:25 by last eliminating Dominic DeNucci and Bobby Duncum at the same time when, as DeNucci had Duncum in an airplane spin, Zbyzsko dropkicked them both to the floor; order of elimination: Frankie Williams by Baron Mikel Scicluna, Ivan Putski by Peter Maivia, Miavia by Putski via pulling him out from the outside, Scicluna by Tony Atlas, Atlas by the Wild Samoans, Johnny Rodz by DeNucci, Rene Goulet by Duncum, Samoan #2 by Samoan #1 following an accidental headbutt, Samoan #1 by Gorilla Monsoon, Tor Kamata by Pat Patterson, Monsoon by Zbyzsko & Duncum, Patterson by Zbyzsko & Duncum; due to pre-match stipulations, Zbyszko earned a world title shot for the next show at MSG

Larry Sharpe defeated Frankie Williams at 8:24

Larry Zbyszko pinned Dominic DeNucci at 7:08 following a kick to the face as DeNucci charged the corner

Tor Kamata pinned Johnny Rodz at 7:58 after a double karate chop to the throat

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund pinned WWF IC Champion Ken Patera in a Texas Death Match at 22:56 with a crossbody off the top; prior to the bout, the Grand Wizard escorted Patera to the ring and Arnold Skaaland escorted Backlund; named Wrestling Observer's Match of the Year

Gorilla Monsoon pinned Baron Mikel Scicluna (sub. for Hulk Hogan) at 3:11 with a chop and splash

Bobby Duncum defeated Rene Goulet at 5:42

Tony Atlas, Ivan Putski, & Pat Patterson defeated Peter Maivia & WWF Tag Team Champions the Wild Samoans in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match at 16:25; fall #1: Patterson pinned Miavia with a roll up at 8:26; fall #2: Miavia pinned Patterson after a double team from the Samoans at 4:31; fall #3: Atlas pinned Samoan #1 with a splash after the Samoans accidentally headbutted each other at 3:28; prior to the bout, Capt. Lou Albano escorted the Samoans ringside

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - June 16, 1980 (20,000+)

Johnny Rodz defeated Steve King

Bobby Duncum defeated Rick McGraw

Hulk Hogan defeated Gorilla Monsoon

Larry Zbyszko defeated WWF World Champion Bob Backlund when the bout was stopped due to blood at 27:39

Ivan Putski (sub. for Dusty Rhodes) defeated Tor Kamata

WWF IC Champion Ken Patera defeated Pat Patterson

Rene Goulet defeated Larry Sharpe via disqualification

WWF Tag Team Champions the Wild Samoans defeated Dominic DeNucci & Ivan Putski

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - September 22, 1980 (20,000+)

Televised on the MSG Network - featured Vince McMahon & Kal Rudman on commentary

NWA Jr. Heavyweight Champion Les Thornton pinned Jose Estrada at 7:02 with a backbreaker (Thornton's MSG debut)

Pat Patterson pinned Johnny Rodz at 8:04 with a sunset flip

The Hangman pinned Dominic DeNucci at 10:15 when the Hangman fell on top of DeNucci after holding onto the top rope while in the middle of an airplane spin; after the bout, DeNucci hung the Hangman over the top rope with his own noose (Hangman's MSG debut)

Larry Zbyszko defeated Tony Garea via disqualification at 12:15 when Garea failed to release an abdominal stretch after Zbyszko reached the ropes (Garea's MSG return after an 18-month absence)

Rick Martel pinned Rick McGraw at 6:47 with a backslide (Martel's MSG debut)

Pedro Morales pinned Afa at 3:34 by reversing a bodyslam into the ring and falling on top for the win; prior to the bout, Capt. Lou Albano escorted Afa to the ring

WWF IC Champion Ken Patera pinned Rene Goulet at 1:04 with a small package; prior to the bout, the Grand Wizard escorted Patera ringside

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund defeated NWA World Champion Harley Race via disqualification at 35:14 when Race pulled the referee into Backlund as the NWA title holder was caught in a sleeper; this bout was not televised with the rest of the show, rather four matches from the Aug. 9 Shea Stadium show aired in its place

Tony Atlas pinned Sika at 5:32 with an elbow drop

All American Wrestling - 9/11/83: Andre the Giant pinned Hulk Hogan at 12:18 when Hogan failed a slam attempt and guest referee Gorilla Monsoon made a fast count; prior to the match, Hogan was escorted ringside by Freddie Blassie; just before the finish, Hogan successfully slammed Andre; the match was not televised and the MSG broadcast went off the air immediately following the Atlas / Sika bout (Hulk Hogan: The Unreleased Archives)

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - October 20, 1980

Televised on the MSG Network - featured Vince McMahon on commentary:

Terry Taylor pinned Jose Estrada with an abdominal stretch into a roll up at 9:59

Rene Goulet pinned Johnny Rodz after Rodz hit the corner at 8:41

The Hangman defeated Rick McGraw via submission to a backbreaker at 7:19

Pedro Morales fought WWF IC Champion Ken Patera to a double disqualification at 16:19 after both men attacked the referee and used illegal holds; after the bout, the two men had to be held apart by a number of wrestlers including Pat Patterson, Dominic DeNucci, Rick Martel, and several others (History of the Intercontinental Title, History of the Intercontinental Championship)

Dominic DeNucci pinned Larry Sharpe with an inside cradle at 8:38

Sgt. Slaughter defeated WWF World Champion Bob Backlund via disqualification at 16:33 when Arnold Skaaland hit Slaughter in the head, following a confrontation on the floor, as Backlund was trapped in the Cobra Clutch

Rick Martel pinned Baron Mikel Scicluna with a sunset flip at 3:34

Tony Garea defeated Larry Zbyszko via disqualification at 4:58 after Zbyszko shoved the referee

Dusty Rhodes & Pat Patterson defeated WWF Tag Team Champions the Wild Samoans in a Best 2 out of 3 Falls match via referee's decision; fall #1: Rhodes pinned Sika with an elbow at 11:47; fall #2: the curfew expired

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - December 8, 1980 (20,011)

This card was not televised; John Lennon was shot and killed in NYC this same night

Johnny Rodz defeated Sylvano Sousa at 10:49

The Moondogs defeated Rick McGraw & Angel Maravilla at 11:37

Larry Zbyszko defeated Dominic DeNucci via count-out at 12:42

WWF Tag Team Champions Rick Martel & Tony Garea defeated the Wild Samoans in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match at 26:27, 2 falls to 1

Ernie Ladd fought Tony Atlas to a double count-out at 5:24

Pedro Morales defeated WWF IC Champion Ken Patera to win the title at 18:51; Pat Patterson was the guest referee for the bout

Bruno Sammartino defeated Sgt. Slaughter via count-out at 18:38

 

WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - December 29, 1980 (19,000)

Televised on the MSG and USA networks and in Japan - featured Vince McMahon on commentary; Tony Atlas vs. Ernie Ladd in a Texas Death match was originally scheduled for the card but did not take place:

Yoshiaki Yatsu pinned Jose Estrada at 8:47 with a belly to belly suplex

Seiji Sakaguchi fought Sika (w/ Afa) to a draw at 5:34 when both Afa, who switched places with Sika during the bout, and Antonio Inoki, who made the save for Sakaguchi, interfered

WWF Jr. Heavyweight Champion Tatsumi Fujinami pinned Don Diamond with a back suplex into a bridge at 10:28

Hulk Hogan pinned Dominic DeNucci at 4:38 with a powerslam

WWF World Champion Bob Backlund pinned Killer Khan at 12:23 with a back suplex into a bridge

WWF Tag Team Champions Tony Garea & Rick Martel defeated the Moondogs via disqualification at 13:16 when, as Garea had King in an abdominal stretch, Rex hit Garea in the back with one of the challengers' bones

NWF Champion & World Martial Arts Champion Antonio Inoki pinned Bobby Duncum at 12:47 with an enzuiguri; only the Martial Arts title was at stake but Inoki came to the ring wearing the NWF belt

Women's Champion the Fabulous Moolah & Joyce Grable defeated Candy Malloy & Peggy Lee when Moolah pinned Lee following a double clothesline at 5:09

WWF IC Champion Pedro Morales pinned the Hangman at 7:07 with a roll up after the Hangman hit the corner

Pat Patterson defeated Ken Patera via disqualification at 8:12 when Patera refused to break on the ropes

 

In other words, the Main Event went on Last just once all year (Bruno vs Slaughter). Backlund has Zero "main events" at MSG in 1980.

 

I seriously doubt Chris did it that way. He's too smart.

 

John

[Matt D]

I kind of want to see Backlund vs Afa

[WingedEagle]

He states very plainly that the data reflects who wrestled in the last match on the card.

[Dylan Waco]

He states very plainly that the data reflects who wrestled in the last match on the card.

I like Chris, but I hope that's not true because that data is virtually worthless in the case of the WWF

[WingedEagle]

He states very plainly that the data reflects who wrestled in the last match on the card.

I like Chris, but I hope that's not true because that data is virtually worthless in the case of the WWF

 

Yep, its interesting, but doesn't offer you much for purposes of analyzing draws.

[jdw]

Actually, it would be worse than that. It would lead to people making wildly wrong analysis from the "data".

 

Again, a number of keep going to the well: Chris is too smart of a guy to do this. I think what Chris said, or what someone said about Chris' data, has been misread. One simply can't look at data like MSG 1980 and go, "Right... last match it is". Even a totally fucking idiot like SKeith wouldn't do that. Chris is smarter than that.

 

John

[Dylan Waco]

I PM'ed him but he hasn't gotten back to me. Until then can someone post the data and/or the claim about matches going on last?

[WingedEagle]

Here you go.

 

https://t.co/ATs8ohyI

[jdw]

Pretty staggering.

 

John

[jdw]

Example:

 

1985-89

709 Hogan Matches

464 Hogan Main Events

 

65% of Hogan matches were "main events".

 

Setting aside syndication TV tapings should be thrown out (lord knows how he handled those, since Graham's results probably aren't even in the right order), it's likely Hogan is up against 100% main events in that period... probably closer to 100% than he is to 95%, let alone 65%.

 

1. the Undertaker: 1016 matches (1991 to 2010)

2. John Cena: 865 matches (2002 to 2012)

3. Hulk Hogan: 843 matches (1980 to 2005)

4. Triple H: 842 matches (1995 to 2012)

5. Randy Savage: 734 matches (1985 to 1994)

6. Bob Backlund: 682 matches (1977 to 1995)

7. Andre the Giant: 654 matches (1972 to 1991)

8. Chief Jay Strongbow: 638 matches (1970 to 1985)

9. Bret Hart: 616 matches (1984 to 2010)

10. Ivan Putski: 589 matches (1975 to 1985)

 

Yeah, that's just a useless collection of stats now. Frankly, Andre was very rarely in the "main event" prior to say 1984 and his feud with Studd. Even his big feuds with guys like Hogan were pushed below the WWWF/WWF titles and whatever Bruno was up to.

 

John

[WingedEagle]

Yep.