Loss Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Whatever form this might take - if it takes one at all - is forever away, but have fun making recommendations now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Nick Bockwinkel (AWA Champion) vs. Verne Gagne (2-10-79, Chicago). Aired on on of the Japan Classics shows. Verne Gagne (AWA Champion) vs. Billy Robinson (2 bouts, September 1974 in Chicago and 11/20/74 in Japan). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Stuff off the top of my head that should go on but might not necessarily come up otherwise: Bill Watts & Wahoo McDaniel vs Ernie Ladd & Superstar Graham (1973 AWA from clipped Bob Luce film on his TV show in '89) Dick Murdoch & Dusty Rhodes vs Ben Justice & The Stomper (1970 Detroit Silent Film) Steve Grey vs Clive Myers (World of Sport...they had a '70s match and an '80s match) Johnny Eagles & Ken Lucas vs Billy Spears & Raging' Cajun (1976 Gulf Coast TV) Jackie Fargo vs Al Greene (1970 Memphis 2/3 falls hair match on film set) Jerry Jarrett vs Don Greene (1971 Louisville 2/3 falls scaffold match on film set) Jerry Lawler vs Jackie Fargo (everything) Jerry Lawler vs Robert Fuller (Lawelr takes bump down bleachers, on film set) I've never watched all of the Memphis '70s films all the way through so there's definitely more to be mined there, plus we have more coming soon (as well as TV arena stuff). There's more complete or nearly complete stuff than you'd expect. Same goes for the Cornette "garbage tapes" of the Crockett films. There are at least one or two pretty complete Flair vs Steamboat matches on those, for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Blackjack Lanza & Bobby Duncum (AWA Tag Champions) vs. Greg Gagne & Jim Brunzell (July 7, 1977, Winnipeg, Title change) Mad Dog Vachon vs. Edouard Carpentier (2/3 falls, Grand Prix, Montreal forum, 1973-ish) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 WOS Jim Breaks vs. Adrian Street (2/12/72) Jack Fallon vs. Tibor Szakacs (aired 4/19/72) Steve Veidor vs. Tony Charles (11/16/72) Les Kellett vs. Johnny Czeslaw (11/16/72) Clay Thomson vs. Reg Trood (12/30/72 TV) Jim Breaks vs Johnny Saint (3/14/73) Pete Roberts vs. Caswell Martin (4/4/73) Jim Breaks vs Johnny Saint (5/3/73) Jackie Pallo vs. Johnny Kwango (5/3/73) Alan Sarjeant vs. Clay Thomson (6/6/73) Alan Sarjeant vs. Eddie Capelli (12/13/73) Robby Baron vs. Peter Szacaks (3/14/74) Mick McManus vs. Tony St. Clair (3/14/74) Abe Ginsberg vs. Pete Curry (10/23/74) Alan Sarjeant vs. Mick McManus (11/20/74) Johnny Czeslaw vs. Romany Riley (12/4/74) Sid Cooper vs. Clive Myers (1/23/75) Tibor Szakacs vs. Prince Kumali (2/13/75) Steve Grey vs. John Naylor (4/10/75) Robby Baron vs. Alan Sarjeant (4/17/75) Steve Grey vs. Ken Joyce (7/31/75) Clive Myers vs. Steve Grey (10/8/75) Clive Myers vs. Steve Grey (11/20/75) Johnny Saint vs. Mick McManus (11/20/75) Kung Fu vs. Mick McManus (4/21/76) Steve Veidor vs. Gwyn Davies (5/26/76) Mark Rocco vs. Marty Jones (6/30/76) Terry Rudge vs. Marty Jones (11/30/76) Zoltan Boscik vs. Alan Sarjeant (12/29/76) Clive Myers vs. Alan Sarjeant (2/21/77) Steve Grey vs. Mick McManus (5/21/77) [Cup Final Day] Jim Breaks vs. Vic Faulkner (7/5/77) Kung Fu/Pete Roberts vs. Johnny Kincaid/Dave Bond (10/4/77) Clive Myers vs. Steve Grey (12/6/77) Tony St. Clair vs. Dave Bond (12/6/77) Mark Rocco vs. Marty Jones (7/26/78) Bobby Barnes vs. Steve Grey (7/26/78) Steve Grey vs. Mark Rocco (10/11/78) Jim Breaks vs. Young David (Davey Boy Smith) (12/3/79) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Nothing specific to add atm but yeah, 1970's are all about WoS being the best wrestling in the world at that particular time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 What's the best 70s Joshi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted May 6, 2012 Report Share Posted May 6, 2012 Haven't seen much myself, prob less then 10 matches. There isn't that much that exist to begin with, mostly 78 & 79 stuff and a handfull of earlier things that aired on AJW classics in highlight form. I know MJH got Dan Ginnety's 70's to early 80's AJW TV Set that came out a while back which I still need to pick up. That has about 4 or 5 disc worth of 70's stuff which is the most i've seen gathered together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Frank put together a series of 70s Japan dvd's. There were roughly 20 disks, in 2 hour format. Looks like the last one he did was in 2005. He did not do DVD versions of the 1977-79 "years", but did do dvd versions of the AJPW Tag Leagues for those years. He also did earlier video tape versions of 1977-79, so there's a template of some of what would have made 1977-79 when he got to them... however there was a fair amount of interesting stuff that had come out on G+, dvd and also Dan's hunting for those years between the video tape versions and when he would have sat down to do 1977-79. This also predates the flood of IWE stuff that's come out, so there's very little of it on these. I'm not recommending all of these. They're simply a good reference source for folks to use as a base. Frank was thinking in terms of Yearbooks when he put these together, and his concept was very similar to what Will and Loss are doing. * * * * * * * * * * 1970 Antonio Inoki vs Dory Funk - 08/02/1970 Giant Baba vs Gene Kiniski - 12/03/1970 1971 Antonio Inoki vs Destroyer - 05/19/1971 Giant Baba vs Abdullah - 05/19/1971 Antonio Inoki vs Jack Brisco - 08/05/1971 Antonio Inoki vs Dick Murdoch - 12/04/1971 1972 Antonio Inoki vs Karl Gotch - 03/06/1972 Strong Kobayashi vs Andre Roussimoff - 05/06/1972 Giant Baba vs Destroyer - 12/19/1972 1973 Disc One Inoki/Sakaguchi vs Powers/Patterson - 08/24/1973 Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras - 10/09/1973 Baba/Tsuruta vs Dory/Terry - 10/09/1973 (JIP only AFAIK) 1973 Disc Two Inoki/Sakaguchi vs Thesz/Gotch - 10/14/1973 Antonio Inoki vs Johnny Powers - 12/10/1973 1974 Disc One Jack Brisco vs Dory Funk - 01/29/1974 Jack Brisco vs Jumbo Tsuruta - 01/30/1974 1974 Disc Two Antonio Inoki vs Strong Kobayashi - 03/19/1974 Antonio Inoki vs Seiji Sakaguchi - 04/26/1974 Giant Baba vs Pedro Morales - 06/13/1974 Antonio Inoki vs Tiger Jeet Singh - 06/26/1974 1974 Disc Three Baba/Tsuruta vs Roop/Backlund - 07/25/1974 Destroyer vs Mil Mascaras - 07/25/1974 Baba/Destroyer vs Kox/Slater - 08/29/1974 Dory Funk vs Jumbo Tsuruta - 08/29/1974 1974 Disc Four Antonio Inoki vs Kintaro Oki - 10/10/1974 Giant Baba vs Jack Brisco - 12/02/1974 Jumbo Tsuruta vs Ken Mantell - 12/05/1974 Antonio Inoki vs Strong Kobayashi - 12/12/1974 1975 Disc One Jack Brisco vs Bobo Brazil - 03/13/1975 Baba/Tsuruta vs Dory/Terry - 03/13/1975 Jumbo Tsuruta vs Bob Orton - 04/10/1975 Antonio Inoki vs Tiger Jeet Singh - 06/26/1975 Destroyer vs Spirit - 07/25/1975 1975 Disc Two Antonio Inoki vs Lou Thesz - 10/09/1975 Destroyer vs Stan Hansen - 10/30/1975 Giant Baba vs Kintaro Oki - 10/30/1975 Antonio Inoki vs Billy Robinson - 12/11/1975 1975 Open League Disc One Opening Ceremony - 12/06/1975 Harley Race vs Dusty Rhodes - 12/06/1975 Abdullah vs Dory Funk - 12/06/1975 Giant Baba vs Baron Von Raschke - 12/06/1975 Hiro Matsuda vs Dusty Rhodes - 12/09/1975 Jumbo Tsuruta vs Horst Hoffman - 12/09/1975 Dory Funk vs Baron Von Raschke - 12/09/1975 Giant Baba vs Harley Race - 12/09/1975 1975 Open League Disc Two Pat O'Connor vs Mighty Inoue - 12/13/1975 Destroyer vs Don Leo Jonathan - 12/13/1975 Jumbo Tsuruta vs Rusher Kimura - 12/13/1975 Giant Baba vs Abdullah - 12/13/1975 Pat O'Connor vs Dick Murdoch - 12/15/1975 Dory Funk vs Horst Hoffman - 12/15/1975 Abdullah vs Don Leo Jonathan - 12/15/1975 Giant Baba vs Jumbo Tsuruta - 12/15/1975 1975 Open League Disc Three Mighty Inoue vs Hiro Matsuda - 12/17/1975 Destroyer vs Horst Hoffman - 12/17/1975 Dory Funk vs Don Leo Jonathan - 12/17/1975 Jumbo Tsuruta vs Abdullah - 12/17/1975 Giant Baba vs Rusher Kimura - 12/17/1975 Jumbo Tsuruta vs Dory Funk - 12/18/1975 Giant Baba vs Horst Hoffman - 12/18/1975 Closing Ceremony - 12/18/1975 1976 Disc One Jumbo Tsuruta vs Rusher Kimura - 03/28/1976 Giant Baba vs Jumbo Tsuruta - 05/01/1976 Antonio Inoki vs Victor Rivera - 05/11/1976 Seiji Sakaguchi vs Pedro Morales - 05/11/1976 1976 Disc Two Terry Funk vs Jumbo Tsuruta - 06/11/1976 Jumbo Tsuruta vs Billy Robinson - 07/17/1976 Giant Baba vs Billy Robinson - 07/24/1976 1976 Disc Three Destroyer vs Super Destroyer - 08/28/1976 Jumbo Tsuruta vs Jack Brisco - 08/28/1976 Antonio Inoki vs Billy Graham - 09/10/1976 Antonio Inoki vs Ivan Koloff - 12/02/1976 Dick Murdoch vs Killer Karl Kox - 12/09/1976 1977 Open Tag League Disc One Opening Ceremony - 12/02/1977 Robinson/Hoffman vs Inoue/Takachio - 12/02/1977 Dory/Terry vs Tenryu/Hata - 12/02/1977 Baba/Tsuruta vs Sheik/Abby - 12/02/1977 Dory/Terry vs Robinson/Hoffman - 12/06/1977 Sheik/Abby vs Oki/Duk - 12/10/1977 1977 Open Tag League Disc Two Baba/Tsuruta vs Kimura/Kusatsu - 12/10/1977 Oki/Duk vs Kimura/Kusatsu - 12/14/1977 Robinson/Hoffman vs Sheik/Abby - 12/14/1977 Baba/Tsuruta vs Dory/Terry - 12/14/1977 Dory/Terry vs Sheik/Abby - 12/15/1977 Closing Ceremony - 12/15/1977 1978 Tag League Dory/Terry vs Bockwinkel/Lanza - 12/05/1978 Dory/Terry vs Sheik/Abby - 12/09/1978 Bockwinkel/Lanza vs Abby/Kamata - 12/15/1978 Baba/Tsuruta vs Dory/Terry - 12/15/1978 Commendation Ceremony - 12/15/1978 1979 Tag League Mil/Dos vs Wrestling/Strangler - 11/30/1979 Dory/Terry vs Baba/Tsuruta - 11/30/1979 Mil/Dos vs McDaniel/Hill - 12/03/1979 Dory/Terry vs Mil/Dos - 12/07/1979 Baba/Tsuruta vs Mil/Dos - 12/13/1979 Dory/Terry vs Sheik/Abby - 12/13/1979 Commendation Ceremony - 12/13/1979 * * * * * * * * * * * Matches that aren't on the above sets that were on the earlier Video Tape sets: From the 1970-76 sets: 03/21/1974 Antonio Inoki vs Ernie Ladd 10/07/1976 Antonio Inoki vs Andre the Giant 1977 Best of Japan (no dvd equiv) 03/05/1977 Billy Robinson vs Jumbo Tsuruta 06/11/1977 Harley Race vs Jumbo Tsuruta 08/25/1977 Jumbo Tsuruta vs Mil Mascaras 09/02/1977 Antonio Inoki vs Stan Hansen 12/01/1977 Antonio Inoki vs Pat Patterson 1978 Best of Japan (no dvd equiv) 05/30/1978 Backlund/Garea vs Fujinami/Choshu 07/27/1978 Antonio Inoki vs Bob Backlund 08/24/1978 Baba/Jumbo vs Mil/Dos 12/13/1978 Nick Bockwinkle vs Jumbo Tsuruta 1979 Best of Japan (no dvd equiv) 01/05/1979 Brody/Curtis vs Baba/Destroyer 05/18/1979 Andre the Giant vs Stan Hansen 06/07/1979 Tatsumi Fujinami vs El Canek 06/15/1979 Sakaguchi/Choshu vs Saito/Matsuda 10/31/1979 Shohei Baba vs Harley Race 11/08/1979 Antonio Inoki vs Dusty Rhodes 12/06/1979 Bob Backlund vs Antonio Inoki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 I also might... *might* suggest that this eventually get broken up into a couple of sets. There are some things like the 1975 Open League that are among the best extant collections of various Gaijin in comlete matches. In 1976 we have the WWWF/WWF starting to have quite a few complete house shows from MSG and Philly available, which are useful for not only mining the Main Events but also some of the other matches for examples of how folks work... such as Patterson vs DiBiase. There's a lot of New Japan available, not just on Classics and dvd but also Dan's hunting. All that IWA is out there. Daniel pointed to a ton of WoS. Might end up finding a split of 1970-73, 1974-76 and 1977-79 gives the space to be more managable and inclusive like you're been with the 90s Yearbooks. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Backlund v. Valentine MSG draw from 79. Also Backlund had matches with Duncum and Hussein Arab from 77/78 that are good stuff. I really liked a Dino Bravo v. Super Destroyer II match I recently came across in my watching that is from AWA TV on 10/28/79. Also has the benefit of being a match that furthered the dissension angle with SDII losing his mask and blaming Lord Alfred Hayes for his problems and aligning with Heenan. I'll assume the Portland is well known from the Buddy comp, but don't forget Buddy's San Francisco run, particularly the excellent tv mach v. Mando. That Dundee v. Charles match from Memphis with Lance marking out on commentary is from 79. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Backlund v. Valentine MSG draw from 79. Also Backlund had matches with Duncum and Hussein Arab from 77/78 that are good stuff. And the Texas Death Match with Duncum is for the secretly-vacant WWWF title, with the WWWF acknowledging but not really acknowledging beforehand. It's a must. Bobby Duncum vs. Victor Rivera from the 4/14/75 MSG show is something that I swear jumped out to me as a real sleeper match. Damning with faint praise as it may be but it's a very rare good WWWF match that doesn't involve Backlund. Worth a look just to see if I'm crazy or misremembering. It's been a long time since I went through the Mid-Atlantic films and I didn't keep notes or anything, and another issue is that there doesn't seem to be dates for any of this stuff. All I can think of is cross-referencing the match listings with other results databases like the Mid-Atlantic Gateway or clawmaster's listings. Anyway, stuff that probably should go in that I remember: - Ole & Gene Anderson vs. Ric Flair & Greg Valentine (Cage Match). The Andersons need to be on a Yearbook in some form. - There are a number of different Ken Patera vs. Tony Atlas matches, all in a row. One of which has the best-executed "pull the tights" finish I've ever seen. - Johnny Valentine vs. Wahoo McDaniel. Actually I found this disappointing, but it still needs to be there. - Ric Flair vs. Bobo Brazil. This is the majority of the match (with the finish clipped out--arrgh) and it's Bobo winning the U.S. title. A definite early broomstick performance by Flair, but...it's Flair vs. a pretty historic figure from another time period, and it's useful to see some footage of Bobo even if it's past his prime. The guy who really came off in these clips as the Lost Worker of the '70s, to me, was Blackjack Mulligan. Very Big Boss Man-like once he turned babyface in his ability to sell and project sympathy despite usually being much bigger than his opponent. As a heel he did some advanced stuff like kneedrops off the top that the immobile '80s Mulligan could never do. Also, Cowboy Bill Watts vs. Mr. Wrestling for the Georgia Heavyweight title, from 1973. One of the closest things to a complete Watts match from near his prime (there's also a fairly decent-lengthed IWE match with Kobayashi but this is better, I think). IWE that stood out as good/memorable stuff: - Strong Kobayashi vs. Monster Rousimoff (5/6/72) - Strong Kobayashi vs. Rusher Kimura (7/9/72) - IWE title defense for Strong. I really thought this was pretty good and native vs. native in 1972, outside of a round-robin setting, was very rare. I know Kobayashi was mostly horrible but the IWE Strong seemed to be a lot more motivated. - Rusher Kimura vs. Blackjack Mulligan (10/10/73) - Strong Kobayashi/The Great Kusatsu vs. The Hollywood Blonds (1/26/74) - The original Blonds, like the Andersons, have to be on a '70s Yearbook somewhere. I haven't seen much in the way of Florida films so maybe there's something there that would trump this. - Ashura Hara vs. Mile Zrno (WWU Jr. Heavyweight title, 5/6/79) - Mighty Inoue vs. Geoff Portz (5/26/75) - Severe clippage but Portz looks incredible. Probably the True Lost Worker of the '70s. - Mighty Inoue vs. Andre the Giant (7/17/79) - Ashura Hara vs. The Dynamite Kid (7/21/79) New Japan: - Antonio Inoki vs. Johnny Powers (3/13/77) - I think there are 3 of these bouts and I may not have the right date, but it's the match with Lou Thesz as guest referee. - Antonio Inoki vs. Roland Bock (12/29/78) - from Germany - Antonio Inoki vs. Bob Roop (1/12/79) - Tatsumi Fujinami vs. Jack Brisco (4/27/79) - Tatsumi Fujinami vs. El Solitario (5/10/79) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 PWF Heavyweight Title changes: - Giant Baba vs. Tor Kamata (6/1/78) - Tor Kamata vs. Billy Robinson (6/12/78) - Billy Robinson vs. Abdullah the Butcher (10/18/78) - Abdullah the Butcher vs. Giant Baba (2/10/79) - Chicago, shown on AJPW Classics The first two really just need the ending clips plus the Kamata/Robinson confrontation after Kamata's fluke title win. Robinson vs. Abby is fun with Robinson pulling Abby into an actual wrestling match. There's also an earlier Robinson/Abdullah match from '76 that's Abby pulling Robinson into a brawl. NWF Heavyweight title changes in New Japan: - Johnny Powers vs. Antonio Inoki (12/10/73) - Antonio Inoki vs. Tiger Jeet Singh (3/13/75). Inoki forfeited the title out of refusal to defend against Singh, thus we got Inoki vs. Singh for the vacant title...yeah. - Tiger Jeet Singh vs. Antonio Inoki (6/26/75) I know it's Singh but God knows this feud has to be represented somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 The guy who really came off in these clips as the Lost Worker of the '70s, to me, was Blackjack Mulligan. I recently stumbled upon a WWWF TV match from 6/4 1975 between the Blackjacks (w.Albano) and Dominic DeNucci/Victor Rivera while lurking on DVDVR that turns into what must be one of the wildest, crazy-ass Memphis-style brawls a McMahon-owned wrestling company has ever produced in any era. A must see. Here's the write-up from Cawthon's site: Blackjack Mulligan & Blackjack Lanza fought WWWF Tag Team Champions Dominic DeNucci & Victor Rivera to a no contest in a non-title match at 11:46; at the 5-minute mark, Capt. Lou Albano came ringside, stopping by the announce area to say that the Blackjacks were now his team; minutes later, Albano began physically interfering in the match, leading to a brawl between the two teams on the floor and in the ring; in the ensuing battle, the wooden ring steps were used as a weapon, wrestlers were thrown into the ringpost, Rivera assaulted the Blackjacks with a wooden chair, and Albano broke off part of the ring steps and assaulted Rivera with them; the bell rang as the show was about to go off the air and Rivera was fighting off the Blackjacks on the floor with the chair; after the match, untelevised, a near riot is said to have happened that led police to using tear gas (Albano's surprise debut with the Blackjacks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 - Strong Kobayashi/The Great Kusatsu vs. The Hollywood Blonds (1/26/74) - The original Blonds, like the Andersons, have to be on a '70s Yearbook somewhere. I haven't seen much in the way of Florida films so maybe there's something there that would trump this. They are at least two matches in NJ that are out there: NJ Classics: 10/02/75 NA Tag Titles: Inoki & Sakaguchi vs. Jerry Brown & Buddy Roberts 1: Sakaguchi (17:31 pin) Roberts 2: Roberts (13:56 pin) Sakaguchi 3: Inoki (4:18 pin) Brown Inoki 50th Anniversay DVD: 08/01/76 Inoki & Sakaguchi vs. Jerry Brown & Buddy Roberts The date on that strikes me as wrong: they didn't face each other on that date. I suspect it's this: Taped 08/01/75 at the Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles 1. North American Tag Title: Antonio Inoki & Seiji Sakaguchi nc Buddy Roberts & Jerry Brown (13:09, 13:12) I don't know if Dan got that Inoki 50 set given the insane price and the generally thought that most of the stuff was duplicative. It's probably worthwhile to keep *both* the IWE and the 10/02/75 NJPW match. It's a good comp. Kusatsu was pretty much the tag "anchor" in IWE from 1970-78, not unlike Sak was in NJPW. They're paired with the two aces of the promotions, and against what was generally thought of as one of the best US tag teams of the 70s. It's not like they both need to be great~! matches: they're of great historical value to see how the Blondes could go. Probably not a lot of matches out there with them. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Mulligan vs Jerry Blackwell from the 1978 JCP year in review shows is also really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 For IWE I remember thinking Strong Kobayashi vs Don Leo Jonathon from sometime in 72 was really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Of_Jericho Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Admittedly, I haven't seen much from the 70's, but a few I watched recently that I enjoyed: Terry Funk Vs. Jumbo Tsuruta 6/11/76 The Funk Bros. Vs. Abdullah The Butcher & The Shiek 7/15/79 & 12/13/79 Jerry Lawler Vs. Harley Race 12/77 (One-Hour Draw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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