Guest Nell Santucci Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Calm down guys, let it play out. Long term build!!! Jesus Christ, if only I cared more, I'd just do a public suicide in front of a live WWE audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 The Wyatts look like a crew at a used car garage. Harper and Rowan are the mechanics and Bray is the salesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 What symbolism there from Kane. Beautiful writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 A lot of stuff tonight that might turn out questionable but at least it's not been dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Kane taking the mask back off has been way overdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 I actually thought that they should have put the Wyatts against Bryan the night after Summerslam to get him away from Orton but it's just a hilarious notion now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Smell the Survivor Series multi-man with the Wyatts and Enemies of the Authority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 OMG. This is literally a troll on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 It's almost like they scoured the internet for the worst fantasy booked episode of Raw they could find, they even hit the meme of changing Kane's mask. Following that thinking, The Wyatts will be revealed as Vince's pets, Vince will be the devil who made them do it and we'll have The Wyatt Family for Vince vs The Shield for HHH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 The four minutes this will be on my TV will be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 YAY We have a Rhodes Family vs. Real Americans feud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 The four minutes this will be on my TV will be worth it. Went a little longer than that. Fine tag match. Cesaro's "holy shit, we won?" reaction was great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Good match though it had some kinks in it. Here's hoping they pull out a real good one on a PPV, which I expect they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 The four minutes this will be on my TV will be worth it. Went a little longer than that. Fine tag match. Cesaro's "holy shit, we won?" reaction was great! I was wrong. Which is a good thing. I'm looking forward to more matches between these teams. It was a solid tag but these guys have better stuff in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 The last two nights have been so depressing. I know I'm late to the party here but now I know how a lot of you feel while watching modern WWE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 What's depressing is if WWE takes anything away from people's reaction (which is a big if in itself), they'll probably assume people are just mad Bryan lost and miss the point completely. I'll admit I really would love to see a potential Bryan-HBK match, but it's just really a turnoff that in 2013 it seems like WWE is now just Hunter and Pals Run Wild. Even when Vince comes back to kick off their big WM angle for control of the company, it's still going to be reruns of shit we saw over and over again. In fact, I would submit to the court that the most damaging thing to pro wrestling in the US has been WWE's idea that the company is the draw rather than the wrestlers. Not only does that fly in the face of over a hundred years of history, it guarantees you'll never create new stars because you've established they are just interchangeable parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 The Sandow thing just strikes me a huge slap in the face. He ruthlessly attacks an existing injury, and still loses to the one armed Supercena. Granted, the whole point of Sandow winning MITB was turning Cody babyface, but surely he could have gotten some mileage out of bragging that *HE* put Cena back on the shelf. Even if he only got a month or two with the title, it'd still have been a fresh title run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 For the people who only care about the action and nothing else, cena vs Sandow was a great match. But that finish was just garbage if you are not. John Cena should never take time off of injuries because if you are going to continue this Superman treatment then go all the way with it. The argument will be "Well nobody really gives a shit about Sandow anyway". Well after this finish you have every right to say it. I really liked the Sandow confrontation, the attack on the arm, and the cash in.....but as soon as it went to commercial I knew he was going to lose because they wouldn't blow the massive surprise cash in moment and pop like that. Still though, the match was really good, and done well enough that I actually bought that Sandow might actually win. The "Superman Cena" stuff reached ridiculous levels there though. I get why they do it and everything, but with the amount of punishment he took from Sandow on his SURGICALLY REPAIRED ARM....less than 24 hours after his match with Del Rio.....no way he should have survived that match with the belt, beating Sandow clean with a one armed AA no less. Ok, he's a superhuman freak, we get it. But even Superman had his kryptonyte, and if that ridiculous beatdown of his arm that Sandow delivered wasn't it, what is? Overall I thought this was a really good RAW, and the complaints about the way they're booking Bryan and HHH and Show are getting tiresome. Bryan murdered HBK in a really great segment, then had the Wyatts sicked on him. Who then proceeded to also destroy CM Punk, the other most over guy on the roster, later in the show. But this is somehow terrible and burying them? To me it just made this whole angle a lot more interesting, and if you don't think Bryan and Punk teaming up against the Wyatts is going to get over like gangbusters you're wrestling retarded, sorry. And I hate to say something like that on what I expect to be the smartest board around, but jesus, some of you need to get a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nell Santucci Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 damaging thing to pro wrestling in the US has been WWE's idea that the company is the draw rather than the wrestlers. Not only does that fly in the face of over a hundred years of history, it guarantees you'll never create new stars because you've established they are just interchangeable parts. Yes and it's driven by WWE paranoia and nepotism. For the former, the company seems unduly worried that TNA might rise out of the ashes by signing one of their big, disenchanted stars. On the other, driven by the former, the upper brass can't help itself but push around talent. Maybe Vince deep down feels the Cliq pulled a coup on him and that it's better to collaborate than risk a new Cliq or Austin from arising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 damaging thing to pro wrestling in the US has been WWE's idea that the company is the draw rather than the wrestlers. Not only does that fly in the face of over a hundred years of history, it guarantees you'll never create new stars because you've established they are just interchangeable parts. Yes and it's driven by WWE paranoia and nepotism. For the former, the company seems unduly worried that TNA might rise out of the ashes by signing one of their big, disenchanted stars. On the other, driven by the former, the upper brass can't help itself but push around talent. Maybe Vince deep down feels the Cliq pulled a coup on him and that it's better to collaborate than risk a new Cliq or Austin from arising. lol I can guarantee you that WWE has no fear of TNA signing any of their stars. Not 10 years ago, not 5 years ago, and certainly not now when the company is on the verge of death As to the second point, talent has gotten pushed around in every promotion in history. Cream rises to the top. They aren't worried about some sort of coup, lol. Maybe they just do things certain ways because Vince is set in his ways, and there's no competition to prod him? That seems far more logical than your batshit ideas. There's already been a big change since HHH has gotten more pull backstage in terms of the talent they use and push, developmental, storylines, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nell Santucci Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 damaging thing to pro wrestling in the US has been WWE's idea that the company is the draw rather than the wrestlers. Not only does that fly in the face of over a hundred years of history, it guarantees you'll never create new stars because you've established they are just interchangeable parts. Yes and it's driven by WWE paranoia and nepotism. For the former, the company seems unduly worried that TNA might rise out of the ashes by signing one of their big, disenchanted stars. On the other, driven by the former, the upper brass can't help itself but push around talent. Maybe Vince deep down feels the Cliq pulled a coup on him and that it's better to collaborate than risk a new Cliq or Austin from arising. lol I can guarantee you that WWE has no fear of TNA signing any of their stars. Not 10 years ago, not 5 years ago, and certainly not now when the company is on the verge of death As to the second point, talent has gotten pushed around in every promotion in history. Cream rises to the top. They aren't worried about some sort of coup, lol. Maybe they just do things certain ways because Vince is set in his ways, and there's no competition to prod him? That seems far more logical than your batshit ideas. There's already been a big change since HHH has gotten more pull backstage in terms of the talent they use and push, developmental, storylines, etc. Triple Hepatitis has made no changes that have affected the product qualitatively. I'm utterly shocked you'd fall for that. Vince shouldn't be concerned about TNA, but the guy acts like the WCW victory came out of nowhere. As such, it would not shock me a bit to see Vince not wanting to make new stars in case someone like Austin in 2002 jumped ship out of spite. What other strategic reason would there be too bury anyone getting over who isn't one of their chosen? You can't ever underestimate the insularity of WWE's environment as told by countless others. Cream doesn't rise to the crop in a worked sport. Without Cornette and Ross, there'd be no Rock. Luck and connections play a huge role. Just ask HHH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Yeah, like I said, maybe just lay off modern wrestling, you sound crazy. Triple Hepatitis? Eh, whatever man, I couldn't care less if you watch WWE, it's just annoying as hell reading bitter people shit all over the modern product. Get over it. If you don't like it don't watch it. Shit, I'd be miserable if I watched or listened to things I didn't actually like. So I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nell Santucci Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Yeah, like I said, maybe just lay off modern wrestling, you sound crazy. Triple Hepatitis? Eh, whatever man, I couldn't care less if you watch WWE, it's just annoying as hell reading bitter people shit all over the modern product. Get over it. If you don't like it don't watch it. Shit, I'd be miserable if I watched or listened to things I didn't actually like. So I don't. You shouldn't assume my viewing habits. I'll watch most Raws and 1/3 of PPVs despite a busy schedule. So when I see WWE, in its grand insularity, do three screwjob finishes in two months, coming to around $165 in expenditures, just to troll the audience with Triple Hepatitis nepotism, then I'll cash out until the Rumble just as I decided to not buy a ticket for 2013 SummerSlam given how disappointing 2012 was. Unlike most jaded types, there's no point in watching a product that tries to insult audience intelligence at the cost of $150+ and then wonder why the fuck buyrates have plummeted, hence bringing back acts I grew tired of ten years ago. Your U crazy act is a bit bizarre. The product sucks, and there are too many I know who've tuned out in the last 5 years because of crap booking like this. Besides, I'm not the only one who thinks WWE is run by loons. It's pretty much a given that the company doesn't care for its bottom line and have a comfirmation bias to bury anyone who gets over who weren't their chosen. You'd be really surprised how badly WWE comes off to casuals. Presenting itself as entertainment while selling itself as a product worth buying is a case of serious doublethink. Or if it's entertainment and people are expected to pay to watch their big matches, a sane person would expect a reasonable payoff and not some WCW ending 3x in a row. Yeah, the wrestling is usually very good, but the characters largely suck and the 20-min promos probably scare off more casuals than they retain. Cornette imo isn't some great booker, but his criticism of the company is largely spot on. And btw, Meltzer himself has gone over numerous times of guys purposely buried in the last decade despite getting over. No sane company does that. Cashing out until the Rumble, though I must admit 2012 in choosing Sheamus as their guy was retarded in every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Way to prove my point, crazy man If the product sucks as much as you claim, why do you keep watching? Because it's the only game in town? It isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nell Santucci Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Way to prove my point, crazy man If the product sucks as much as you claim, why do you keep watching? Because it's the only game in town? It isn't. Evidently you have a comprehension issue. I stopped watching last night and won't watch again until Rumble time. Funny how someone endorsed that on Facebook who paid to see HIAC. You know, I'm amazed by how complacent some are. If you enjoy the product, more power to you. But I don't enjoy shitty writing. You got some undersized guy who beat the top dog clean. It's the perfect Rocky moment. Then he gets fucked over by some guy whose real life insecurities come off on TV that he isn't the elite of the elite, only to put the belt on some bland act like Orton. Then it's two months of pounding into the audience's head that he's merely good, and that's about it, who then gets beat up at the conclusion of every Raw. Bryan is treated as the smart geek in class who is utterly devoid of any leadership skills with his own comrades, like Big Show, who far from being booked to his strengths is some emaciated cry baby. People culturally like winners, not guys whose weaknesses are reinforced on a weekly basis. We get 3 screwjobs for $165, only for a permanently face legend to sabotage the geek because he attacked a guy with an 80 pound and 8 inch advantage. Then, the geek is relegated to midcard until he's useful again. You're defending that garbage? That's one of the shittiest abstracts I've ever seen. A mediocre English undergrad could write better than that! It'smore of this hot/cold booking they've done with every major act of the last few years, and the only guy who gets over from this is Triple Hepatitis. No wonder people have flocked to MMA instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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