Dylan Waco Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'm not surprised that my take on the TLC six-man is a minority one. But I am somewhat surprised that I've come across literally no substantial criticism of the match. To me, this is as good evidence as any of the baleful legacy of ECW. Everyone seems to have forgotten what a wild brawl should look like. I said in my post that I thought you could find obvious flaws with it (guys disappearing, suspect selling at times, et) but everyone came out looking better and the right guys won decisively - you aren't going to find many people tripping over themselves to shit on a modern WWE match, with good action and those results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ziggler as the new HBK, AJ as the new Sherri, & Big E as the new Diesel has some potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I'm kind of with you NintendoLogic especially in regards to Ambrose in the match. I was sort of shocked to see some of the praise heaped on him since I thought some of his selling and facials were Edge overreacting bad at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I've been saying forever that Ambrose would be on the path to being one of the most promising guys in ages if he just toned it down by 15% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ambrose is odd in that there are moments when he hits things just perfectly and projects better than literally anyone in modern wrestling. And then there are moments where he is indeed borderline Edgeish. In general I think he's far more good than bad, but I get the criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I said in my post that I thought you could find obvious flaws with it (guys disappearing, suspect selling at times, et) but everyone came out looking better and the right guys won decisively - you aren't going to find many people tripping over themselves to shit on a modern WWE match, with good action and those results. I won't dispute that the match worked in getting The Shield over huge. But I think you can distinguish between a match that's effective from a booking standpoint and one that holds up to repeated viewings. Ziggler as the new HBK, AJ as the new Sherri, & Big E as the new Diesel has some potential One thing I absolutely hate about WWE is heels who rely on women for their heat. I'm kind of with you NintendoLogic especially in regards to Ambrose in the match. I was sort of shocked to see some of the praise heaped on him since I thought some of his selling and facials were Edge overreacting bad at times. For me, the most egregious example was when Ambrose got suplexed onto the ladder. His facial expressions were ridiculously cartoonish and over-the-top. I agree with Matt that he'd greatly benefit from turning it down a notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ziggler as the new HBK, AJ as the new Sherri, & Big E as the new Diesel has some potential AJ might actually get over as a heel if they remake her as the shrieking bitch who stomps and kicks her man's opponent while they're down (but then hides behind Big E if anyone comes back at her because if she's willing to fight men like Sherri did the fans will cheer her). If their plan is for her to just to make sexy faces and skip around Dolph after he wins this heel turn will be a dud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I said in my post that I thought you could find obvious flaws with it (guys disappearing, suspect selling at times, et) but everyone came out looking better and the right guys won decisively - you aren't going to find many people tripping over themselves to shit on a modern WWE match, with good action and those results. I won't dispute that the match worked in getting The Shield over huge. But I think you can distinguish between a match that's effective from a booking standpoint and one that holds up to repeated viewings. I don't disagree with this at all, but that's not the point. The point is it was a WWE match that was anticipated, had good action, had a different feel from the average main event and had a satisfying finish (on multiple levels). A match like that is not going to be heavily criticized or critiqued in the immediate. In the rear view? Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ziggler as the new HBK, AJ as the new Sherri, & Big E as the new Diesel has some potential AJ might actually get over as a heel if they remake her as the shrieking bitch who stomps and kicks her man's opponent while they're down (but then hides behind Big E if anyone comes back at her because if she's willing to fight men like Sherri did the fans will cheer her). If their plan is for her to just to make sexy faces and skip around Dolph after he wins this heel turn will be a dud. I guess AJ is a notch or two above the average Diva as an overall performer, but to me she is mostly just a cute chick who looks good in a pair of skimpy jean shorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Ambrose is odd in that there are moments when he hits things just perfectly and projects better than literally anyone in modern wrestling. And then there are moments where he is indeed borderline Edgeish. In general I think he's far more good than bad, but I get the criticism. I agree, but so far the thing that sets Ambrose apart from Edge (for me) is that he comes off as genuinely dangerous. Edge just always looked goofy and wrestled kinda goofy. When Ambrose jumps on someone, I can buy him being an ass-kicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I agree that Ambrose offense really does set him apart from Edge. He does look dangerous and vicious in his brawling. Edge followed up his cartoon selling by delivering spears that I would allow my 83 year old grandmother to take. I did like the match it just didn't reach MOTYC level for me and I also really want to cheer for Ambrose I just again agree with Matt that a 15% reduction in some of the mannerisms would be ideal. I don't recall him having that problem on the indy scene so maybe it something that can be adjusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 On the contrary, we'll just hope he's not getting coached to be *more* expressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueminister Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Was Dean Ambrose the guy Mick Foley didn't want to work with, and if so -- has it been established what exactly the deal with that was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I thought that was a worked shoot, but maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Foley's gone on record as a big Ambrose fan....they just didn't run with that program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 that they didn't run with it just made Ambrose look desperate and low grade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I guess he shouldn't have gone after Foley's kids then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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