anarchistxx Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 WWE has been steadily losing business for years. Its time is coming. Utter rubbish. It is more profitable than ever. If you think the WWE is going anywhere in the next ten or twenty years you are completely deluded. Even when they run out of nostalgia superstars to wheel out every year the wheel we keep on turning, as a corporation they are a well oiled machine. TNA have survived for over a decade and they fucking lose money, not to mention being one of the worst professional wrestling shows ever aired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stomperspc Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I don't get the sense of urgency in pushing Reigns. Barring something unforeseen, Cena will be around for a little while longer. Bryan can easily function as at least a short term solution as the top babyface. Ambrose is reasonably over and could have a minor run on top. Reigns is 29 years old, so it is not like it is now or never for him. Had they hit the brakes on his push and gave him more time to get over naturally he might have had a shot. In the meantime, they could more than make do with those other guys. This was a prime opportunity to bring Reigns along slowly while other non-long term solutions (in WWE's eyes) bridge the gap. Instead they've sort of killed everyone in the process. They will survive of course, but man do they make it hard on themselves . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Totally pathetic. Vince's death is the only small chance this company has to live at this point. I always laugh at hyperbolic posts like this. WWE will be alive for decades if not centuries, it is a huge multinational corporation with an incredibly loyal fanbase who tune in every week despite the consistently awful booking. Every person in this thread has probably vowed never to watch again after some terrible show that wasted their time or unfair treatment of a worker ofr awful booking decision. How many new fans are they getting though? How many kids tuning in for John Cena keep up with the product after they turn, say, 12 without the memories the older fans have that keep them loyal. A lot of kids probably are tuning out at age twelve. That is nothing new, all my friends did in 2001/2002 when we turned that age and the attitude era died down. They will always get new fans, especially the children of the adults who are fans. The product is still aimed towards the PG market, so they are likely content having children and diehards as the consistent fanbase. They know they can do virtually whatever and maintain steady ratings and revenue. The problem with your stance is that this is what companies say when the tide is slowly turning against them. "Don't worry about customer complaints guys, we've been around for years and will be for many years to come. We'll just keep doing what we do and eventually things will even out." Now, I'm not saying WWE will go out of business today, tomorrow, or even ten years from now. However, they are presently showing to be a company that is tone deaf when it comes to delivering a product their fans want to see. There's already been a slow trickle of fans online posting pics of their cancellation screens from the Network. They aren't making a difference now, but over time as fans continue to turn away and they continue to not make new fans things could get bad for them. Heck, WWE may be around forever, but is it really that hard to look at the history of the business world and not think that a company who is experiencing relatively rough times and continues to shit on their fans could possibly be heading towards a future where they go belly up? I don't think it is, and to dismiss it is hubris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 20 minute opening trolling promo from Hunter and Steph tomorrow that most will love. I think we are past that point here with the crowds. Reigns is dead as a babyface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yeah, the WWE will be fine. Who won't be fine is Roman Reigns. I believe this might be a road that he may never recover from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 What is more worrying for the company is the complete lack of star power in that match. They have zero depth whatsoever when the part timers are away and they have injuries. Unsurprising given the appalling booking of the midcard for years. No consistency, no sustained pushes, no long term plan with anyone, very few workers with natural charisma, terrible scripts when they do get to talk, losing and regaining faith in workers in the space of weeks leading to those with huge pushes becoming jobbers and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 WWE has been steadily losing business for years. Its time is coming. Utter rubbish. It is more profitable than ever. WWE lost more money this past year than WCW did in any year of its existence except for 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm not convinced Reigns will get booed tomorrow, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBscout Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Reigns should have been Goldberg but they fucked him all up. The YES shit is beyond fucking stupid and Bryan looks like an idiot. I wish he came back shaved head and only broke out the Yes shit for big moments. But WWE is booked for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Totally pathetic. Vince's death is the only small chance this company has to live at this point. I always laugh at hyperbolic posts like this. WWE will be alive for decades if not centuries, it is a huge multinational corporation with an incredibly loyal fanbase who tune in every week despite the consistently awful booking. Every person in this thread has probably vowed never to watch again after some terrible show that wasted their time or unfair treatment of a worker ofr awful booking decision. How many new fans are they getting though? How many kids tuning in for John Cena keep up with the product after they turn, say, 12 without the memories the older fans have that keep them loyal. A lot of kids probably are tuning out at age twelve. That is nothing new, all my friends did in 2001/2002 when we turned that age and the attitude era died down. They will always get new fans, especially the children of the adults who are fans. The product is still aimed towards the PG market, so they are likely content having children and diehards as the consistent fanbase. They know they can do virtually whatever and maintain steady ratings and revenue. The problem with your stance is that this is what companies say when the tide is slowly turning against them. "Don't worry about customer complaints guys, we've been around for years and will be for many years to come. We'll just keep doing what we do and eventually things will even out." Now, I'm not saying WWE will go out of business today, tomorrow, or even ten years from now. However, they are presently showing to be a company that is tone deaf when it comes to delivering a product their fans want to see. There's already been a slow trickle of fans online posting pics of their cancellation screens from the Network. They aren't making a difference now, but over time as fans continue to turn away and they continue to not make new fans things could get bad for them. Heck, WWE may be around forever, but is it really that hard to look at the history of the business world and not think that a company who is experiencing relatively rough times and continues to shit on their fans could possibly be heading towards a future where they go belly up? I don't think it is, and to dismiss it is hubris. WWE is way different from most companies. It has proved for years that it can survive and thrive despite shoddy booking that goes against the wishes of hardcore fans. They have exploited other forms of revenue and maximised the existing streams like advertising. This business is unique - TNA can survive for over a decade despite losing money and putting out an awful product, and they don't have half the infrastructure. Most of all there is zero competition and it is still a market that reaches out to millions. It is ridiculous hyperbole to say a booking decision like this will have any major effect of the future survival or even profitability of WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 What is more worrying for the company is the complete lack of star power in that match. They have zero depth whatsoever when the part timers are away and they have injuries. Unsurprising given the appalling booking of the midcard for years. No consistency, no sustained pushes, no long term plan with anyone, very few workers with natural charisma, terrible scripts when they do get to talk, losing and regaining faith in workers in the space of weeks leading to those with huge pushes becoming jobbers and vice versa. I think you're reading that all wrong. They have the stars, they have the talent that the fans have shown they want to get behind. The fans have cheered/booed vocally for Barrett, Ziggler, Cesaro, Rusev, Ambrose, and even Reigns once upon a time. Yet at the end of the match when most of them were in the ring the fans did not care. That's not really because of booking, it's because of a fan base that feels their cheers/boos don't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Totally pathetic. Vince's death is the only small chance this company has to live at this point. I always laugh at hyperbolic posts like this. WWE will be alive for decades if not centuries, it is a huge multinational corporation with an incredibly loyal fanbase who tune in every week despite the consistently awful booking. Every person in this thread has probably vowed never to watch again after some terrible show that wasted their time or unfair treatment of a worker ofr awful booking decision. How many new fans are they getting though? How many kids tuning in for John Cena keep up with the product after they turn, say, 12 without the memories the older fans have that keep them loyal. A lot of kids probably are tuning out at age twelve. That is nothing new, all my friends did in 2001/2002 when we turned that age and the attitude era died down. They will always get new fans, especially the children of the adults who are fans. The product is still aimed towards the PG market, so they are likely content having children and diehards as the consistent fanbase. They know they can do virtually whatever and maintain steady ratings and revenue. The problem with your stance is that this is what companies say when the tide is slowly turning against them. "Don't worry about customer complaints guys, we've been around for years and will be for many years to come. We'll just keep doing what we do and eventually things will even out." Now, I'm not saying WWE will go out of business today, tomorrow, or even ten years from now. However, they are presently showing to be a company that is tone deaf when it comes to delivering a product their fans want to see. There's already been a slow trickle of fans online posting pics of their cancellation screens from the Network. They aren't making a difference now, but over time as fans continue to turn away and they continue to not make new fans things could get bad for them. Heck, WWE may be around forever, but is it really that hard to look at the history of the business world and not think that a company who is experiencing relatively rough times and continues to shit on their fans could possibly be heading towards a future where they go belly up? I don't think it is, and to dismiss it is hubris. WWE is way different from most companies. It has proved for years that it can survive and thrive despite shoddy booking that goes against the wishes of hardcore fans. They have exploited other forms of revenue and maximised the existing streams like advertising. This business is unique - TNA can survive for over a decade despite losing money and putting out an awful product, and they don't have half the infrastructure. Most of all there is zero competition and it is still a market that reaches out to millions. It is ridiculous hyperbole to say a booking decision like this will have any major effect of the future survival or even profitability of WWE. They are losing even the casuals though. Ratings continue to drop, the Network continues to not show growth, live attendance continues to go down, PPV is dead for them, and they as a company are losing a lot of money. It's not this one decision, it's a string of them not listening to the fans that is catching up with them. It will most likely continue to stockpile, and it may be a downward spiral they can't stop, slow though it may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 They should turn Reigns. Brock is already getting babyface reactions and if they can't help but fuck over Roman by horribly booking him as a face, then turn him and at least have some fun with the boos. Hey, his real personality might show for once and he might find a legit character. I couldn't help but remember what they did with Lashley in 06' at the Elimination Chamber. The day Heyman left after Vince told him Punk and RVD where going to be the first eliminated so the crowd HAD to get behind Lashley as he was the only face left. That was 9 years ago, the lack of awareness from this company is something else sometimes. I wonder if Hunter buries creative when Austin interviews him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Rock is like "welp, that didn't work". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 WWE has been steadily losing business for years. Its time is coming. Utter rubbish. It is more profitable than ever. WWE lost more money this past year than WCW did in any year of its existence except for 2000. Stock is down and the rights were lower than expected...but this year is an anomaly with the network which lost them $50 million, and revenues are still huge. They still made a healthy operating profit as far as I can ascertain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 What is more worrying for the company is the complete lack of star power in that match. They have zero depth whatsoever when the part timers are away and they have injuries. Unsurprising given the appalling booking of the midcard for years. No consistency, no sustained pushes, no long term plan with anyone, very few workers with natural charisma, terrible scripts when they do get to talk, losing and regaining faith in workers in the space of weeks leading to those with huge pushes becoming jobbers and vice versa. I think you're reading that all wrong. They have the stars, they have the talent that the fans have shown they want to get behind. The fans have cheered/booed vocally for Barrett, Ziggler, Cesaro, Rusev, Ambrose, and even Reigns once upon a time. Yet at the end of the match when most of them were in the ring the fans did not care. That's not really because of booking, it's because of a fan base that feels their cheers/boos don't matter. Barrett, Cesaro and Rusev aren't 'stars'. They are solid midcard acts. Not sure there is much money to be made with any of them on top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm now worried for Mick Foley's major appliances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 What is more worrying for the company is the complete lack of star power in that match. They have zero depth whatsoever when the part timers are away and they have injuries. Unsurprising given the appalling booking of the midcard for years. No consistency, no sustained pushes, no long term plan with anyone, very few workers with natural charisma, terrible scripts when they do get to talk, losing and regaining faith in workers in the space of weeks leading to those with huge pushes becoming jobbers and vice versa. I think you're reading that all wrong. They have the stars, they have the talent that the fans have shown they want to get behind. The fans have cheered/booed vocally for Barrett, Ziggler, Cesaro, Rusev, Ambrose, and even Reigns once upon a time. Yet at the end of the match when most of them were in the ring the fans did not care. That's not really because of booking, it's because of a fan base that feels their cheers/boos don't matter. Barrett, Cesaro and Rusev aren't 'stars'. They are solid midcard acts. Not sure there is much money to be made with any of them on top. You're missing the point. The fans were reacting to them, the fans were, and probably still are, behind them. The Rumble wasn't dead because they aren't stars, it was dead because the fans had no reason to care, because they knew that yet again they weren't being listened to. So, they reacted with silence, and even the guys who they like and cheer/boo for were met with silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 WWE make $150 million annually from domestic television rights. The company still makes a healthy profit. It is the stock that fluctuates massively [As low as $8 and as high as $32 just in one year] giving the impression of a loss. The first quarter of 2014, WWE reported a $8-million loss because of the advent of the WWE Network, part of the new venture’s growing pains. That’s a quarterly loss. The company did not make a profit. Not good. Is there reason for concern or panic? Not right now. Prior, the company has been profiting consistently. The report also did not factor the new TV deal with NBCUniversal which increased WWE revenue about $60-million annually. That’s very important, and here’s why. Do the math. WWE lost $8-million for the quarter. There are four quarters in a year. Hypothetical, if WWE continued to lose $8-million a quarter because of the WWE Network, that’s a $32-million loss for the year. Not good. But factor the new TV deal raise of about $60-million annually. Take the $60-million gain and subtract the $32-million loss, and you still profit about $28-million for the year between the two. Via http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/fighting/article1964905.html#storylink=cpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yes, but how many times can they shift money around and do massive budget cuts before there is no budget left to cut and no money left to be shifted around? That's how companies go out of business, when they refuse to accept that change is needed and stay the course. Losing money year after year can only be held off for so long, especially in a field where much of your revenue is based on the viability of your product to sell advertisements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 There are rumors on twitter that fans are blocking wrestlers from leaving outside the arena. Good lord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yes, but how many times can they shift money around and do massive budget cuts before there is no budget left to cut and no money left to be shifted around? That's how companies go out of business, when they refuse to accept that change is needed and stay the course. Losing money year after year can only be held off for so long, especially in a field where much of your revenue is based on the viability of your product to sell advertisements. There is no huge change needed. They have lost money for one year, not year after year. It is completely false to say they are regularly losing money - they just negotiated the most lucrative television deal in their history. Hardly in trouble. As a company their income will comfortably cover their overheads. If the network continues to be mediocre or starts to flatline they will ditch it. They will cut costs and make the company leaner and more streamlined. They are an immensely stable, well structured company with an extremely loyal fanbase. Those sorts of companies don't just go out of business, barring major disasters and ineptitude. They have proven time and time again that bad booking is no barrier to profit and success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strand Peanut Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Did Daniel Bryan get chants until the end? Or did the crowd completely forget about him? Going into the show, I was wondering if we'd get a Mabel wins King Of The Ring call back. Philly and all. Were they hoping to manufacture YES! chants at the end ? ECW -> YES or something.. They had to know boos were coming. The whole thing reads strange. Maybe the booking dept should stop trying to work the crowd so much. That's the wrestler's job. That's where the heat should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yes, but how many times can they shift money around and do massive budget cuts before there is no budget left to cut and no money left to be shifted around? That's how companies go out of business, when they refuse to accept that change is needed and stay the course. Losing money year after year can only be held off for so long, especially in a field where much of your revenue is based on the viability of your product to sell advertisements. There is no huge change needed. They have lost money for one year, not year after year. It is completely false to say they are regularly losing money - they just negotiated the most lucrative television deal in their history. Hardly in trouble. If the network continues to be mediocre or starts to flatline they will ditch it. They will cut costs and make the company leaner and more streamlined. They are an immensely stable, well structured company with an extremely loyal fanbase. Those sorts of companies don't just go out of business, barring major disasters and ineptitude. They have proven time and time again that bad booking is no barrier to profit and success. Companies like that do go out of business, the world is littered with them. And if they ditch the Network then they are done as a company, they have tied their future into that service and there is no turning back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 It is huge news when a company as stable, popular and high revenue as WWE goes out of business. Rarely happens. The only thing they necessarily lack is a lot of traditional assets that they could sell off if they got in trouble. Most of their assets are things only of interest to the wrestling business like tape libraries, memorabilia, equipment etc, and there is no real buyer for that. And if they ditch the Network then they are done as a company, they have tied their future into that service and there is no turning back. Again, rubbish, 700,000 people bought Wrestlemania on PPV for $60 last year despite it being a sixth of the price on the Network, They could easily go back to a PPV model, although it might not be as profitable. Sorry, but WWE is not 'done as a company' if X happens. They will be around for our lifetime in some form or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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