Grimmas Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I love all you guys, but that Best Summerslam Ever show was super frustrating and frankly embarrassing at points. "I don't remember this, so it couldn't have been memorable" isn't a legit argument, especially when discussing shows over a decade old. Also taking into account region and generation, it may have been a good idea to have someone like JT on who grew up with these shows to counterbalance the opinions of 90's WWF. The double standard of having 2005 go to the second round due to a short Edge-Hardy match, an overrated Guerrero-Mysterio match, and a funny, but meaningless HBK/Hogan match and 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, and almost 2002 get roundly dismissed is ludicrous. 1989 has Brainbusters vs. Hart Foundation, Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior, and Martel/Rougeaus vs. Santana/Rockers which are all really fun or great. 1990 I'd put a level down, but the Powers and Glory vs. Jannetty, Demolition vs. Hart Foundation, Hogan vs Quake, and Warrior vs Rude are all worth watching, plus the return of evil Slaughter and Kerry vs. Perfect. 1993 is super underrated. Steiners vs. Heavenly Bodies, Gunns/Tatanka vs. Bigelow/Headshrinkers, and the Hart/Doink-Lawler saga are all top notch. The rest of the matches are all interesting whether it be Dibiase's last major WWF match, Luger and his story vs Yokozuna, Perfect-Shawn in an average battle or Ludvig Borga squashing Jannetty. 1995 deserves praise for the ladder match plus Hakushi vs Kid, Horowitz vs. Skip, and Hart vs. Yankem. None are MOTY contenders other than the ladder match, but it's a fun show. The 2002 talk pissed me off. That's a show that top to bottom is great and is the only Summerslam to win the WON Show of the Year. That's not the reason it should be number one, but it certainly talks to its reputation at the time and it holds up. Angle-Mysterio, Edge-Guerrero, Benoit-RVD (I don't DQ Benoit), Michaels-HHH, and Rock-Brock go up against any other major show. Plus that Test-Undertaker match is actually quite good. When the worst match on a 8 match show is either Flair-Jericho or Storm/Christian vs. Booker/Goldust, you know it's a good show. 1998 is overrated. I'm a 90's WWF guy but had the misfortune to drop out during my years between adolescence and teenager and missed 1998. When I went back to watch it without any sort of emotional connection, I found that show alright, but kinda boring. The Rock-HHH match is the ladder match version of the Hart Cage Match 4 years earlier. Plus lots of meh wrestling on the undercard. 2013 is good but there's literally nothing other than the top 3 matches and I like cards with more variety than 2 all-time great matches that take up one hour. Alberto-Christian is fine, but almost overrated due to people trying to make sure it's not overshadowed. Long rant aside, I wish you guys had at least made a playlist of 10-20 matches to revisit that sounded interesting, but had been forgotten before doing this. Actually enjoyed the show overall, but that's my two cents. 2013 trumps all other SummerSlams, because it has the two best matches in the history of SummerSlam as well as another top 20 match. No other show in WWE history has that string of great matches, regardless of the other stuff on the show. 2005 was over rated, but Mysterio-Eddie rules!!! I kind of agree that those shows you listed should be looked at more, but the main events were so shitty they make the whole card look bad. Plus I hate Shawn-HHH from 02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 19, 2015 Report Share Posted August 19, 2015 I think a major difference is I look at PPV's as a whole so the high peak of 2013 doesn't change the fact that I have no desire to rewatch that show. I'd watch Cena-Bryan right now, but would never go back and watch the whole show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I agree that 2013 is the best SummerSlam, but I would also agree that the lack of love for 2002 was surprising and I hate that HHH/HBK match. Everyone knows and likes Angle vs Mysterio Jr as the opener. I remember Flair vs Jericho as a surprisingly good old man Flair match. Not a blow away great match or anything, but I want to say there was some good limb work and Flair actually submitting someone with the figure 4 will always make me pop. Eddy vs Edge was another good solid match. I remember really liking the RVD match in 2002 as one of the better Van Dam matches. I won't be rewatching that match though and don't begrudge anyone who doesn't want to. Is this the match where Voldemort did the rolling northern lights suplex spot? Booker and Goldust vs Lance Storm and Christian was a really fun tag match with a super hot crowd. Good Goldust performance. Taker vs Test and HBK/HHH both sucked. Main event was great. I love the 1998 show for sure, but it was weird hearing all the talk about how it was a fun show up and down the card but the main event was a let down. 2002 had a really fun undercard and a terrific main event. HHH/HBK was bad but it didn't overwhelm the 7 matches I did like to varying degrees on the show. It sounds like I do need to go back and rewatch 2001 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Benoit vs RVD was great. Benoit just completely dismantled Van Dam and forced him to work as a sympathetic babyface and he was surprisingly good at it. Plus it contained one of the rarest visuals in all of wrestling. Van Dam's ponytail came undone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Some of us never want to watch a Benoit match again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliott Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Some of us never want to watch a Benoit match again. Honestly I'm in this boat and so it makes it weird to pimp 2002 because I remember thinking that match was really good at the time. Even if you disregard that match, and hate HHH/HBK and Taker/Test, I really think there's enough on that show that makes it a really good show with the fun opener, tag, and main event. I would recommend WIll rewatch it but skip the 6th, 7th, and 8th matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 2002 was when i was the least invested in the product and I thought everything was OK but the opener and the main stuck out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Despite all the Kamala bashing, this was another top-notch show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 A couple of more shows to help make you sick of my voice.... Good Will Wrestling: Building the Perfect SummerSlam Will is joined by a couple of Canadians, Dave Musgrave (Wrestling Culture) and Steven Graham (Pro Wrestling Supershow), as we build the best possible SummerSlam. What Intercontinental Title match would we choose? What World Title would be at stake? Which Bret Hart match do we choose? Does Hulk Hogan even make the final card? Listen and find out! http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-building-the-perfect-summerslam/ PTBN’s Main Event – Episode #41: Biggest Wrestling Weekend of the Summer! It’s party time in Brooklyn as the newest Main Event as WIll, Riche, JD and Ben (oh and Scott’s in there somewhere) break down the three big shows of the weekend: ROH and NXT on Saturday, and of course Summerslam on Sunday. So sit back, and enjoy the banter of Summerslam Weekend on the Main Event! http://placetobenation.com/ptbns-main-event-episode-41-biggest-wrestling-weekend-of-the-summer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 I'm still sticking to 2001 as my favorite Summerslam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happ Hazzard Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Parv, the reason SummerSlam '88 was rated 15 over here is because of Ron Bass attacking Brutus Beefcake with spurs not because of Liz showing her pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingSavage Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Unfortunately, I haven't had a lot of free time for podcasts lately... so my playlist is stacking up with these shows. Loved the WM week we got from ya, Will... and I'm definitely looking forward to devouring these soon. Stoked with the amount of quality content you guys have been producing. I feel almost greedy to ask, but will we be getting reaction shows to this big weekend's events? With my schedule being what it is until Labor Day, I'm pretty much slammed and won't be able to catch any of 'em in real time. Gonna have to pick & choose what I go back and watch first, and so I generally use your reaction shows to create my priority watch list from first to last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Parv, I found it interesting where you were talking about how you viewed wrestling through the years, seeing as you are from England. I am an Australian, and we had a similar thing happen with wrestling being on tv at ridiculous hours of the early morning. At times, it'd be shown at the more fan friendly time of midnight, so I would stay up for my weekly dose of WWF squash matches on a Friday night, but sometimes it would be bumped for the golf or tennis. I was not a happy boy on those occasions. No announcement was ever made the week before and no explanation was ever given either. As for hiring VHS tapes, 6 months after the show happened, seemed to be about the mark for Australian fans seeing a show. And if you didn't get a copy the day of release, you would sometimes have to wait a few more days while other fans had their way with the tape. The bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Good Will Wrestling: Mr. SummerSlam Will is joined by Johnny Sorrow (Titans of Wrestling), JT and Scott (Place to Be Nation) to discuss the best SummerSlam performer of all time… Mr. SummerSlam! Who made the most out of the fewest appearances? Who hit a home run almost every time? Who is the anti- Mr. SummerSlam? Tune in and find out!!! http://placetobenation.com/good-will-wrestling-mr-summerslam/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Parv, I found it interesting where you were talking about how you viewed wrestling through the years, seeing as you are from England. I am an Australian, and we had a similar thing happen with wrestling being on tv at ridiculous hours of the early morning. At times, it'd be shown at the more fan friendly time of midnight, so I would stay up for my weekly dose of WWF squash matches on a Friday night, but sometimes it would be bumped for the golf or tennis. I was not a happy boy on those occasions. No announcement was ever made the week before and no explanation was ever given either. As for hiring VHS tapes, 6 months after the show happened, seemed to be about the mark for Australian fans seeing a show. And if you didn't get a copy the day of release, you would sometimes have to wait a few more days while other fans had their way with the tape. The bastards. I like hearing Parv's view about wrestling when he was growing up because his experience is somewhat similar to mine, even if I was growing up literally on the opposite side of the same continent (Spain). Summerslam 93 was also the first show where I was the only kid in class that gave a shit. Survivor Series the year before had some buzz and Wrestlemania just a little. They didn't even do a special 2 hr show for it and just chopped up some matches and put them in the regular Superstars timeslot. About four or five months later WWE was off national TV for about a decade. We didn't have stores that carried wrestling tapes so we'd have to wait for half a year to get the new releases- first for the Silver Vision UK release to make it to the catalogue and then a couple of months between making the order and the tape actually arriving. I had a rich friend whose family owned a lot of vineyards so I guess that I was lucky that I got to see most of those commercial tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 And the "Dave Musgrave Memorial Quote Award" goes to... On Summer Slam 1990: "Kerry Von Erich was on his last legs". Good one, Will. Not sure if it was intentional or not, as nobody followed up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Dave drops so many of those one-liners out, you miss them occasionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Dynamite Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Great series of shows. Thanks. They got me way more excited for this year's SummerSlam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Dave drops so many of those one-liners out, you miss them occasionally. It's just not on podcasts, that is what it is like to hang out with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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