Loss Posted July 14, 2006 Report Posted July 14, 2006 I know at one point, the WCW braintrust didn't like the fact that Muta was upstaging the good ol' American wrasslers and they pretty much jobbed out anyone Japanese. Didn't they tell him and Chono to half-ass a match in 1991 as so not to upstage anyone? This was Bill Watts in '92, who thought it would make the WCW guys look bad if they were being upstaged by an outsider.
Guest Josh Posted July 14, 2006 Report Posted July 14, 2006 I thought they wanted to turn Muta face and Hart convinced him to refuse or something along those lines.I've read that Muta was starting to get babyface reactions and at one point they considered turning him face but wussed out of it because it was a relatively radical booking idea at the time. Well, for WCW, anyway. Looking at the way they exploited him at the end of his run there, I wouldn't have thought Muta had the sway to be refusing to do anything.
Strummer Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 I like how at WC some poster noted that Flair looked in horrible shape on Tuesday at ECW and Meltzer gets all pissy and says that Flair was just "selling". Listen I liked the match a lot and Flair is Flair but he is in bad shape now and is usually gasping for air 2 minutes in. I'm actually scared he is going to have a heart attack.The Meltz won't ever give an inch with Flair
Guest KingPK Posted July 16, 2006 Report Posted July 16, 2006 So I watched a bit of SNME tonight. Some thoughts: - Trish with curls and in that gear = Yum - The DX match was a waste and pretty much deep sixes the Spirit Squad as Vince's "muscle". - The main event was a copout (which is a bit excusable since the big blowoff is at SummerSlam and this was just part of the build), but why couldn't they end the show after Edge's spear? I actually didn't mind the booking of Lita saving Edge's ass (though the match needed to go like 10 more minutes). Why did Cena have to come back and do that FU through the table which could have been a big spot in the SummerSlam match? - I've noticed that whenever I tune into a WWE show, I watch the backstage and in-ring promos, but I turn the channel when they actually start wrestling. That's not good, is it?
Strummer Posted July 16, 2006 Report Posted July 16, 2006 Nothing sets off the IWC more than when a big monster stiff gets injured. Mark Henry destroyed his knee tonight and will miss 4-6 months. Cue the jokes. Well they've already started.
Mad Dog Posted July 16, 2006 Report Posted July 16, 2006 It must be getting really bad in OVW if Seth Skyfire is main eventing shows now. I've never seen anything special in him as a worker.
sek69 Posted July 16, 2006 Report Posted July 16, 2006 It must be getting really bad in OVW if Seth Skyfire is main eventing shows now. I've never seen anything special in him as a worker. Seth Skyfire is the Tommy Dreamer of OVW. He got the belt because there was no one else after Jeter, Albright, Punk, Doane, and Nemeth all got called up.
Mad Dog Posted July 16, 2006 Report Posted July 16, 2006 He's only the Television Champ still. The match he beat Punk in was only to face Misterio and the belt wasn't actually on the line. He and Punk had a rematch for the title this week and Punk beat him to retain this time around. Someone on another board is kind enough to post the OVW show every Sunday afternoon.
Mad Dog Posted July 16, 2006 Report Posted July 16, 2006 SNME BOMBS BADLY IN THE RATINGS by Dave Scherer @ 3:49:00 PM on 7/16/2006 Ouch. There is no other way to put it but ouch. Going against almost no legitimate broadcast programming last night, Saturday Night's Main Event finished dead last among the four networks in its time slot, doing just a 2.7 fast national rating. The final number, which will be out next week, will not differ much from this because unlike what happens with Smackdown, there were very few preemptions of the show. So, it appears that this show will do much worse than the March edition, which was a huge disappointment at a 3.1. http://pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=19151&p=1
Guest Bruiser Chong Posted July 18, 2006 Report Posted July 18, 2006 Hey, what happened to that Chris Harvard guy. I know he had issues from that concussion, but I haven't heard about him in years.
sek69 Posted July 18, 2006 Report Posted July 18, 2006 His in ring career is all but over due to post concussion syndrome, he still does their Smackdown Your Vote stuff around election time.
Guest Bruiser Chong Posted July 18, 2006 Report Posted July 18, 2006 This was a result of that nasty spot in the Rumble, right?
sek69 Posted July 18, 2006 Report Posted July 18, 2006 Among others. I believe he came back too soon from one concussion and ended up with another.
sek69 Posted July 18, 2006 Report Posted July 18, 2006 So, after the ECW match with Big Show, is Ric Flair offically the new Terry Funk now with the "classic wrestler becomes a crazy old man who bleeds a lot?". He's an exploding deathmatch away from stealing Terry's gimmick it seems.
Strummer Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 I was watching Survivor Series 88 a couple days ago and during the Main Event (Hogan/Savage/Hercules/Koko/Hillbilly Jim v Bossman/Akeem/Rooster/Dibiase/Haku), Gorilla Monsoon refers to Ted Dibiase as the "Excellence of Execution". Very weird to hear that term not associated with Bret. Very weird.
Al Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 I got the same vibe watching Andre the Giant referred to as "The Big Boss Man" by Vince McMahon.
sek69 Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Just watched ECW on Sci-Fi, and I don't get what everyone's bitching about. It seemed like Perfectly Acceptable Wrestling, I don't see what gets everyone so up in arms other than it not living up to the romanticed memories of a group that really wasn't as good as everyone seems to think it was. I loved Heyman giving Dreamer the Kiss of Death, but I'm sure the WWE writing team will end up spinning this into a "Heyman is gay" angle.
sek69 Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Watching the Brian Pillman RAW, and during the ten bell salute the camera focused on Owen Hart, Rick Rude, and Hawk. Oof. *edit* ....and then Vince mentions in the next segment that they're in the Kemper Arena in Kansas City. Double Oof.
Marty Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 I was watching Survivor Series 88 a couple days ago and during the Main Event (Hogan/Savage/Hercules/Koko/Hillbilly Jim v Bossman/Akeem/Rooster/Dibiase/Haku), Gorilla Monsoon refers to Ted Dibiase as the "Excellence of Execution". Very weird to hear that term not associated with Bret. Very weird. I think Monsoon also called someone else that too as well, long before Bret got that nickname. I'm thinking Dynamite Kid, but I need to rewatch some matches just to be sure.
Bix Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 I'm pretty sure Gorilla said Tito and/or Orton had Excellence of Execution, too.
Mad Dog Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 So I've seen a few of Cody Runnels OVW matches. He's still really green but he's showing a massive amount of charisma. They're being really smart with his push so far. Short matches where he sells a lot.
Strummer Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 Just watched ECW on Sci-Fi, and I don't get what everyone's bitching about. It seemed like Perfectly Acceptable Wrestling, I don't see what gets everyone so up in arms other than it not living up to the romanticed memories of a group that really wasn't as good as everyone seems to think it was. I loved Heyman giving Dreamer the Kiss of Death, but I'm sure the WWE writing team will end up spinning this into a "Heyman is gay" angle. It is really quite mind-boggling. It's the worst at TSM where the board has been flooded with ECW marks who are basically claiming that every ECW match was **** and that everyone involved in the promotion was flawless. I'm starting to think more and more that a lot of the so called "smart" wrestling fans really just want to see wall to wall spotfests. I have no problem with that just as long as they would admit it already.
Mad Dog Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 The worst part of this wave of ECW marks is that most of them never even watched ECW when it was on. It's the cool thing to be an ECW mutant right now.
Loss Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 People who loved the original vision of ECW so much should have bought all the PPVs, attended all the shows, etc. and really supported the group when it was around. It always struck me as really lame when "ECW" chants start in arenas, because if they loved the company that much, why wasn't ECW drawing? At least WCW was a national powerhouse and had a few really great years, both in terms of quality and making money. It's amazing how WWE has trained the casuals to think of ECW as a bigger deal than WCW. BTW, I totally agreed with a recent Observer item where Vince said the reason the ECW name got over is because of the way WWE has marketed it in the past five years. Like him or not, he's spot on about that.
Bix Posted July 19, 2006 Report Posted July 19, 2006 This week's Observer is really great. 1st half is largely analysis and it's really interesting stuff. The big point in it all is that Pride is most likely going to die within a few months. Meltzer points out that the UFC brass are smart enough not to risk Pride making waves off of a Silva win over Liddell, so they must know Pride is about to die so they have no worries.
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