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[Strummer]

That was a great segment with Vince and Bret to close RAW but it's clear there is no way Bret is going to be able to work a match at mania

 

He looked scared to death when Batista grabbed a hold of him

 

They could go Cena/Bret v Batista/Vince with Bret doing a few big sequences or just have Bret and Vince in the corners

[KrisZ]

Yeah the tag match is where they are heading with Cena starting it last week and Dave making his entry tonight.

[Bix]

Cole's call of Bret attacking Vince was the worst thing he's ever done.

 

Also, it looked like Batista was trying to powerbomb Bret, which was odd.

[sek69]

It looked like big Dave forgot the no head bumps rule with Bret and was trying to powerbomb him until it was obvious that Bret was sandbagging so he couldn't do it.

[rovert]

I was fucking dreading the Batista Bomb

[Marty]

Cole's call of Bret attacking Vince was the worst thing he's ever done.

 

Also, it looked like Batista was trying to powerbomb Bret, which was odd.

I think they were teasing a Batista bomb only with Bret managing to stop it.

 

Really good final segment. Bret's promo was really good. I think Vince's was good too, but it seemed like Vince executed it okay enough so that it didn't overtake Bret's in terms of quality, execution and emotion.

[S.L.L.]

Not that it's intentional or anything, but I do find it somewhat interesting that in the midst of Bret's big heroic comeback, they're now starting to book Shawn Michaels as an unsympathetic whiner.

[MikeCampbell]

So after three years of Vince basically pissing on its name, ECW is finally going to be buried once and for all and turned into WWE NXT.

[Eduardo]

So after three years of Vince basically pissing on its name, ECW is finally going to be buried once and for all and turned into WWE NXT.

How was Vince and WWE pissing on its name? In 2008 and 2009 it was probably the best pro wrestling show on TV (although I'm sure it was unintentional).

[rovert]

So after three years of Vince basically pissing on its name, ECW is finally going to be buried once and for all and turned into WWE NXT.

How was Vince and WWE pissing on its name? In 2008 and 2009 it was probably the best pro wrestling show on TV (although I'm sure it was unintentional).

 

Ask Tommy Dreamer THIS is why he left

[sek69]

WWE was insulting the legacy of ECW by paying guys with checks that didn't bounce and having a Wellness Policy.

[S.L.L.]

WWE was insulting the legacy of ECW by paying guys with checks that didn't bounce and having a Wellness Policy.

Don't forget having good matches that will actually hold up on tape if you're sober and pushing actual talented wrestlers at the top of the card. Ask Tommy Dreamer. THIS is why he left. After they gave him a bigger main event push than the original ECW ever gave their "heart and soul". And gave him a big, emotional farewell, even though he was rumored to be jumping to TNA. Seldom do I defend the humanity and decency of WWE management, but there you go.

 

Seriously, is there some reason why people expect wrestling promotions in 2010 to be run exactly the same as they were in the mid-to-late-90's? Do we need to start a new WrestlingClassics board for a new generation of fans to talk about how much better things were back in the good old days?

[rovert]

Seriously, is there some reason why people expect wrestling promotions in 2010 to be run exactly the same as they were in the mid-to-late-90's? Do we need to start a new WrestlingClassics board for a new generation of fans to talk about how much better things were back in the good old days?

 

Damn kids cheering Cena *shakes fist*

[MikeCampbell]

Actually, I was referring to the fact that WWE has always treated ECW as little more than a third rate brand. Anyone who manages to get over winds up being sent to Raw or SD (Punk and Bourne for instance). The yearly draft usually winds up with ECW getting the leftovers who've basically run out of steam on Raw or SD, Goldust, Regal, Shelton, Rosa Mendez, Zack Ryder.

 

BTW, I'm not complaining about the name change at all. I think it's a good idea, since ECW was always more or less a developmental place with national TV.

[El-P]

Will they keep the "world" title though ?

[kjh]

I posted this on Cageside Seats and it's worth saying here:

 

To be fair to Tommy Dreamer, what was WWE going to do with him after they scrapped ECW other than wish him well on his future endeavors? He wouldn’t fit in with the branding of the new show and if they saw him as a talent that was good enough to use on Raw and Smackdown, he wouldn’t have retired and taken the talent relations job in 2004. Tommy Dreamer wasn’t much of a mark for quitting a job he was going to lose soon anyway. If anything, he was a much bigger mark almost 4 years ago when he quit his office job to come back as a full time wrestler of an inevitably doomed reincarnation of the promotion he became a star in.

[Sean Liska]

I posted this on Cageside Seats and it's worth saying here:

 

To be fair to Tommy Dreamer, what was WWE going to do with him after they scrapped ECW other than wish him well on his future endeavors? He wouldn’t fit in with the branding of the new show and if they saw him as a talent that was good enough to use on Raw and Smackdown, he wouldn’t have retired and taken the talent relations job in 2004. Tommy Dreamer wasn’t much of a mark for quitting a job he was going to lose soon anyway. If anything, he was a much bigger mark almost 4 years ago when he quit his office job to come back as a full time wrestler of an inevitably doomed reincarnation of the promotion he became a star in.

Eh, he got to spend 4 1/2 extra years doing something he loved rather than sit in an office and stare at a clock. I think it's a nice story. Now he can go hang out with his friends in TNA and get some more ring time. Hopefully he left WWE on decent terms and can get another desk job when his in-ring career is over.

[Bob Morris]

As I remember, the talk when ECW was "brought back" was because of the success of the ECW One Night Only PPV, with the question being why one would do that because the ECW loyalists would want nothing to do with a version of ECW that differed from the original promotion.

 

Not that I'm saying it was a bad thing for WWE to rebrand ECW into something different. Really, it didn't bother me that much that WWE brought back ECW and turned it into something that wasn't like the original... better to appeal to the loyalist through the DVD market.

[S.L.L.]

Actually, I was referring to the fact that WWE has always treated ECW as little more than a third rate brand. Anyone who manages to get over winds up being sent to Raw or SD (Punk and Bourne for instance). The yearly draft usually winds up with ECW getting the leftovers who've basically run out of steam on Raw or SD, Goldust, Regal, Shelton, Rosa Mendez, Zack Ryder.

 

BTW, I'm not complaining about the name change at all. I think it's a good idea, since ECW was always more or less a developmental place with national TV.

Well, be fair, what exactly was the original ECW? It was a third-rate promotion. Anyone who got over wound up being signed by the WWF or WCW. ECW would in turn get many of the leftovers who had basically run out of steam in the Big Two. And, of course, they were receiving financial backing from McMahon. So the they new ECW was basically being treated the same as the old ECW, but with a higher profile and their position relative to the new "Big Two" being made official.

[smkelly]

I was fucking dreading the Batista Bomb

Same here.

[Sean Liska]

Actually, I was referring to the fact that WWE has always treated ECW as little more than a third rate brand. Anyone who manages to get over winds up being sent to Raw or SD (Punk and Bourne for instance). The yearly draft usually winds up with ECW getting the leftovers who've basically run out of steam on Raw or SD, Goldust, Regal, Shelton, Rosa Mendez, Zack Ryder.

 

BTW, I'm not complaining about the name change at all. I think it's a good idea, since ECW was always more or less a developmental place with national TV.

Well, be fair, what exactly was the original ECW? It was a third-rate promotion. Anyone who got over wound up being signed by the WWF or WCW. ECW would in turn get many of the leftovers who had basically run out of steam in the Big Two. And, of course, they were receiving financial backing from McMahon. So the they new ECW was basically being treated the same as the old ECW, but with a higher profile and their position relative to the new "Big Two" being made official.

 

The financial backing from McMahon thing is over-stated. Wasn't it just Heyman getting a grand per week? Meltzer has gone into the numbers in better detail.

[Bix]

Yeah, Heyman just got a relatively small consulting fee. The loan in 2000 was to avoid a lawsuit and maybe obtain primary creditor status once HHG and Heyman went bankrupt.

[S.L.L.]

I was just piling stuff on at that point, but yeah.

[smkelly]

Was it me, or did Vince's eye look swollen after Bret started pummeling him?

 

Also, any thoughts on Bret's ability to perform? I wonder if he will be able to compete again, and at a high level.

I had a heat stroke, which is different than a normal stroke, but after a few years I was able to perform athletically near the same level I had before.

[kjh]

Eh, he got to spend 4 1/2 extra years doing something he loved rather than sit in an office and stare at a clock. I think it's a nice story. Now he can go hang out with his friends in TNA and get some more ring time. Hopefully he left WWE on decent terms and can get another desk job when his in-ring career is over.

I can see your point of view, but there's been way too many guys who didn't know when to quit in wrestling. He's probably feeling the consequences of all those extra bumps now and it will only be worse in years to come. We can wax romantically about him doing what he loved doing, but pragmatically it wasn't a smart decision.