Loss Posted August 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Who are the two exceptions? The top draws in WWE all have more than 8 years in the business. In the past, Bischoff has said that Goldberg and Rock are the only two guys of the modern era to draw without having at least 8 years of experience, so that's probably what he meant. In Bischoff's world, Goldberg and Rock are still current stars. This just reminds me that TNA signed Jeff Hardy, who was probably hotter than even Cena or Rey at the time he left WWE, and I seriously doubt if Eric even knew that he was a successful headliner, based on the card placement since he's come in. He's not unique in running with a pat hand too long, but usually, the promoters who have been guilty of that can admit fault and realize that wrestling has newer stars a decade and a half later. I don't think if Bill Watts had started promoting in 2000 again that he would have tried to bring in Dick Slater and JYD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 I don't think if Bill Watts had started promoting in 2000 again that he would have tried to bring in Dick Slater and JYD. I should hope not, as the only way he was bringing in JYD in the year 2000 was in a hearse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Bischoff calling other people a mark never gets old. It's always fun watching people that don't get their own jokes based on their own behavior. It's not like he's wrong that RoH is basically an overblown vanity project (which isn't to say many of their workers over the years haven't been talents, and the transition to NEW PEOPLE BAD isn't even worth going over). But Bischoff's pattern in the business indicates he's probably as big a mark for the bullshit he feeds himself as anyone the business in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 It appears that his failure to turn TNA into a viable competitor has caused everyone to notice Emperor Eric has no clothes. Nothing left for him to do now but last out at promotions designed to be small and mock them for it. Hell, I'd wager ROH is probably still turning somewhat of a profit while all Eric's been able to do with TNA is to get them further indebted to Spike. Come to think about it, we really shouldn't be surprised his whole game plan boiled down to "get the TV network to pay the contracts for all the big names". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Wow Lance Cade passed away. Cant wait for the touching WWE tribute of he worked for the company from this date to this date. Cade claimed that WWE refused him rehab didnt he? Not the best thing considering they refused Kanyon rehab albeit for psychological problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 No, he did go to rehab, but... He said in mid-December, John Laurinaitis told him they were going to bring him to the main roster, possibly for ECW, but he was having problems going through pain killer withdrawal, and it was keeping him awake. He said that led to getting hooked on sleeping pills, so he called the office and asked to be put into rehab. He went into and completed his rehab. He said in early March, Michaels told him he was done and would never be used as a top guy. He complained it was contradictory to fire him because he asked to get help for a sleeping pill problem and that his injuries that led to his pill problems stemmed from working in WWE. He was upset saying that most guys let their problems worsen for fear of losing their spot, but he tried to help himself, and was fired for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawmic Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Wow Lance Cade passed away. Cant wait for the touching WWE tribute of he worked for the company from this date to this date. Cade claimed that WWE refused him rehab didnt he? Not the best thing considering they refused Kanyon rehab albeit for psychological problems. I don't remember him saying they refused him rehab. He did a long delusional interview with Mike Johnson 2-3 months ago about it. He said in December he was having bad withdrawal from some pain pills he was taking and couldn't sleep for days. So he asked if he could go to rehab to get his sleeping pattern back. When he got out of rehab Shawn Michaels told him they were never going to bring him back to the roster and a few weeks later he was fired. He also blamed his whole addiction to pills on a match he had in 2007 where he got hurt by a reckless wrestler and blamed WWE for putting him in the position to have a match with that person. The match in question was a 3-way with London/Kendrick and Holly/Rhodes. I guess it could have been Holly being a prick or London/Kendrick being fucked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 My mistake. Sad loss RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 What is the source for his passing away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 What is the source for his passing away? I guess this is offical as any: World Wrestling Entertainment was informed Friday morning by Lance McNaught’s father that he has passed away of apparent heart failure. WWE extends its deepest condolences to the McNaught family. Mr. McNaught was under contract from March 2003 to October 2008 and performed under the name "Lance Cade." He returned to FCW, WWE’s developmental territory, in September 2009, and was released in April 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawmic Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 What is the source for his passing away? I guess this is offical as any: World Wrestling Entertainment was informed Friday morning by Lance McNaught’s father that he has passed away of apparent heart failure. WWE extends its deepest condolences to the McNaught family. Mr. McNaught was under contract from March 2003 to October 2008 and performed under the name "Lance Cade." He returned to FCW, WWE’s developmental territory, in September 2009, and was released in April 2010. What's with the March 2003 start date? He was hired in February 2000, reported to Memphis in July 2000 and was there until he went to HWA in 2001 and then OVW. Never was released anytime in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 So as long as Linda is a candidate every obituary will include the line, "...and was released..."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 http://www.fightlawyerblog.com/2010/08/pro...to-alabama.html Time to play the guessing game with these initals: R O K A (named as Kurt Angle) M B J H J H (again) O G B H (named as Bob "Holly" Howard) E G S H Mostly seem to be the Phil Astin Allstars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slickster Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 RO Randy Orton MB Matt Bloom (A-Train) JH Jeff Hardy? JH John Heidenreich EG Eddie Guerrero If Billy Kidman's middle initial was O I'd suspect him as OG given the time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 OG = Oscar Gutierrez = Rey Mysterio Also I'd guess KA = Ken Anderson aka Mr. Kennedy and SH probably = Shane Helms. edit: didn't notice the timeframe, KA would have to be Angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 Helms is Gregory Helms so SH probably = Sean "O'Haire" Haire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slickster Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 Sean O'Haire doesn't match the timeframe since he was released in April 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 J.H. could be John Hennigan (Morrison). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 According to wiki, O'Haire did some indies and Japan after WWE. Interestingly he had a fight in K-1 on 4-30-2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Question for any legal buffs who might be reading: Dixie's YouShoot mentions that TNA contracted talent cannot work indy shows that will be sold as mass retail DVDs, which is a stipulation from TNA's DVD distribution company. This allows the Motor City Machine Guns to work feds like ROH and PWG. Let's say that in five years, ROH tries another shot at selling DVDs at the mass retail level. Would they be legally allowed to include a Machine Guns match if they're still with TNA? Could ROH get sued by TNA or TNA's DVD distributor? Could TNA get sued for letting the Guns work that fed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 While it sucks that another young wrestler has died from the business, it makes me think of the reasons why he died. I realize his addiction to pain killers, and other drugs attributed to his untimely demise, but I wonder if there is a trend with all of these young workers dying. Back in the hey day of wrestling (territories) guys like Flair, Race, Steamboat, etc barely missed any time with in-ring injuries. They were brought up through hard-nosed camps, worked the territories, and partied like legends. I'm wondering if the lack of intensive training from old dudes like Robinson and Gagne and the aforementioned territory work has diminished the likelihood of a long career. Taking a look at the WWE roster, almost every main event player has been sidelined with serious injuries. EX: Edge - Broken neck, various muscles torn. Orton - Collar bone and shoulder problems. Cena - Neck and pectoral injuries. Has the territories and old school wrestling aided the early demises of many wrestlers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 I think more likely is that the current style emphasizes FAR more hard bumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Scrapdaddy hits the scrapheap Ring of Honor and booker Adam Pearce parted ways earlier today in what sources what told me was a decision made by ROH owner Cary Silkin. Pearce took over the book for the promotion in October 2008 after the departure of Gabe Sapolsky. One source has told me that Delirious, with heavy input from Jim Cornette, will be handling the booking for the company going forward. I have not 100% confirmed that but it is making the rounds. I have left word for Cary Silkin and hope to get some sort of official comment when possible. Credit: PWInsider Cant see Adam ever making the bookers with undeserved bad reps thread, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 So basically Cornette is booking because what kind of experience does Delirious have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Guys what is this about Buddy Wayne being too sick to go to Bryan Alverez's wedding? Does anyone know how bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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