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[Cox]

Matt Farmer posted this at WC:

 

Here's a story about how the Mexican wrestlers were treated. When the Villanos were in WCW, they worked a tag match with Raven and Chris Kanyon. Kanyon screwed up a neck breaker and broke Villano IV's neck. After the match he complained about the injury but no one took him seriously. He went out off to the side of the arena to be alone, and started having problems breathing and passed out.

 

The Grappler, Len Denton was there working TV too and saw him. He helped recesitate him and get help for him. Neither knew eachother, but about 5 years later we were working some lucha shows and they saw each other. Tomas (Villano) was so happy and thanked him time after time for the help.

Nothing says "WCW" more than Villano IV almost dying because nobody believed he was hurt.

[Boondocks Kernoodle]

Quick edit after checking his Wikipedia entry: "Batista tried out at the WCW Power Plant but was told he would never make it in the wrestling business by Sgt. Buddy Lee Parker.[14]" - Maybe I'm not losing my mind.

 

Edit #2: On page 62 of his book: "Forget it," he told us. "You guys are out of here. You're done. You'll never be professional wrestlers. You don't have the fucking heart. Get out of my class."

I don't see what's so bad about this.

 

By standards of wrestling school stories it's pretty tame, but it's just an example of how the "asshole trainer" mentality can keep a potential superstar away from you. Not that I think Batista necessarily would have been a star in WCW. He probably wouldn't have been pushed any more than Ron Reis. But he was a guy with potential who was sent packing because Braun the Leprechaun had to show them who the REAL MAN was.

[ohtani's jacket]

Seems to me like it's just part of getting a break, making it, whatever you want to call it. I dunno if Big Dave showed any potential back then, but you'd have to think it worked out better for him in the long run than if he'd stuck with those power plant guys.

 

Perhaps the power plant guys fucked up, but there's a pretty long line of agents, talent scouts, promoters and producers who've done the same. As far as wrestling goes, NJPW didn't want Kawada. Liger bummed his way to Mexico to get a gig. AJW rejected Ozaki and Kansai. Megumi Kudo was a kindygarden teacher before breaking back into the business.

 

Picking talent's not an easy thing to do, even when it's your job. Nobody gets molly coddled in other walks of life, so I'm at a loss to how people think wrestlers should be trained.

[Resident Evil]

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Picking talent's not an easy thing to do, even when it's your job. Nobody gets molly coddled in other walks of life, so I'm at a loss to how people think wrestlers should be trained.

In whatever way that allows an IWC poster to think they can make it.

[Cox]

Quick edit after checking his Wikipedia entry: "Batista tried out at the WCW Power Plant but was told he would never make it in the wrestling business by Sgt. Buddy Lee Parker.[14]" - Maybe I'm not losing my mind.

 

Edit #2: On page 62 of his book: "Forget it," he told us. "You guys are out of here. You're done. You'll never be professional wrestlers. You don't have the fucking heart. Get out of my class."

I don't see what's so bad about this.

 

There may not be anything bad about this per se, but it is probably an excellent example of why, in all of the years the Power Plant existed, what with national television exposure to attract students and what have you, that the only star wrestler it churned out was Bill Goldberg, and I think the only wrestlers currently active on any sort of national basis are Chuck Palumbo and Mark Jindrak.

[tomk]

There may not be anything bad about this per se, but it is probably an excellent example of why, in all of the years the Power Plant existed, what with national television exposure to attract students and what have you, that the only star wrestler it churned out was Bill Goldberg, and I think the only wrestlers currently active on any sort of national basis are Chuck Palumbo and Mark Jindrak.

Guys who came out of Power Plant with current roles in the WWE : Big Show, Jamie Knoble, Chuck Palumbo, and Jimmy Wayne Yang.

 

TNA recently released Rellik and Elix Skipper and I don't really count Sharmell as Power Plant trainee.

 

I can't think of any ex-Power Planters working NJ or AJ currently. But honestly the Power Plant has been closed for almost nine years. Yeah Jeff Farmer is no longer getting New Japan bookings but I think that has more to do with his age and the way NJ is currently using Americans than some failure in the way they trained.

 

In 2004 Ultimo Dragon was inducted into the WON HOF. One of key points to his candidacy was his training ability at a point when none of his trainees had done anything outside his own vanity fed. I joked at the time that Pez Whatley and Parker were better candidates. In 2004 ex power planters included: Goldberg then the WWE champ, Bob Sapp then the IWGP champ (and biggest money draw in the world), Horshu and Jindrak who were seconding Angle and New Japan and All Japan were filled with ex- Power Plant grads in pushed roles.

 

That was five years ago.

 

The Power Plant has been closed for almost nine years now and has about five guys who still have role in major mainstream promotions (WWE and EMLL).

 

I'm not the biggest fan of the guys who came out of Power Plant. I thought the HWA trained workers had better fundamentals. But for HWA trained guys who still have active role in wrestling today all I can come up with is Shark Boy in TNA and Nigel Mcguinness in ROH (Whitmer is taking time off and well Chad Collyer is working small time shows in England). I'm trying to come up with guys who trained in OVW eight years ago who still have role in wrestling today. Henry, Cade, Kaz Hayashi and Yang were in OVW around that time but I think Henry is only one who you could call a OVW trainee.

[Cox]

Big Show was trained by Larry Sharpe at the Monster Factory before going to the Power Plant, so I don't count him as a Power Plant guy. Jamie Noble was trained by Dean Malenko, not a Power Plant guy. Jimmy Yang was a Power Plant guy I forgot since he really wasn't cut from the Power Plant mold.

[tomk]

Batista went to Afa's school. He is an OVW graduate. Festus worked some Pennsylvania indies, he's still a product of WWE developmental. Having some training elsewhere doesn't make anyone less of a graduate. Chevy Chase spent his freshman year at Haverford and graduated from Bard. He is a product of Bard and a Bard alumn. That he spent his freshman year elsewhere doesn't make this any less true.

[Bix]

Chris Hero was HWA trained (he was working beforehand but his initial trainer wasn't legit).

 

Was Collyer HWA trained or did he just wrestle there a lot? I thought he was a Malenko trainee.

[Indikator]

That was after his first Michinoku tour IIRC so it shouldn't count.

 

Look what I found

 

17. November 1998 Erin O'Grady beat Chad Collyer (4:12 Minutes) OVW

[tomk]

Chris Hero was HWA trained (he was working beforehand but his initial trainer wasn't legit).

Who are all the guys who went through the Blue Bloods Training Camp with him in 2002:

 

Ace Steel

Chris Hero

Brian Danielson

Colt Cabana

CM Punk

EZ Money?

Frankie the Face?

 

anyone else?

[Marty]

Chris Hero was HWA trained (he was working beforehand but his initial trainer wasn't legit).

Who are all the guys who went through the Blue Bloods Training Camp with him in 2002:

 

Ace Steel

Chris Hero

Brian Danielson

Colt Cabana

CM Punk

EZ Money?

Frankie the Face?

 

anyone else?

 

Didn't Jimmy Jacobs go through that camp as well?

[Slasher]

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Picking talent's not an easy thing to do, even when it's your job. Nobody gets molly coddled in other walks of life, so I'm at a loss to how people think wrestlers should be trained.

In whatever way that allows an IWC poster to think they can make it.

 

Well why not? If a person is stupid enough to want a life of the professional wrestler, he should be allowed a shot. It's not the NFL or MLB or NBA where you have to be credible to become a "true" (read: accepted in some form) professional. Wrestling is made up of bodybuilders, amateur wrestlers and other kinds of athletes, schoolteachers, plumbers, and so forth. Is an "IWC poster" that much lower on the totem pole?

 

Nevermind, I forget, ejaculating on a weight bench makes you THE MAN, and the superior option, right?

[Resident Evil]

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Picking talent's not an easy thing to do, even when it's your job. Nobody gets molly coddled in other walks of life, so I'm at a loss to how people think wrestlers should be trained.

In whatever way that allows an IWC poster to think they can make it.

 

Well why not? If a person is stupid enough to want a life of the professional wrestler, he should be allowed a shot. It's not the NFL or MLB or NBA where you have to be credible to become a "true" (read: accepted in some form) professional. Wrestling is made up of bodybuilders, amateur wrestlers and other kinds of athletes, schoolteachers, plumbers, and so forth. Is an "IWC poster" that much lower on the totem pole?

 

Nevermind, I forget, ejaculating on a weight bench makes you THE MAN, and the superior option, right?

 

I have no idea on earth on what you mean by "and the superior option". And to be honost, I don't even know who you are.

 

It was just a harmless little joke man. Lighten up. Are you looking for trouble or something by attacking me? You want it. You got it than. Your response actually gives total credibility to the joke t I said.

 

 

Anyway, to your points.

 

If a person is stupid enough to want a life of the professional wrestler

Out of curiousity, do you think it's stupid to want to be a professional boxer, hockey player, Mixed Martial artist or other contact preformances? Because if you don't, than you come off like some other posters whtere they love wrestling to the point of where they post on message boards but than on the other hand tear it down at every over opportunity they can to the point of nauseum. Obviously an extremely bitter concious or subconcious effect of knowing they don't have the talent and/or toughness to make it and can only ever be the fan. If you do think it's stupid to want a life out of those professions than maybe you're not a bitter fan and are just a good ol' wrestling snob.

 

 

....he should be allowed a shot. It's not the NFL or MLB or NBA where you have to be credible to become a "true" (read: accepted in some form) professional. Wrestling is made up of bodybuilders, amateur wrestlers and other kinds of athletes, schoolteachers, plumbers, and so forth. Is an "IWC poster" that much lower on the totem pole?

I'm only parly sure of what you're trying to say here so forgive me if I"m off base.

 

Sure, anyone should be allowed a shot to be a professional wrestler. Most people are allowed to. 99 percent of the people can't make it or hack it though.

You seem to be saying that anyone if they decide they want to should be put in the ring. Wow, that's going to make for make some great wrestling. Well, I guess you'll be there buying tickets.

 

 

Ok, from what I gather here, I think you're trying to say that NFL, MLB, an the NBA have some kind of legit talent level to be able to make it while with wrestling it doesn't have that. Anyone can make it and as evidence of that we have lowly forms (and I disagree with calling those people lowly forms) of people populating it. And when we compare those "garbage" athletes to the average IWC poster than what does wrestling have over the IWC poster? NOTHING!! Let's populate the whole WWE with IWC posters or even better elitist wrestling snobs. Yeah, like that'll will work.

 

On a serious note, it's well known that it takes a lot of toughness and a lot of talent to be a professional wrestler. Most people can't make it. That includes people from MLB, NFL or the NBA. Wrestling is its own seperate thing where it takes a special kind of person to make it and an even more as you put it true talent to thrive in it. Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio Jr. being great examples of this. You're not going to find too much talent like that anywhere in life.

 

So wrestling is made up of

 

bodybuilders -- EVERY sport is made up of bodybuilders. Every single last one. Wrestling has more than its share of bodybuilders which is a good thing. Bodybuilders have the mindset of toughness that is needed for wrestling and other sports. Most people can't even be bodyuilders. Almost every guy "does" it or wants to at one point in his life but almost everyone quits. Why? Because they can't hack it. They're not tough enough. Just like how a girl or woman wants to be pretty every guy wants to be more powerful and stronger. Yet they don't have the guts to go for it. So yeah, for what's needed in the wrestling world bodyuilders are higher on the totem than the IWC poster. Way higher.

 

Amatuer Wrestling -- Amateur wrestling is arguably the most pure sport on earth. It's also extremely taxing to preform and takes talent. So yes, for what's needed in the professional wrestling world, IWC posters on average certainly are lower on the totem pole than amatuer wrestlers.

 

Plumbers -- What does plumbing have to do with anything???? Wrestling has people in it who know how to be plumbers so they're not as true as other sports?

Anyway, they do a great service for mankind. My hats off to them.

 

Other Kinds of athletes -- Well yeah, the average IWC poster is lower on the totem pole here for what's needed in wrestling because the average IWC poster is not an athlete.

 

 

Nevermind, I forget, ejaculating on a weight bench makes you THE MAN, and the superior option, right?

Class, man. Pure class trolling.

 

Well yeah, now that you mention it, I am the superior option for humankind. Thank your for the compliment. Now go get a life. I don't have time for people leeching off of my IWC heat.

[Slasher]

Considering you're well known for having this odd contempt for other IWC posters, no I don't think it was a harmless joke.

 

As for my points, I was saying that anyone who has what it takes, can be a pro wrestler. It has nothing to do with their original professions or class. If you can work the wrestling thing, then you will be a wrestler. Even an IWC poster. Look at CanadianChick over at TSM (well she was before). She's an IWC poster, and also a professional wrestler. So once again, bringing back the point to your contempt for other posters, despite not being any better in any way, is going to make you sound like an idiot, "harmless joke" or not.

 

And yes, it's equally as stupid to want to be a boxer or a MMA fighter. Hockey isn't as stupid if you play it the right way. But if your interest lay in the rink fights, then yes, stupid as well.

 

(post-edit: If you don't know who I am, good. I don't tend to throw out stupid stories like the weight bench one, just to get attention. Like someone we know...)

[sek69]

CanadianChick is a wrestler? That's news. It's been a while since I posted there but I would have thought there would have been more of a fuss made since the two things that make the IWC cream their jeans are wrestlers and girls posting on their message boards (in that order).

[Jingus]

Yeah, she's Nicole Matthews of Shimmer and elsewhere. She never told people about it back when she was training and first starting out, and basically stopped posting once her career picked up a bit.

[Resident Evil]

Considering you're well known for having this odd contempt for other IWC posters, no I don't think it was a harmless joke.

 

As for my points, I was saying that anyone who has what it takes, can be a pro wrestler. It has nothing to do with their original professions or class. If you can work the wrestling thing, then you will be a wrestler. Even an IWC poster. Look at CanadianChick over at TSM (well she was before). She's an IWC poster, and also a professional wrestler. So once again, bringing back the point to your contempt for other posters, despite not being any better in any way, is going to make you sound like an idiot, "harmless joke" or not.

 

And yes, it's equally as stupid to want to be a boxer or a MMA fighter. Hockey isn't as stupid if you play it the right way. But if your interest lay in the rink fights, then yes, stupid as well.

 

(post-edit: If you don't know who I am, good. I don't tend to throw out stupid stories like the weight bench one, just to get attention. Like someone we know...)

As for my points, I was saying that anyone who has what it takes, can be a pro wrestler. It has nothing to do with their original professions or class. If you can work the wrestling thing, then you will be a wrestler

Doesnt this statement hold true for whatever you want to be in life?

 

Even an IWC poster. Look at CanadianChick over at TSM (well she was before). She's an IWC poster, and also a professional wrestler. So once again, bringing back the point to your contempt for other posters, despite not being any better in any way, is going to make you sound like an idiot, "harmless joke" or not.

I am terrific friends with an IWC poster who is a great professional wrestler.

 

Knowing the way she was/is, CC becoming a wrestler did not surprise me in the least. If someone beforehand were to bet on wether she'd make it or not I'd definitely put my money on her making it.

 

I don't have contempt for most posters. In fact, I like to read what most people have to say. I only have contempt for the posters who have nonsensical contempt for all posters and the wrestling industry. These tend to be the deluded elitist wrestling snobs/sometimes trolls

 

But the fact remains, 99% of the IWC and 99.9% of the IWC wrestling snobs won't be able to make it as wrestlers. That's not a slight against IWC posters. 99% of the rest of the world wouldn't make it either.

 

 

(post-edit: If you don't know who I am, good. I don't tend to throw out stupid stories like the weight bench one, just to get attention. Like someone we know...)

Ok, so you're better than me because you don't throw out "stupid" stories to get attention? Aren't you doing the exact same thing (seeking attention) you're accusing me of? Coming out and attacking me reeks of attention getting on your part. If you know me and you certainly seem to, you should know that I stand up for myself.

Anyway, I haven't told any stories for a long time despite having a million crazy, unbelievable stories. I have one great story about afterbirth, guns, running through fields, revenge and life endagerment. Maybe I'll send it to you via PM since I only talk wrestling here.

[sek69]

WildPeg/ResidentEvil, I've never had any personal issues with you, so I say this in no way starting any new lame internet beefs with you: The last thing you want to do is start telling more crazy stories. The reason people have the opinion of you that they do is you've been way to willing to share stories with the world that might have been better off kept under your hat, if you get my drift.

[The Thread Killer]

One of the things I loved about this board is the lack of drama...and the focus on discussion of Pro Wrestling Only. "Wild Pegasus" has managed to get banned at TSM and even The Pit for gawd's sake, where it's practically impossible to get banned....for this exactly this kind of weirdness, which has been amply displayed above. Please don't let this kind of goofiness infect this board too, I implore you all.

[Resident Evil]

WildPeg/ResidentEvil, I've never had any personal issues with you, so I say this in no way starting any new lame internet beefs with you: The last thing you want to do is start telling more crazy stories. The reason people have the opinion of you that they do is you've been way to willing to share stories with the world that might have been better off kept under your hat, if you get my drift.

Yeah, I know. It's an easy scapegoat to go to when anyone wants to get into an arguement.

 

Don't worry. I just talk wrestling here.

 

 

Speaking of which, I really liked this thread that DEAN started over on Deathvalley entitled ECW Memories http://board.deathvalleydriver.com/index.php?showtopic=45925

 

It's an entirely positive ECW piece and why it worked for everyone. I thought it'd be interesting for everyone to take a look at it and comment on it since ECW is not looked at as fondly here. Thoughts?

[sek69]

DEAN is always the guy who looks back on things fondly and seems to always be hesitant to not like something, but like 90% of ECW doesn't age well at all. It was absolutely groundbreaking stuff at the time, especially given what was being offered by WCW/WWF, but it's hard to watch anything from their heyday and think "yes, this definitely holds up over time".

 

Pretty much the only thing that does still have the same effect now is the promos. Taz still seems like the badass of all badasses and Mick Foley talking about Uncle Eric is still one of the best. Also you could make the argument that Steve-a-mania is probably the reason the WWF hired Steve Austin, or at least the reason he was allowed the ability to freely cut promos. Other than that, I don't think there's much of ECW you can look back on and honestly say "yeah, that's pretty good".

[Resident Evil]

I think the music is also what made ECW special. From the ECW I watched, their music selection and the way they used it was terrific.

[Bix]

I think the music is also what made ECW special. From the ECW I watched, their music selection and the way they used it was terrific.

That's the truth. You definitely weren't going to see Elastica on any other wrestling shows.

[Loss]

ECW doesn't lend itself well to the fragmented approach today's wrestling fan often takes, where you don't really sit down and watch a full show from start to finish very often. ECW matches don't make good comp choices generally, but the shows are fun if you watch them from beginning to end and look at the show as an overall presentation. I haven't done that in forever, so I have no idea how it holds up, but ECW was always disappointing when you focused on one particular thing, yet I often enjoyed full shows (not so much as great "wrestling" shows, but more as good overall productions).