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[floyd]

There's a story going around in English rugby right now about a physio slipping a player a blood capsule so he could head to the blood bin and be replaced by a goal kicker. Should've bladed.

Blood Capsule? He's gonna expose the business. :-(

 

Wonder if they'll start blading in other sports? Or like in American Idol or something..

[Dylan Waco]

Is calling Jeff Hardy the 2009 Lex Luger, a fair comparison?

No...Jeff is a harder worker than Luger ever was.

Jeff is More over than Luger ever was

and Jeff actually loves the business as opposed to Luger. Who would deny to people he was even in the business.

 

What are you basing all of that on? All three points you listed are debatable, with the third one being based in nothing I have ever read or heard.

 

The man liked the money but plainly had no passion for the business and kindly name me three good matches he had with someone not named Flair.

 

Only three matches? That's not even hard.

 

Off the top of my head

 

v. Pillman Clash IX

v. Pillman HH 89

v. Kendall Windham

v. Barry Windham Chi-Town Rumble

v. Tommy Rich Clash VIII

v. Michael Hayes WrestleWar 89

v. Steamboat GAB 89

v. Eddie Gilbert

v. Bret Hart Nitro 98

v. Ron Simmons HH 91

v. Sting Superbrawl 92

w/Sting v. The Steiners Superbrawl 91

v. The Giant

v. Hogan Nitro 97

 

That was running purely off memory. I have no doubt I could find several others with little effort.

[Loss]

Is calling Jeff Hardy the 2009 Lex Luger, a fair comparison?

No...Jeff is a harder worker than Luger ever was.

Jeff is More over than Luger ever was

and Jeff actually loves the business as opposed to Luger. Who would deny to people he was even in the business.

 

What are you basing all of that on? All three points you listed are debatable, with the third one being based in nothing I have ever read or heard.

 

as to the third point - Mike Graham on the Legends Round table on Classics on Demand told of his disgust of seeing Luger deny to people on planes other places that he was Lex Luger. He was given all the chances in the world to get over in the WWE and what did we wind up with "The Lex Express". The man liked the money but plainly had no passion for the business and kindly name me three good matches he had with someone not named Flair.

 

I don't put much stock in the Mike Graham story. His track record for telling the truth isn't particularly good.

 

Regarding his WWE run, I agree that they put a huge promotional effort behind him, but why would they do that and then not switch the title in the end?

 

Little known fact, but from what I've read, the mindset at the time about not putting the belt on Luger at Summerslam wasn't that he was a failure, but rather that house show business was showing a slight increase that summer, and Vince thought he could prolong it by waiting to switch the title to Luger. Any momentum he had from the Lex Express was gone by Wrestlemania X.

 

Yes, Bret Hart did get a bigger reaction than Luger at the '94 Rumble. Bret Hart was a very popular babyface. And again, Luger had lost momentum by that time, and I'd also say he was getting less of a reaction than Razor Ramon and Randy Savage at that point.

 

Luger wasn't the answer of who to build around in the WWF, and did not get over like he should have considering his push. I don't disagree with you there. I just think the extent to which he didn't get over gets exaggerated because people within wrestling don't care for Luger.

 

Even as late as 2005, Chris Masters was brought in with the idea of being the new Lex Luger, for what it's worth. During Kennedy's post-Benoit media debacle, he had said that Luger was considered a joke in wrestling, which Dave shot down in the WON at the time.

 

All things worth considering.

[stunning_grover]

There's a story going around in English rugby right now about a physio slipping a player a blood capsule so he could head to the blood bin and be replaced by a goal kicker. Should've bladed.

Blood Capsule? He's gonna expose the business. :-(

 

Wonder if they'll start blading in other sports? Or like in American Idol or something..

 

Blading already happened in other sports. About seven years ago, I remember someone posted an article on DVDVR about an African soccer match (I believe it was in Ghana) where someone bladed. The article described how a player tried to fool the referee by using a razorblade to draw blood from his forehead to make it seem like he had been attacked.

[khawk20]

Blading already happened in other sports. About seven years ago, I remember someone posted an article on DVDVR about an African soccer match (I believe it was in Ghana) where someone bladed. The article described how a player tried to fool the referee by using a razorblade to draw blood from his forehead to make it seem like he had been attacked.

The most obvious place to look for it next is hockey. Why? Because a high sticking penalty goes from two to four minutes automatically if it draws blood. It can be the tiniest nick and it applies.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if hockey players are already trying to bite their lips when a stick comes up on them. They need a blade incident to happen in order to examine and fix that rule..put some ref discretion back into the mix.

[floyd]

I remember in the Billy Graham book he thought about blading in the World Strongest Man competition but decided not too. Think he was going to start pulling a car, stumble and fall, blade, then continue on.

 

He announced his retirement at last night's TNA tapings. He announced his return to the ring at tonight's TNA tapings. Will he be as good as he was before? Only time will tell.

I think his retirement helped with all his injuries and his prolonged absence refreshed him to the fans who missed him for so long.

 

Like 1 year = 7 years for a dog life. I think 1 week = 10 weeks for TNA. I bet Styles comes back with a goatee.

[Cox]

Only three matches? That's not even hard.

 

Off the top of my head

 

v. The Giant

Is this the one from Starrcade '96? I remember really loving this match when it happened, and I was confused because as a young "smark," I couldn't believe how much I got into a match with two guys who weren't "supposed" to be any good like Luger and Giant. I haven't seen it in years so I have no idea if it holds up, but I remember really thinking it was great at the time.

[Loss]

Yeah, The Giant match at Starrcade is surprisingly good.

[Matt D]

Is calling Jeff Hardy the 2009 Lex Luger, a fair comparison?

No...Jeff is a harder worker than Luger ever was.

Jeff is More over than Luger ever was

and Jeff actually loves the business as opposed to Luger. Who would deny to people he was even in the business.

 

What are you basing all of that on? All three points you listed are debatable, with the third one being based in nothing I have ever read or heard.

 

The man liked the money but plainly had no passion for the business and kindly name me three good matches he had with someone not named Flair.

 

Only three matches? That's not even hard.

 

Off the top of my head

 

v. Steamboat GAB 89

 

That was running purely off memory. I have no doubt I could find several others with little effort.

 

You know what match surprised the heck out of me?

Lex v. Mean Mark from GAB 90.

[floyd]

Speaking of Luger/Mean Mark, they should bring back the heart punch!

[Jingus]

Daizee Haze has used it for years, but you'll get plenty of people who say that women's wrestling doesn't "count". I think Tank is using it in NWA Anarchy now as well.

[smkelly]

Jeff being a better worker than Luger is, somewhat, a no brainer. Luger's best matches came with better workers who were capable of carrying him, and taking all of his offense and making him look great, like Flair. Jeff is a highspot machine, much like Sabu, but with a better rate of success. I remember being surprised by his singles match with HBK on Raw, either 08 or this year, not sure exactly. But, it was a great move for move match with very little death defying bumps. All of Hardy's top-tiered work has come from gimmick matches, his specialty, so in theory, one cannot truly compare a highspot specialist to a worker needing carrying with weak strikes and power offense. But, if on an equal playing field, wrestling a straight match, Hardy has Luger beat, however, Hardy doesn't have a Flair or Steamboat to make him look like a million bucks.

 

In terms of popularity, Hardy also has Luger beat. The emo and trailer park women love them some face painted Jeff Hardy. Luger was over, to an extent, like the War Games with the top four (Luger/Hogan/Sting/Savage), the crowd goes ape shit over Luger, and the rest as well. When Hardy was just a mid card tag team wrestler in 2000, his pops were bigger than any of WCW's main event talents, including Goldberg.

 

For the love of the business, since none of us (?) personally know Luger or Hardy, we cannot clearly judge who has, or who does love the business more. It is irrelevant if Luger denied his true identity to people, I personally wouldn't want to constantly be smothered by fans when I just want to relax. I don't recall Luger ever leaving the business in the fashion Hardy has. Or, when a wellness policy is inserted into the company, continuously fail tests.

[Boondocks Kernoodle]

Luger never failed a WWF drug test because he took good masking agents. I don't see how that reflects upon a love of the business.

[Bix]

Someone commenting at Scott Keith's blog (yeah, I know...) posted this:

 

Oops, forgot to add that the WWE failed in 1997 in court to prove that ‘fan cam’ footage becomes the right of the company that the fan cam stuff was shot on. I only know this because I’m a video game historian and by weird coincidence, the judge cited Accolade v Sega in his finding, and ruled it to be ’sweat off the brow’ argument for copyright protection

Any truth to it?

[1004Holds]

Someone commenting at Scott Keith's blog (yeah, I know...) posted this:

 

Oops, forgot to add that the WWE failed in 1997 in court to prove that ‘fan cam’ footage becomes the right of the company that the fan cam stuff was shot on. I only know this because I’m a video game historian and by weird coincidence, the judge cited Accolade v Sega in his finding, and ruled it to be ’sweat off the brow’ argument for copyright protection

Any truth to it?

 

 

That would be weird. I remember that case being about Accolade reverse-engineering their games so that they could get around Sega's copyright protection software for the Sega Genesis. I think Electronic Arts (now EA) did the same thing too. I don't see how fan footage would have anything to do with that. Even if the fans were selling the footage, it's not like they somehow got a hold of the WWE's camera equipment and copied the footage from their tapes. Sorry, I can't think of a good example that would be the equivalent of what Accolade did.

[kjh]

WWE plans to launch a cable network within two years - Vince McMahon

[Bob Morris]

WWE plans to launch a cable network within two years - Vince McMahon

Not surprising he'd look at this. I wonder if it would mean that he'd switch all first-run WWE programming to such a network.

[Cox]

I guess it would depend on clearances - if he can get the network on enough cable systems, he'd be a fool not to, but I'm thinking they won't be available in enough homes to make that viable, at least immediately. I'm guessing they would start with a show like Superstars or even ECW, and expand from there. While they would keep all of the commercial money, there's still making sure WWE programming is seen by enough eyeballs to buy PPVs and merchandise.

[sek69]

I guess it would depend on clearances - if he can get the network on enough cable systems, he'd be a fool not to, but I'm thinking they won't be available in enough homes to make that viable, at least immediately. I'm guessing they would start with a show like Superstars or even ECW, and expand from there. While they would keep all of the commercial money, there's still making sure WWE programming is seen by enough eyeballs to buy PPVs and merchandise.

 

Even a guy like Vince who's famous for holding weird grudges isn't crazy enough to hold a grudge that would keep a potential WWE Network from getting major clearance like the Mark Cuban/Comcast beef that keeps HDnet off the air.

[Bix]

My tl;dr-ish thoughts about IWAMS folding.

[Jingus]

We're sure it's for real this time? As you said yourself, it wouldn't be the first time that Ian pulled this trick. Though there are some pathetic little details, like ticket refunds and saying that they've lost their internet access, which make it feel more plausible that they really have gone under.

 

Especially annoying for me since a few of my friends recently had tryouts and got positive reactions which were supposed to lead to full-time spots on the roster. IWA ain't ROH, but it was still miles above your average indy in terms of exposure and getting your name out there.

 

the company lost its venue in Indianapolis because a disgrunted former IWA wrestler (who eventually returned) flyered the building with home-made pornography featuring him and his ex-girlfriend, who was an IWA talent.

Oh you cocktease. C'mon, who was this?

[Dylan Waco]

What the hell happened to Ring Psychology Bix?

[tomk]

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the company lost its venue in Indianapolis because a disgrunted former IWA wrestler (who eventually returned) flyered the building with home-made pornography featuring him and his ex-girlfriend, who was an IWA talent.

Oh you cocktease. C'mon, who was this?

This would be Diehard Justin Lee postering pics of Nadia nice if my memory serves.

[Bix]

What the hell happened to Ring Psychology Bix?

http://ringpsychology.wordpress.com/2009/0...t-you-sold-out/

 

It was always planned that we'd move onto SBNation if we got enough unique visitors, but the name change was forced upon us.

 

And yes, the rumors allege that it was Dustin Lee and Nadia Nyce. Felt it was something better left off SBNation since Nadia was 17 at the time and Lee was never charged with anything AFAIK.

[Death From Above]

Somehow I thought IWA-MS would live forever. Like a horror movie monster, no matter what you do it wouldn't die.