El-P Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 She did not even find the hard cam. Not properly trained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 15 hours ago, hammerva said: It is still there. Feels like it is just a damn good comb over Apparently he claimed on the McAfee show this morning that he got a hair transplant, and in true heel fashion he managed to find a way to blame the fans for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 21 Author Report Share Posted April 21 2 hours ago, El-P said: She did not even find the hard cam. Not properly trained. If you think about it, she was facing the general direction of the hard camera, but her bump was shot through the eyes of another angle. She's got the instincts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Watched the two shows. My first WWE shows since last years Mania shows and all I can say is, whoever convinced all of these people that they’re actors needs kicked all over. Michaels/Flair was a poison on pro wrestling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 It seems both obviously and very clear that Paul Heyman has been the driving force of all this shit the last couple of years, because the rest of the show that he doesn't have his hands in in some way is unsatisfying mid stories and matches. Compare Cody vs Roman to Cody vs Cena. Punk/Seth/Roman to Seth against anyone the past 5 years. How completely rudderless all the Bloodline guys except Jacob Fatu are now that the angle is done and Heyman isn't with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 It's funny how Paul Heyman's reputation is totally oblivious to the fact he was always a carny and a crook, a pathological liar, a shitty businessman, an overrated booker and a corporate suck-up disguised as a pseudo-rebel. His vision of WWE main event pro-wrestling, from the Brock Lesnar "suplex city" borefests to the heavy-handed drama with crappy acting of the Bloodline, as successful as it is, is the worst shit that happened to pro-wrestling in the last 20 years stylistically. As far as Paul Heyman in 2025, more in the "WWE sucks" thread I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 21 Author Report Share Posted April 21 I'd actually argue that The Bloodline was the best thing WWE's done in a long long while, and certainly their most ambitious storyline ever. To have something like that last through so many years (not even counting hints of that back when Lesnar and Reigns were feuding around 2016 or so) hitting most of the time while only getting more and more over as time went on was an achievement. But it wasn't all by design, though. Sami Zayn (and Kevin Owens as well) got way more over than they were initially expecting and gave them a ton of mileage, culminating in a big, big win over Gunther (who's also having a great, great run in WWE even if people are not too high on the Jey feud). Shit, I don't think they expected Jey Uso himself to become a main event player, but they ran along with it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Not specifically talking about the storyline itself (which, yes, only got hot once Sami Zayn got involved) which obviously is the most successful (at the very least) thing they did in years, but the style of main event match heavy on high-school drama level acting. As far as Jey Uso getting over, it's funny because when Sami Zayn got over *organically* thanks to his character work and the fact he was also killing it in the ring, they would not pull the trigger on him. When DUI Nepoboy got massively over thanks to the groundwork laid by years of Bloodline storyline and his act basically was reduced to an entrance and mediocre singles matches, he got the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, El-P said: It's funny how Paul Heyman's reputation is totally oblivious to the fact he was always a carny and a crook, a pathological liar, a shitty businessman, an overrated booker and a corporate suck-up disguised as a pseudo-rebel. His vision of WWE main event pro-wrestling, from the Brock Lesnar "suplex city" borefests to the heavy-handed drama with crappy acting of the Bloodline, as successful as it is, is the worst shit that happened to pro-wrestling in the last 20 years stylistically. As far as Paul Heyman in 2025, more in the "WWE sucks" thread I guess. What. Those things come up about him literally anytime he's mentioned even on screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Well, it's supposed to be his character. When it's really Heyman IRL. Much like Kevin Dunn before him, he probably knows were the bodies are buried too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 That's how everyone has ever talked about him until like the CM Punk era of Paul Heyman Guy. Most who worked with him prior to 2015 still speak about him like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Or course. Yet he's still viewed as this creative genius that was gonna save WWE several times (or TNA, whenever that stuff used to came up in the 00's) and how he's the one responsible for WWE's most successful angle of the last decade (Cody "finishing the story" aside, that was Vince's). And he's one of the most powerful guy in the company. And I say that as a former ECW fan. Heyman has been wildly overrated over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 Sure. I don't disagree at all. I was just saying the difference in the top storylines when Paul Heyman is involved vs the one that don't involve him and are all HHH is significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 6 minutes ago, strobogo said: Sure. I don't disagree at all. I was just saying the difference in the top storylines when Paul Heyman is involved vs the one that don't involve him and are all HHH is significant. In term of impact and success, for sure. The reactions to both Mania main events is very telling. I know from reading about it that I would have enjoyed none of them, but one got over huge and the other was seen as a complete failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRH Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 3 hours ago, Stiva said: Watched the two shows. My first WWE shows since last years Mania shows and all I can say is, whoever convinced all of these people that they’re actors needs kicked all over. Michaels/Flair was a poison on pro wrestling I'd argue you could blame that on Savage/Warrior. Heck, you could even go back to 1987 and Steamboat/Savage and Hogan/Andre. Good matches to be sure, but they did have that "epic" style to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Rock goes on Pat Mac show 2 days after WM and basically confirms what everyone thought all along: There was no big long plan. Rock's involvement at EC was a request from Ari Emmanuel to juice EC tickets that were slower than expected. Rock came up with the idea for Cody's soul, HHH pitched Cena instead, they went with HHH's call and Rock said his job was done. Said he was leaving 6 weeks up to them to get cooking and building and his involvement would have taken away from Cena's win. He COULD have been at WM, but watched it at home on the couch. He also had effusive praise for Punk/Roman/Seth, but said he would have finessed a few things a bit better in Cody/Cena. RUTHLESS (passive) AGGRESSION. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 So the options were to either not charge hundreds of dollars for tickets and build a better card, or entirely screw up their plans for Wrestlemania. They chose poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 It’s so obvious that there is still a ton of animosity between The Rock and Triple H. I actually watched Triple H’s entire 1 hour and 7 minute HOF speech, during which he thanked pretty much everybody he ever worked with, including a bunch of backstage guys I had never heard of. He talked about his greatest rivalries and singled out Mick Foley and The Undertaker (as he should) but to the best of my recollection, he did not mention The Rock, in any capacity, not once during the entire speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Oh, and for the record, I have no sympathy, nor do I particularly favour either guy. Anybody who saw that Wrestlemania documentary they released last year knows that The Rock tried to do the exact same thing with WM40 that he did with DC entertainment during the whole Black Adam fiasco. He basically bigfooted his way into the middle of the situation and tried to commandeer the creative. I have no doubt he wanted to do the same thing this year and it’s only because Cody put his foot down and said he wasn’t going to turn heel that it didn’t happen. And then the ultimate irony is that the fans ended up turning on Cody anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Makes you wonder what the original plan for WM was. It seemed the story was the weight of being the champ was getting to Cody and making him more and more aggressive and maybe even desperate to keep the title, perhaps snapping after losing the title to Cena in a face/face match. Within the context of what had gone on months before, Cody selling his soul to The Rock actually does make some sense, whether it be leaving it hanging at EC and doing it at WM itself in an Austin WM17 style turn. Instead all that stuff was pretty much dropped for 6 weeks and when given the chance to show something of what he did to KO, he pulls a Sting trusting Flair boner move in the main event of WM. Extra funny HHH telling the fans as critics to fuck off because he's the one leading the story, not us, now knowing there wasn't a story and Rock just let him flounder and then aired it out on TV 2 days after lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 24 minutes ago, The Thread Killer said: It’s so obvious that there is still a ton of animosity between The Rock and Triple H. I actually watched Triple H’s entire 1 hour and 7 minute HOF speech, during which he thanked pretty much everybody he ever worked with, including a bunch of backstage guys I had never heard of. He talked about his greatest rivalries and singled out Mick Foley and The Undertaker (as he should) but to the best of my recollection, he did not mention The Rock, in any capacity, not once during the entire speech. Unpopular (?) opinion: Triple H needs to own his side of why things are frosty between him and The Rock. We heard so many stories of an arrogant H trying to play politics against Rock with the help of Chad Frost Shawn Michaels. And I distinctly remember an episode of the old WWE internet show Byte This where H bragged about having to teach Rock and carry Rock through an hour of their Iron Man match. Attitude Era H was clearly in love with himself and adored huffing the smell of his own farts. Look, I'm sure modern day H resents having Rock as his boss who dips in and out at his own convenience. As a fan, I'm not exactly in love with it either. But such is life, because Rock was and is an actual star (wrestling and otherwise) and H never has been (wrestling and otherwise). Plus: Rock being childhood friends with H's actual boss (one of many), Nick Khan, probably doesn't help H either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 I don’t disagree with you, Triple H treated a lot of people like crap when he was just “talent” and I think that reputation and some of the damaged relationships resulting from it, probably come back to bite him on a fairly regular basis. Having said that, I have seen both him and CM Punk mention several times over the last year or so how they have been able to basically start fresh in their relationship. And those two had a terrible relationship. They both openly admit they did not like each other at all. Punk has talked about how the first conversation he had with Triple H before he came back, Triple H basically said to him that he was not the same person he was 10 years ago, and he assumed the same of Punk. They started over, and by all accounts the relationship is quite good now. I have no doubt that The Rock isn’t really interested in mending fences with Paul Levesque for two reasons, firstly he probably holds a grudge and secondly, he doesn’t have to mend fences because he has so much power now. I’m sure he enjoys sticking it to Triple H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Agreed that both are at fault. Rock forced the throwing of a curve ball despite having no intention to remain involved or add anything to it when it desperately needed him. But H also just let Cena show up at his leisure, cut the same "You have been awful to me" promo the times he actually bothered to show up, and didn't try to salvage the angle when it clearly wasn't working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted April 22 Report Share Posted April 22 Well it takes a different light when that forced curve ball came from the head of TKO asking him to do it. Last year definitely felt like Rock was dick swinging and taking over, this year TKO wanted him to do it again, he did, and HHH didn't swing on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted April 23 Author Report Share Posted April 23 It sure is great to have two big egos mess with the main storyline of your biggest show of the year and that pretty much mean nothing because they will pack houses no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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