Hulk Hogan Dies At 71

[Boss Rock]

13 minutes ago, Boss Rock said:

There were some folks who were taking Tony Khan and AEW to task for not saying anything about Hogan, which isn't entirely surprising given TK has been adamant AEW would have nothing to do with him. And while it is strange they gave a platform to Sabu who also said racist things, I appreciate the fact he stuck to his guns and didn't feel the need to say anything about Hogan.

Nevermind, Schiavone actually addressed Hogan's death on Collision.

[David Mantell]

Jim and Brian came up with quite a good balanced piece.

[flyonthewall2983]

That funeral is going to be tense

[El-P]

I wonder if he got creative control on that one. 

Lance Storm with the usual based take (as they say) : 

 

[David Mantell]

On 7/28/2025 at 1:10 PM, David Mantell said:

Jim and Brian came up with quite a good balanced piece.

Follow up video.  Artwork shows Jim being offered a Hulk Hogan gingerbread man by the Cat In The Hat

 

 

[The Thread Killer]

As is usually the case when he does an obituary segment, I thought Cornette’s coverage of Hogan’s death was historically accurate, insightful and remarkably even handed, especially considering the fact that Hogan became a Trump guy over the past couple of years, and we all know how much Cornette loves Trump. I usually assume that if anything comes up that involves Trump on even a peripheral level, Cornette is going to totally lose his shit and start screaming profanities.

What I found especially humourous was the follow up piece. The response to Cornette’s podcast about Hogan pretty much encapsulates Pro Wrestling tribalism and overall online discourse in general nowadays. On one hand, he had people that were angry he wasn’t more complementary towards Hogan and wasn’t just blindly praising the guy, and on the other hand, he had people that were irate that he even mentioned Hogan at all because they think his name should be blotted from the history books.

Cornette sounded legitimately flabbergasted at the two totally divergent responses he was getting to the exact same segment. I had to wonder if he doesn’t pay attention when he uses Twitter, and I had to laugh at the irony that he has been one of the people who has helped contribute to the almost toxic levels of tribalism that exist in Pro Wrestling fandom right now.

You helped create the zombies, Jimbo. Don’t act surprised when they bite you.

[El-P]

21 hours ago, The Thread Killer said:

I had to laugh at the irony that he has been one of the people who has helped contribute to the almost toxic levels of tribalism that exist in Pro Wrestling fandom right now.

You helped create the zombies, Jimbo. Don’t act surprised when they bite you.

To keep on with the zombi analogy, Cornette really is the patient zero of toxic podcast host nurturing a crowd of hating sycophants.

Meanwhile, this :

[ohtani's jacket]

Cornette's podcast was better than the drivel everywhere else. 

[David Mantell]

7 hours ago, El-P said:

To keep on with the zombi analogy, Cornette really is the patient zero of toxic podcast host nurturing a crowd of hating sycophants.

Nothing toxic about Corny, he's a voice of reason and the only means by which I can be bothered to keep up to date with developments in modern day American Wrestling.

I did have to once check out a Young Bucks match to make sure that their brand of Floppy is nothing like Le Petit Prince Vs Michel Saulnier and lo and behold there is indeed no similarity whatsoever.  He and Brian are also usually very diligent in stating that their requirements for pro wrestling re. size and an identifiable face Vs heel apply only to American Wrestling post WW2.

[Lukeless]

Cornette is absolutely toxic.  He's wished death upon Kenny Omega at least more than once ("sarcastically").  He disparages AEW no matter the storyline, no matter the performers, no matter the quality or style of a match.  It is toxic and creates hatred and resentment in his community and you can't deny that just because Cornette's taste in wrestling may be the same as yours.

Cornette is a great performer, amazing heel manager, and is often observant and insightful about certain modern-day companies and performers.  But when it comes to AEW there's no legitimate consideration of the product, he is creating and maintaining a narrative that the company is ruining wrestling and that has led to toxic reactions.  For example, the Corny reddit which I had the displeasure to accidentally visit a couple days ago.

[sek69]

He also more than once implied Kenny is a pedo due to his involvement with women's wrestling in Japan. Plus it's one thing for something to not be one's cup of tea, but his irrational hate boner towards all things AEW make me wonder if he tried hitting up TK for a job at one point and was shot down. 

[NintendoLogic]

Whatever one may think of Cornette's views on other matters, he hit the nail on the head with Hogan when he said "His real stories were good enough." His actual career was so incredible as to practically sound like fiction, so it boggles the mind that he felt the need to embellish his life story to such an absurd degree.

[Big Pete]

4 hours ago, sek69 said:

AEW make me wonder if he tried hitting up TK for a job at one point and was shot down. 

Supposedly when TK was piecing AEW together he met with Cornette and considered bringing Jim in as a creative consultant. However when Jim heard about who else was being involved in the company he decided it wasn't going to be a good fit and moved on from the venture. He often refers to himself as the one guy who wasn't willing to take TK's money and make a fool of himself by associating with AEW and often feels bad for JR.

Supposedly he signed an NDA and nearly violated it when he revealed that TK was interested in signing Punk from the get go. 

I think Jim's gripes with AEW are legitimate but I don't think he'd discuss it at length if it wasn't earning him a nice pay cheque. 

[El-P]

Imagine paying any attention to whatever Jim Cornette has to say about current pro-wrestling in 2025 (or at any point in the last 15 years, to be *extremely* generous). 

So in the Netflix doc, Vince said that "Hogan was not a racist. He said some racist things, but he was not a racist". Which to Vince is probably akin to "I am not a rapist. I did some rapist things, but I am not a rapist". He also looks like some cursed IA version of his animated drowned corpse.

[David Mantell]

15 hours ago, Lukeless said:

Cornette is absolutely toxic.  He's wished death upon Kenny Omega at least more than once ("sarcastically").  He disparages AEW no matter the storyline, no matter the performers, no matter the quality or style of a match. 

There is nothing unusual about feelings of dark rage over those who mock, abuse and bring into disrepute over something one loves - especially if the mockers happen to gain their employment from the thing one loves.That is still a long way from actually going out and doing something stupid - when some fool tried to bomb (or whatever) an AEW show in his name, he rightly denounced the guy.  

I'm guessing you don't actually listen to his podcasts, he does sometimes praise AEW and even current WWE matches.

[David Mantell]

8 hours ago, El-P said:

Imagine paying any attention to whatever Jim Cornette has to say about current pro-wrestling in 2025 (or at any point in the last 15 years, to be *extremely* generous). 

Speaking as a sample of one listener, I listen to his reviews because they are funny and because he serves as a filter for keeping up to date with current developments without inflicting the actual product on my brain.

Having said that the reviews are the least interesting part of the show and I prefer listening to his stories of the old times and his domestic stuff.

[sek69]

AEW isn't mocking or abusing pro wrestling just because TK doesn't book like a southern rasslin territory from 1984. Like I said, it's fine if AEW isn't his cup of tea but the level of hate he brings toward them for seemingly no reason other than just having a style he doesn't like is ridiculous. What's equally ridiculous is him doing that then feigning shock or surprise when someone says or does something toward the company that could make him look bad since it was clearly inspired by his rantings. I don't go anywhere near Twitter anymore for numerous (and obvious) reasons, but the first few years of AEW the largest percentage of folks anti AEW were parroting Cornette talking points nearly verbatim, yet he has the testicular fortitude to act shocked when some goof attempts to act on it. Ironically he ends up sounding a lot like the right wingers he also tends to rail against who say dumb shit to their following then act surprised when their followers end up doing dumb shit because of the things they say. 

[El-P]

10 minutes ago, sek69 said:

Ironically he ends up sounding a lot like the right wingers he also tends to rail against who say dumb shit to their following then act surprised when their followers end up doing dumb shit because of the things they say. 

This. So much. The fact he basically promoted Smokey Mountain Wrestling as Make Wrestling Great Again (like in the good ole days, ya know) makes it even more ironic. The business has passed him by a long-ass time ago. Shame, I used to love Corny. He absolutely has been a big part of the toxic atmosphere of these last few years. I feel he's become more and more irrelevant in the grifters conversation though lately. You barely see any idiotic Corny fans at AEW shows anymore (you know the kind, planted at ringside to "be seen" and looking bored).

Back to Hogan, the latest stuff about Brooke's record deal contract is batshit insane.

[David Mantell]

I wasn't referring to AEW collectively although some individuals eg the Young Bucks are certainly guilty. 

Cornette's case against AEW is that the once in a generation opportunity to challenge WWE is a messy poorly booked amateur indie promotion (dressed in the clothes of high production values) which has the capacity to do real damage to wrestling's wIder public profile, especially in the TV industry.

[David Mantell]

1 minute ago, El-P said:

Make Wrestling Great Again

Are you suggesting that there is some kind of coherent link between views on politics and views on Wrestling? That would be a slanderous suggestion to say the least.  

[El-P]

Gawd, is this 2019 again ? 🙄

[David Mantell]

5 minutes ago, El-P said:

Gawd, is this 2019 again ? 🙄

A person can have so called "retrogressive" views on wrestling and so called "progressive" views on politics and there is no incompatibility whatsoever.

(Hell, there are certain political issues where I refuse to accept the right/left placing claimed by both sides with support from the media. Let alone trying to link views on WRESTLING to the right wing/left wing dichotomy.)

[sek69]

Well Cornette is pretty vocal about both his political and wrestling views, it's just interesting to me that the way he acts expressing his wrestling views mirrors closely the way people who express political opinions opposite to his act. 

...and honestly the fact that he acts the same about pro wrestling opinions (that have zero impact on people's lives) the way some folks act about their political opinions (which absolutely do have impact on people's lives) is both hilarious and sad to me. Like I get it, he's spent his life in the business but he's managed to turn himself into Old Man Yelling At Clouds when he was one of the premier historians of wrestling. He still is, but it makes you less likely to want to listen to him when he goes off on his hate boner rants. 

[El-P]

The Corny idiotic "arguments" about AEW were shit that were all over the place 6 years ago. They were stupid then, they are absurdly idiotic now considering the history of AEW thus far, both in term of impact on the business for the workers, ridiculous quality of shows and just plain business standpoint.

As far as the rest goes, yeah, SMW was marketed as "pro-wrestling as it used to be" back in fucking 1992, so that's how stuck in the past Corny was already then. And the irony is that as much as he paints himself as progressive, he's basically acting in the pro-wrestling landscape like the guys he despises politically. There you go.

Anywoo. Hogan, dead, ya know. Wrong thread.

[sek69]

24 minutes ago, El-P said:

Back to Hogan, the latest stuff about Brooke's record deal contract is batshit insane.

The craziest part is that it wasn't even necessary to do that either. Her music, while it honestly wasn't terrible, was about a decade behind the times of what was popular so it was going to be a case of a problem solving itself sooner than later. It wasn't like he was snuffing out a potential Taylor Swift in the making.