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You can be snarky about it all you want but what is the point of the last big rule drama go around and a poll on it if we just go over the same shit again in a month? We went through all that crap to set the permanent rules going forward on how we dealt with dead promotions, roster caps and the rest of the stuff we voted on.
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You can still make trades with the dead promotions by going through Grimmas, we've already addressed that. We also said we were NOT going to draft out the dead promotions any more and if we start to try and change the rules AGAIN I'm just going to quit and start writing my shows in the main Armchair Booking folder where I don't have to constantly worry about never ending drama over trying to change rules that have already been decided on.
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We've put far too much emphasis on people sticking to a deadline and acting like we MUST push people out for getting behind to the point where if someone loses interest they're afraid to even take a break and instead just quit. I know dawho was losing interest and tried to encourage him to just take a break but due to some silly feeling like he's obligated to everyone else to post a show now we lose a writer altogether instead of just letting someone go off for a while and recharge. It's not like people are beating down the doors trying to get into this game. Taking a break for a few weeks like I've done or even a month or two like Boon had to do is far better than dropping out altogether. It's not "screwing over" the rest of the people in this game to stop posting shows so you can stay interested because dropping out and losing a writer and a promotion is far worse than a few weeks not posting shows.
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I don't think it's time to do another who is in and who isn't by any means. Not without anyone looking to come in and take over the dead promotions we already have sitting there. Just keep posting your own shows and hope the guys who have wandered off like Jesse come back and start posting shows again (like he's done twice) I feel like getting overly worried about how much or how little other people are posting is one of the things driving people out of the game and I don't get it. If you like writing your shows what does it matter if someone else isn't posting?
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I never understood why people were mad about the idea of him announcing their PPV anyway. It's not like he could really be much more of a fanboy for New Japan even if he got a check from them for doing announcing.
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[1984-04-23-WWF-MSG, NY] Sgt. Slaughter vs Iron Sheik
goc replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in April 1984
Came across a 3 disc set (well a conversion of a 3 disc set) and watched all the build up to the first encounter and this match today. Definitely lives up to the hype as an all time feud and I liked how they slowly built up the tension between the two of them until the crowd was just dying to see them go after each other. This match is really good first match in a blood feud with an absolutely insane crowd. You could see how well they built this up by how hot the crowd was before the match started and how they never really came down through the whole match. I loved Sheik trying to sneak attack Slaughter at the start but Slaughter turning at the last second, knowing it was coming and starting to kick Sheik's ass. Iron Sheik hit one of the best gutwrench suplexes I've ever seen in this match and that was the "fanciest" move in the whole thing this was all about two dudes just wanting to beat on each other. The finish was really good with Slaughter taking off one of his boots to hit Sheik with it but the ref stopping him as he went for it and Sheik using that moment to cut him off. You think it's going to lead to Sheik taking over again but Slaughter then manages to start wailing on him with the boot causing a DQ and sending the Iron Sheik running for cover. One of the hottest crowds I've ever seen for an entire match, not just for an entrance or a finish but the whole way through and I would agree with Sleeze that this is one of the best in the first matches in the first of a series that I've ever seen. I wonder if WWE has any other matches between these two locked up in the vault because during the buildup they had promos from Slaughter for a match between the two in both Los Angeles at the Olypmic Auditorium and a match in the Boston Garden. -
The tag ballot is only 25 teams to begin with so you're definitely not going to have the highest ranking on them if you only put them at #25 because I definitely plan on ranking them and they might get above my last spot on the ballot. I've seen way too many legitimately good matches from them to buy into this narrative that they "sucked"
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Calm down. Bruce has only made about 10 posts already saying he's trying to find the Bock footage.
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I think Horowitz & Lombardi were skilled at making other guys look good but I mean come on The Rockers were way better and not a team in need of being "carried" by the time they got to the WWF.
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I'm glad you liked the stuff with The Fullers and Roy Lee Welch this week. Personally I feel like the promos from all of those guys this week with the disputed family history is the best stuff I've written so far which I'm actually conflicted on because it feels wrong to give my 3rd or 4th top babyface better material than my #1 and #2 acts in The Fabs and Jim Duggan. But then again, everything runs in cycles and I'm trying not to burn out my top acts by featuring them too heavily each and every week so a week or 2 here and there where they take a bit of a back seat isn't all that bad especially in a weekly territory where you're running the same arenas every single week. I've definitely seen a few times in Memphis where Jerry Lawler had a real weak opponent for the Mid-South Coliseum while something else was getting more of the focus at the top of the card and if it worked for Jerry Jarrett I guess it should work for me. This was definitely one of those weeks though with The Fabs, Duggan and Tully getting put in the backseat so Ron Starr, Abdullah the Butcher, Roy Lee Welch and The Stud Stable could ride up front.
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So yea like the title says, this topic is about angles that you personally love but are kind of forgotten about or not well liked by other people. For me my favorite angle that really isn't talked about as one of the "great" moments of Memphis wrestling is the deal where Robert Fuller was in an angle where he was claiming that Jerry Jarrett stole the Memphis promotion from his father and grandfather and never paid them any money for it. This led to Nick Gulas actually appearing on Memphis TV talking to Robert Fuller about how Jerry Jarrett was a thief and stole the promotion out from under him and if anyone deserved to have it that it was Robert and his brother. I've seen a shoot interview with Jerry Jarrett where he was asked how he got Nick Gulas to appear on Memphis TV and put over his angle and Jarrett said it was because Nick didn't know it WAS an angle. He just sent Robert over to Nick's house with a camera and got Robert to butter him up and act like the whole thing was real. As Jerry put it "everyone involved was working except for Nick Gulas who was shooting." To me, getting a guy who personally hates you to appear on your TV and unknowingly put over an angle you're working is one of the smartest things (and/or most carny) things I've ever heard. Another thing I love about this angle is you can tell just how tickled Robert Fuller is by getting to work Nick Gulas into shooting on Jerry Jarrett as he looks like he can barely contain himself during the interview with Nick.
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The only main event heel who has really been treated as uber important for a long period of time in WWE has been HHH. Randy Orton maybe is another exception to the rule as he had a pretty long run on top as a heel. The majority of the time they use temporary top heels, guys get a good push for a few months to maybe a maximum of a year and then get shuffled down the card or turned babyface. The top heel spot is definitely not seen as just as important as the top babyface spot. Not during the Hogan era, the Bret/HBK years, the Austin era or really ANY era of WWE that you can look back at except for 2002-2005 Raw with HHH on top. In WWE the heels are expendable and they're almost always being built up to lose to a babyface and then move down or turn.
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Taped at The Junction in San Antonio, TX on 11/7 Southwest Championship Wrestling airing on Saturday 11/12 in local markets -Show intro- Steve Stack: Welcome to another edition of Southwest Championship Wrestling, the most exciting hour in all of professional wrestling! We have some great action in store for today including a Southwest Television Title match with Mike Masters facing off against the champion Roy Lee Welch. But before we get to anything else I have to talk about all the things that have gone on behind the scenes here over the past week involving threats of lawsuits, injunctions and an attempt to outright buy this television time away from Southwest Championship Wrestling. For those of you who were in the HemisFair Arena last Sunday night, you saw 'Rugged' Ron Starr make his return to the area as the surprise partner of 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan and the two of them gave The Zambuie Express quite a beating and left the arena with the briefcase full of Sheik Adnan's money that The Zambuie Express brought with them. Sheik Adnan was incredibly upset over his money winding up in the hands of Ron Starr and Jim Duggan and demanded that AWA President Stanley Blackburn force Duggan and Starr to return the money or he would declare war on Southwest Championship Wrestling. When Stanley Blackburn didn't return his phone calls within 24 hours, Sheik Adnan was true to his war and had his lawyers swarm the offices of Southwest Championship Wrestling threatening to place injunctions against any events taking place, promising to sue Stanley Blackburn and even talking about Sheik Adnan calling the television stations and buying away the time slots that this program appears on. This seems to have all been a calculated maneuver on Sheik Adnan's part because two days later he agreed to back off of all of those threats if Abdullah the Butcher would be allowed to return for one night only to the HemisFair Arena. When we come back we are going to see a video from Sheik Adnan himself revealing the details of who Abdullah the Butcher will be facing THIS Sunday night at The HemisFair Arena and we'll get the response from his opponent so don't go away, you won't want to miss it! -First commercial break- Steve Stack: Well fans you just heard from Sheik Adnan who looks to be beside himself with joy about Abdullah the Butcher being allowed to return, even in a non-sanctioned Lights Out match. I'm standing here now with the man he'll be facing Sunday night, 'Rugged' Ron Starr. Ron what are your thoughts about having to face the big mad man from Sudan in a match that essentially has no rules? Ron Starr: Maybe Sheik Adnan thinks I'm supposed to be afraid to fight Abdullah the Butcher, maybe you or maybe these people think that too Steve Stack. And maybe that would even be the smart thing to do, to be concerned, to be fearful of my health and my well being. But the only thing I feel is excitement! Anticipation! I can't wait to get in the ring with Abdullah the Butcher and make him pay for breaking my ribs, to make him pay for putting me out of action for 2 months. I don't think he'll understand the financial strain he put on me for putting me out of work but he'll understand the pain I am going to dish out on him when I make HIM bleed, when I break bones in HIS body and when I put HIM out of work because he's too broken and beat up to wrestle! Now I don't have anything more to say about Abdullah the Butcher I've got a match with Mike Fever schedule for right now and I'll let that match do the rest of my talking for me. Steve Stack: Ron Starr looks to be fully healed from his rib injuries and totally fired up for his Lights Out match against Abdullah the Butcher this Sunday night! I'm sure it's going to be a wild one and you won't want to miss it! You also won't want to miss what we have coming up for you after the break because when we come back from break Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden will be out here and they say they have a surprise for their cousin Roy Lee Welch so don't go away! -Second commercial break- Steve Stack: We're back on Southwest Championship Wrestling and with me now are Robert Fuller, Jimmy Golden and the man standing behind them is the brother of Robert Fuller, I suppose you could call him the leader of the family, The Tennessee Stud Ron Fuller. Ron Fuller: That's right Steve Stack, I AM the leader of this family. I am the one and only Tennessee Stud and I have been forced to come down to this rinky dink town of San Antonio to fix a problem that's been going on in my family for far too long. Roy Lee Welch you should have kept your nose out of the family business you should have got you a job working at Mac Donalds somewhere where you could have spent your life serving hamburgers instead of being an embarrassment to the rest of this family of real rasslers and champions. Boy you made the biggest mistake of your life when you had to run your big mouth last Sunday night and cost these two men the Southwest Tag Team Titles because now The Stud is here and The Stud is going to make sure your wrestling career is over for good so we don't ever have to worry about your ruining this family's reputation any more. Steve Stack: Well Ron if you're the leader of the family let me ask you WHY you and your brother Robert and your cousin Jimmy have this vendetta against Roy Lee Welch? Why is there such an animosity between the three of you for your cousin Roy when it seems like Roy really didn't give any cause for all of this hatred. He's been out here repeatedly saying how he wants to make peace in the family even after a man was sent down here with a promise of $10,000 to cripple him and put him out of wrestling. Ron Fuller: Steve Stack since you asked the question I'm going to have to give you a little family history to answer your question. Our grandfather's name was Roy Welch, who is also the grandfather of Roy Lee Welch and the man he is named after. Now for some reason our grand daddy didn't want our father Buddy to get in the rasslin business and told him he wasn't allowed to take the name of Welch and so he became Buddy Fuller. And our daddy made the name Fuller even greater than the name Welch not just as a wrestler but a promoter and the Welch side of the family became jealous. That's how Roy Lee's father Lester Welch, our uncle, who was supposed to be a business partner ended up screwing our father out of the towns he was promoting wrestling in and sold them out from under him to The Fields family and gave our father nothing after all the hard work he did in building up those towns and making them great places to see professional wrestling. So not only are we going to end the wrestling career of Roy Lee Welch to avenge our father but to prove once and for all that the Fuller family name is greater than the Welch name ever has been or ever will be. Steve Stack: But all of this seems like ancient history! Why would you still be trying to settle a decade or older grudge that involved your father and your uncle? Robert Fuller: Maybe you don't have any family pride but we do Steve Stack! And we remember how our lives changed after Roy Lee's father, that snake Lester Welch, stole food right off of our table and sold everything out from under our father. We remember when there wasn't enough to eat, we remember when there wasn't enough money to keep the heat on in the cold of the winter, we remember what it was like as kids to grow up and not get any presents for Christmas because your daddy didn't have the money to buy you anything. And we remember who was the cause of it all and we want to make Lester Welch feel the pain that we felt by having his son run back home and cry about how his career his was ended at the hands of the Fullers! We want Lester Welch to know that it may have taken years and years but the Fullers have paid him back with interest for the things that he did! Steve Stack: Jimmy Golden what is your part in all of this? I suppose I can understand Robert and Ron's motivation in all of this even if I feel it's misguided but I don't understand why you've thrown in to be a part of it. Jimmy Golden: I got to see both sides of this whole thing when I was growing up Steve Stack. I was over at Robert and Ron's house when they didn't have no heat, when they didn't have nothing to eat, when they didn't have no presents to open on Christmas morning. And I was also over at Roy Lee Welch's house, where he grew up like a little tyrant, a whiny little brat who always got his way, who got everything a kid could ever want on Christmas and still complained about the one little thing he didn't get. And when I got older I found out how his family was able to afford so much more than Robert and Ron's and it made me sick that these two great upstanding men had to grow up in such impoverished conditions while a rotten punk like Roy Lee Welch was the beneficiary of their misery, growing up in total luxury and not appreciating a damn thing about it. So of course I'm on Robert and Ron's side, of course I want to see them get their revenge on Roy and I want to see the name of Welch buried once and for all in the sport of professional wrestling! Steve Stack: I think we've perhaps talked enough about family history now, let's talk about your match this Sunday night. It will be the three of you taking on the team of The Fabulous Ones and Roy Lee Welch in a six man tag team match. If your team is victorious then you will be able to choose any kind of match or matches, as all 3 of you included in the deal, that you want for next week at The HemisFair Arena. But if The Fabulous Ones and Roy Lee Welch are victorious then all 3 of you will be barred from any further championship matches in this area for one year! Ron Fuller: I know that little runt came up with that idea because he knows we want to take the Southwest TV Title from him and take it back to Alabama. But it's not going to matter, we're going to win that 6 man tag team match this Sunday and then Robert and Jimmy are going to choose a Tennessee Street Fight rematch with The Fabs and finally take those Southwest Tag Team Titles away from the pretty boys. And then I'm going to make an I Quit match with me and Roy for the TV Title and I'm going to do what Bill Ash couldn't do, I'm going to break Roy's leg with the Fuller Leglock, I'm going to end his career and I'm going to take that TV Title away from him, the only title he's ever won in his career and I'm going to make sure I get some of Roy's blood on it before I take it back to my father and show it to him. And finally my father will know that revenge has been dished out, that the Welch family has been snuffed out of wrestling once and for all and that the Fullers have had the last laugh. -The Fullers and Jimmy Golden leave the interview area Steve Stack: This may very well be the most personal issue I have ever seen in my many years in professional wrestling. I've never seen a family so torn apart by hatred and jealousy and I can only imagine how Roy Lee Welch feels hearing everything that was just said about him and his father. We'll be talking to Roy Lee Welch in our next segment but right now I'm scheduled to talk to his opponent for TV today, the challenger for Roy's TV Title, Mike Masters and his manager 'Gentleman' Jim Holliday. Steve Stack: Welcome to the program. Before we talk about today's TV Title match, Mr. Holliday I wanted to ask you about the 6 man tag team match from last Sunday night. At the end of the match we saw you have a little conference with Mike Masters and Timothy Flowers outside the ring and then the two of them went back inside the ring and attacked their partner for the match Art Crews. Why exactly did you instruct them to turn on Art Crews and attack him? Holliday: It's very simple Steve Stack and really shouldn't require an explanation if you were paying attention. Mike Masters and Timothy Flowers were putting on an incredible display of wrestling ability and toughness during the match only to be continually brought down by the inability of Art Crews. I wanted everyone in the arena, and especially Mike Masters and Timothy Flowers, to know that they are a cut above a guy like Art Crews. To know that they are the cream of the crop, two of the absolute best rising stars in all of professional wrestling while Art Crews is someone who has never been anything in wrestling and never will be. Timothy Flowers came into this area with a huge albatross around his neck and Sunday night I set him free from it and I promise you this Sunday night you will see an entirely new man in Timothy Flowers when he steps into the ring against his former partner Art Crews. Steve Stack: I could certainly find fault with your description of that match, especially seeing as how it was Mike Masters and Timothy Flowers who refused to tag in at the end of the match, leaving Art Crews at the mercy of Man Mountain Link. But we don't have a lot of time left in this segment so let's move on and quickly talk about the main event of this program with Mike Masters taking on the Southwest Television Champion, Roy Lee Welch. Holliday: I think Roy's family just said about all that needed to be said about what kind of a man he is. The only thing they got wrong was Ron Fuller saying he was going to take the TV title away from Roy because he won't have that TV Title after today because he won't be saved by the bell this time, Mike Masters is going to come into this match focused on getting that Full Nelson locked in as soon as possible so there won't be any time limits saving his belt this time. Steve Stack: I'd like to talk just a little bit more about that match and Mike Masters' match this Sunday night with Steve Pardee but the producer is telling me we're out of time on this segment so Mr. Holliday, Mike Masters thank you for your time out here today and we'll certainly see if you're able to make good on that threat of taking the TV Title away from Roy Lee Welch later on in the program. Right now we've got to take a commercial break but when we come back we are going to talk to the Southwest Television Champion Roy Lee Welch about his title match today and get his side of the story after everything that was said out here earlier about his father and his family's history. Don't go away, we'll be right back! -Third commercial break- Steve Stack: Welcome back to Southwest Championship Wrestling! I'm getting ready now to bring out the Southwest Television Champion Roy Lee We- -Suddenly Jose Lothario comes into the interview area- Steve Stack: Jose what are you doing out here? You don't have any time scheduled on this program today and I don't have time to be interrupted. Jose Lothario: Well you're just going to have to find the time because I have something very important I need to tell my people! Last Sunday night the man that I found to be the manager of while I wait for my hand to heal made his first appearance at the HemisFair Arena but the racist Stanley Blackburn is refusing to sanction him to wrestle in the AWA because he says he already has too many Spanish speaking people on the roster! Steve Stack: That is an absolute lie Jose! This is why I told you I don't have time for you out here today, I am not going to let you spread those kinds of disgusting lies! Jose Lothario: Then you tell me Steve Stack, why would Stanley Blackburn deny me my right to wrestle and force me to be a manger, why did he suspend Mil Mascaras and why is he refusing to sanction the Cuban Assassin as a wrestler? Steve Stack: 1. Because everyone knows you would just use the cast on your right hand as a weapon, giving you an unfair advantage in your matches 2. Because Mil Mascaras hit referee Carl Fergie with a chair and the precedent has been set that violence on a referee leads to a suspension and 3. Because your man the Cuban Assassin made his first appearance here by ruining a Southwest Heavyweight Title match by attacking El Gran Apollo after he made his entrance and cut him open with a spike! An attack that has caused El Gran Apollo to miss action this week due to the severity of that cut above his eye and that amount of blood he lost last Sunday night! And I know that Stanley Blackburn has said that he WOULD allow Cuban Assassin to wrestle here if you or him pay the fine of $2500 that he received for that attack! Jose Lothario: I refuse to be extorted! I already have my own problems being denied my right to work and now Stanley Blackburn wants to reach into my pocket even further I won't allow it! That's why I am asking my faithful fans to send money to me so that I can pay that fine and - Steve Stack: Jose that's enough! You are not going to beg the fans to pay that fine for you on this program I am not going to allow it! Get out of here Jose! Jose Lothario: I can't believe the way you and Stanley Blackburn are treating a legend of Texas! I will leave but this is not the last you will hear of me! -Jose Lothario leaves the interview area and Roy Lee Welch comes in Steve Stack: Welcome back to Southwest Championship Wrestling! With me now is the current Southwest Television Champion, Roy Lee Welch! Roy before we talk about your match today I wanted to know what you had to say about the comments made by your cousins out here earlier? Roy Lee Welch: Steve you have no idea how hard it was for me to sit back there in the locker room and listen to those men lie about my father and run his name into the dirt! Everything that they had to say out here about my father was a lie and I don't even know why they did it except to maybe just get in my head and mess with me! But that was a huge mistake Steve Stack because I'm madder than I've ever been in my life and this Sunday night I really don't give a damn about winning or losing that six man tag match, all I want to do is hurt somebody! I am going to be looking to send one of my cousins back to THEIR fathers crying about how they've lost their livelihood in the sport of professional wrestling and how they are going to have to find a new line of work! Steve Stack: So you're saying your father Lester Welch never stole money from their father Buddy Fuller? Welch: Absolutely not Steve Stack! Our fathers were business partners and when Uncle Buddy wanted to sell his towns and get out of promoting then he asked Lester Welch to handle the negotiations and then my father paid him his share of the money. The idea that Ron and Robert Fuller grew up in poverty without food or heat during the winter is the most disgusting lie I've ever heard! They were the ones who grew up having everything given to them by their father! Ron Fuller went to college and played basketball for the University of Miami! They were cocky arrogant jocks growing up who liked to push me around and beat on me because I was the "runt" of the family and Jimmy Golden was right there with them! My father never stole anything from anyone, much less his own family. Our grandfather didn't want Buddy wrestling under the Welch name because it stands for something. It stands for doing things the right way, for being a man's man, for never backing up and always being a man of your word. That's why he didn't want Buddy to wrestle under the Welch name and THAT'S why he had to make his own name as a Fuller. The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree with his sons and you can see what kind of men they are, and I use that term loosely. I strive hard to live up to the great name of my grandfather and sometimes I might have fallen short in my career but I would never come out here and drag it through the mud the way the my cousins did here today by even admitting they are a part of the Welch family tree. Well let me tell you something Steve Stack, I plan on pruning that tree real well this Sunday and there are going to be a lot more FORMER wrestlers in the family when I get finished! -Roy Lee Welch storms out of the interview area- Steve Stack: That may have been the most intense interview I have ever been a part of, I can just feel the emotion running through Roy Lee Welch by standing next to him. I would have liked to get a word from him about his match today against Mike Masters but I can't blame him for walking off from the interview when he did. Right now we're going to head down to the ring for our second match of the day pitting the team of Mike Jackson and Tony Torres against the Japanese duo, Mr. Saito and Yoshi Seito. Steve Stack: That was a somewhat dubious win by the Japanese team of Mr. Saito and his pupil Yoshi Seito! They'll be in action this Sunday night in a rematch against Ken Lucas and Eddie Gilbert and the winners of that match will be the number one contenders to the AWA Southwest Tag Team Titles held by The Fabulous Ones! And speaking of The Fabulous Ones we're going to talk to them when we come back from this time out for our sponsors so I KNOW that you aren't going to want to touch that dial! Don't go way we'll be right back! -Fourth commercial break- Steve Stack: Welcome back here on Southwest Championship Wrestling! With me now are the reigning Southwest Tag Team Champions, Stan Lane and Steve Keirn: The Fabulous Ones! Last week we heard from Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden that you had lost your AWA National Tag Team Titles while defending them against The Heavenly Bodies team of Bobby Eaton and Tom Prichard while in Birmingham, Alabama. It seems that was actually true as you're out here this week without those belts. Stan Lane: Unfortunately it is true Steve Stack, we were robbed of our belts while defending them in Alabama thanks to The Heavenly Bodies manager Jim Cornette, his tennis racket and one of the most clueless referees I've ever seen. We're working on trying to get The Heavenly Bodies to come here to San Antonio and defend those titles on our turf but of course their manager is doing everything he can to block that so we'll just have to see how things go. We may just have to go back to Alabama and take the belts from them their but we'd like for the fans here in the area to be able to see us do it in person. Steve Stack: It seems you're running into quite a lot of problems with teams from the Southeastern area with The Heavenly Bodies there and Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden here. Steve Keirn: You know when we signed to face Roy Lee Welch and Robert Fuller a few weeks ago we thought it was just going to be a match where we could actually trust our opponents to just wrestle us and not have to worry about chains, chairs or outside interference. But when Jimmy Golden came out for the match we suspected something wasn't right but we let them lure us into a false sense of security and we almost paid for it once they showed their true colors and started using that chain. And then last week they pulled the same thing and once again it was Roy Lee Welch who got us out of a jam and so this week we thought it was only right that we return the favor. We're not really much for getting involved in other people's family disputes but since Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden got us involved in it on their own we figured we might as well help Roy finish the fight. Steve Stack: I know that six man tag is certainly going to be a wild one with the tensions running as high as they are, I'm not sure I've ever been around an issue quite as heated as this one between The Fullers, Jimmy Golden and Roy Lee Welch. Stan Lane: We heard everything that was said out here about it earlier and we obviously believe Roy Lee Welch's side of the story. We had a few problems with Roy when he first came into the area and he was teamed up with Eddy Mansfield but since then he's shown himself to be a stand up guy and this Sunday we're going to be right there at his side to help him send his cousins back to Alabama where they belong. Steve Stack: I try to stay impartial and not openly root for any competitors in a match but this time I'll say I'm solidly behind you two and Roy Lee Welch and hope you're victorious this Sunday night. Steve Keirn: Well thank you Steve that's certainly what we intend to do. -The Fabulous Ones leave the interview area and Jim Duggan comes out Steve Stack: And now let me bring in the man who will finally receive the Southwest Heavyweight Title match he's been after for months, the 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan! Jim congratulations on finally getting your title match, I know it's been a long time coming for you. Jim Duggan: You've got that right Steve Stack, it feels like an eternity that I've been chasing after Tully Blanchard. I heard Stanley Blackburn was going to give El Gran Apollo a deserved rematch due to the way he was attacked before last week's match but since he was unable to wrestle this week I got the match instead. And once I beat Tully for the Southwest Heavyweight Title on Sunday night I promise I'll give that kid his rematch for the Southwest Heavyweight Title and without trying to cheat him or ramming his head into a ring post like Tully Blancchard. Steve Stack: I know Tully Blanchard and if there is anything I'm sure of it's that he has some kind of trick up his sleeve to try and cheat YOU this week and do anything it takes to keep that title around his waist. Are you prepared for any surprises that Tully may pull out of his hat this Sunday night? Jim Duggan: It seems like I've been doing nothing but dealing with surprises lately Steve Stack to being attacked by a fake photographer to having my partners turn on me for money I'm not sure what's left that could happen to me that hasn't happened already. But I'm going to be ready for whatever Tully is scheming this Sunday because I know that I probably only have one chance to take that belt from him and I'm going to make it count! Steve Stack: Well Jim I'd like to ask you some more questions about your match with Tully and also get your opinion on the Lights Out match between Ron Starr and Abdullah the Butcher but we're running out of time in this segment and I still need to talk to your opponent this Sunday night so I'll just thank you for coming out here! Jim Duggan: I'll just tell you I have faith that Ron Starr is going to be able to handle that big fat Abdullah the Butcher and promise you next week I'm going to be out here with a nice shiny Southwest Heavyweight Title on my shoulder! -Jim Duggan leaves the interview area and Tully Blanchard comes in Steve Stack: Now before we have to take our next break, Tully I wanted to get a quick word from you about your title defense this Sunday night against 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan. Tully: Why is it that the Southwest Heavyweight Champion only has time for a quick word? You let The Fullers and Roy Lee Welch come out here and eat up what felt like a half hour between the bunch of them telling their whole family history and I only get a minute or two? What kind of ridiculousness is that? I'm the champion, I'm the most important man in this area, I'm the Texas Dynasty why are you wasting all this time out here on those Alabama hillbillies? Steve Stack: Well Tully I'm sorry that your interview time got cut short but spending your time complaining about how you don't have any time isn't exactly going to make the situation any better. Tully: Don't you get smart with me Steve Stack! You tell me why this loser Jim Duggan even has a shot at my Southwest Heavyweight Title? He lost 2 weeks in a row to The Zambuie Express and last week at the HemisFair Arena he didn't even have a match, he and Ron Starr just beat up The Zambuies and stole their money! Now I've got no love for Sheik Adnan but stealing a man's money is about as low as you can go and THAT'S who Stanley Blackburn thinks is worthy of getting a shot at my title? Steve Stack: Certainly we know you'd never stoop to stealing anything Tully, not like you've ever stolen a win or a title. Tully: I just told you not to get smart with me Steve Stack! You keep pressing your luck and I'll put you out to pasture like I did David Von Erich who is still stumbling around on his daddy's farm trying to remember that floozy's name who has to spoon feed him his meals! I'm the Southwest Heavyweight Champion, I deserve far more respect than you are showing me and - Steve Stack: Tully I'm sorry but you're out of time! We have to take a time out for our last commercial break of the day and when we come back we'll have our main event of Roy Lee Welch defending the Southwest TV Title against Mike Masters. Tully: How dare you cut me off! You tell the producer to go long! You tell them to buy more time! I'm the Texas Dynasty and -Fifth and final commercial break- Steve Stack: I'd like to apologize to Tully Blanchard for cutting him off at the end of that last segment but I did try and warn him that we were running short on time on today's program. Now without any further ado let's send it down to the ring for today's main event, Roy Lee Welch defending the Southwest Television Title against Mike Masters! Mike Masters looks ready to jump in the ring and attack The Fullers and Golden for getting him disqualified but Jim Holliday stops him and convinces him it's not worth the fight. Robert Fuller looks to be setting up the Fuller Leglock on Roy when suddenly The Fabulous Ones hit the ring and put a stop to it! A huge brawl breaks out between the two teams in Sunday's six man tag as the show is going off the air! Steve Stack: It's pandemonium here in The Junction! We've got an all out war going on in the ring but we're all out of time! Be sure to get your tickets for this Sunday night's huge night of action at The HemisFair Arena! Ron Fuller, Robert Fuller and Jimmy Golden against The Fabulous Ones and Roy Lee Welch in a six man tag team match, Jim Duggan facing Tully Blanchard with the Southwest Title on the line, Ron Starr battling Abdullah the Butcher in a Light's Out match and much much more! And don't forget to join us here next week for more of the most exciting hour in all of professional wrestling right here on Southwest Championship Wrestling! Scheduled for Sunday, November 13th at the HemisFair Arena in San Antonio, TX Unsanctioned by the AWA Lights Out Match: Ron Starr vs. Abdullah the Butcher The Fabulous Ones & Roy Lee Welch vs. Ron Fuller, Robert Fuller & Jimmy Golden Southwest Heavyweight Title:Jim Duggan vs. Tully Blanchard Winners receive a Southwest Tag Team Title shot: Mr. Saito & Yoshi Seito vs. Ken Lucas & Eddie Gilbert Mike Masters vs. Steve Pardee Man Mountain Link & Tiny Anderson vs. Bruiser Costa & Terry Adonis Art Crews vs. Timothy Flowers Yin & Yang vs. Mike Jackson & Tony Torres
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The "getting pinned X number of times" thing for a TDM or LMS would kind of defeat the whole purpose of the match of it leading to one guy well and truly knocked out and unable to continue.
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I'm not sure why anyone ever really put stock into that rumor. Bray Wyatt is clearly not a babyface character and especially not in the eyes of WWE.
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[1985-09-22-Mid South-Oklahoma City, OK] Dick Murdoch vs Butch Reed
goc replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in September 1985
I love this match and think the rematch is even better. I'm pretty sure I had the rematch at #2 on my Mid-South ballot, second to only the Duggan/DiBiase blow off match. -
Kayfabe wise you could always explain it as a guy letting himself get pinned so he can break the other's momentum and give himself a rest period. I've definitely seen some Texas Death matches where easy falls isn't really a thing and I think Iron Man matches and Survivor Series style elimination tags are worse offenders on that point.
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If you lump the old school Texas Death Matches in with the current Last Man Standing matches that would be the clear winner for me. Seems pretty much like the same match with just a different name. Texas Death Matches were always kinds of variable in the rules anyway with the count being different in some places and some taking place in a Cage.
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This was a perfectly acceptable undercard match. Higgins bumping also really stood out to me especially the back body drops and the German Suplex. I'm surprised that a guy with his size and athletic ability didn't ever wind up getting a big push from Watts.
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[1984-01-13-Houston Wrestling] Midnight Express vs El Bracero & Lanny Poffo
goc replied to shoe's topic in January 1984
I liked this a lot and kind of wish there were more Bracero/Poffo matches to look forward to as they are kind of a natural team as undercard babyfaces who were very "flippy" for the time period. Bracero put in a great performance as the FIP and continues to make me want to see more of him. The hot tag was surprisingly very weak as it just kind of happened and wasn't built to at all but the MX busted out a great double team move to finish off the match. Not one of the MX's "greatest hits" but definitely a good match. -
[1983-12-16-Houston Wrestling] Lanny Poffo vs Tom Lintz
goc replied to shoe's topic in December 1983
This was pretty fun although the bearhug section felt like it went on a bit too long or at least they could have done more to try and make it interesting. The opening stuff was good and I actually like Lanny working holds a lot more than I like Lanny doing "high flying" offense as I thought his front flip senton followed by a standing moonsault, while an impressive sequence at the time, just looked REALLY light and like it wouldn't have hurt at all. Lintz is just so expressive in his work I feel like he would have had a really good Memphis run in him and be remembered a lot more if he'd have wound up working there for a stint instead of in the unfortunately off the radar Southeastern/Continental territory. -
The matches in bold are things that have not been previously released and aren't in circulation on something like the DVDVR Mid-South set.
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I'm always looking for extra work Bruce add me to the NWAClassics.com team
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Do you know the date on that match Bruce? They have a match from 12/27/84 already up on the site and I couldn't find another result between the two of them.
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Poffo/Bracero vs. MX was just uploaded and I thought it was a pretty good match. Not really a great Poffo showcase though with Bracero getting a lot more time in the match. I think Poffo vs. Masao Ito and Poffo vs. Barry Orton are much better looks at Poffo as far as NWAClassics stuff goes. I like Masao Ito a lot but I thought that Lanny really out shined him in that match as was the one responsible for the interesting parts of it and the Barry Orton match was way better than I would have ever expected it to be on paper. I like Poffo and I think he was really good in his role but at the same time I don't see him as a "guy who didn't get the push he deserved." He was a fun undercard worker who could sometimes surprise you with a really good performance. I don't think he was really someone who could have or should have been pushed much higher than that. I definitely think that part of why he didn't get more traction is that his high flying stuff, especially his moonsault looks incredibly light. His moonsault often looks like it couldn't break an egg and if you're the smaller guy using high flying stuff to even the odds it needs to at least look painful especially during that era particularly in a territory like Mid-South.