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  1. I prefer wrestlers having an array of signature moves over having a single finisher, where any one of them (or combination of them, as the case may be) can end the match. So I guess, depending on how you use the word, it wouldn't bother me, if everyone had 5-6 potential ways to end a match. We also don't get enough quick rollups, inside cradles, etc. as finishes.
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  5. WCW didn't even recognize that as a title change. That's probably why. There was precedent for held up titles not being considered title changes when the champion got the belt back. Backlund-Valentine in the WWF would be the main example.
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  7. PG-13 and Tracy Smothers were a little too late. Maybe not PG-13 because of their size, since I'm not sure they would have gotten opportunity at all in the 80s, but they just had so few teams to work with in the 90s. Nick Dinsmore was too late as well: solid worker and a strong promo, but more in a way that aligned with the previous generation.
  8. It was supposed to be a schmozz with "Will they get contracts?" as a hook for Monday night, with everything happening the same after that.
  9. I remember that it was a long time before the Chamber was any type of draw at all, but they kept pushing it and pushing it because it cost almost $2 million to build and they felt like they had to make it work.
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  14. He likes the HHH-Cactus No Way Out match better than the Rumble, it's really okay. I'm kidding. It's not that everyone tagged is someone we seriously think has a case. Some people we just think are worth tracking throughout the decade.
  15. Roman Reigns was incredible in that opening segment I thought. That icy stare and the chance to actually cut a badass promo. Other than the Goldberg segment, that was all I saw. The more badass presentation of guys like Joe, Reigns, Strowman, Goldberg and Lesnar right now is in my mind how the top guys should be presented, and it would be cool to see a strong shift in that direction and away from the irony and catchphrases of acts like Chris Jericho and New Day.
  16. Kellyanne is a great heel and would make an outstanding wrestling character. She'd need lots of clients who say ridiculous things, then go back and say "If you really listen to what he said, I think you'll see what he meant was ..." and that sort of thing. Could be a great gimmick. I don't know that anyone is fully analogous.
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  18. I've seen 1/30 in multiple places. I'm as sure as I possibly can be that's correct.
  19. Has anyone ever figured out an effective way to keep everyone involved at all times? That doesn't mean being busy for the sake of it, but it does mean not purposely lying on the outside for several minutes and doing a turn taking match.
  20. I do think part of drawing is the guys who are headlining, probably the biggest part, but I also think there are extraneous factors that do make a difference that are rarely brought up in such discussions. It's hard to discuss anyone's drawing power at a high level unless you are talking about someone iconic like Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin. Most headliners have good periods and bad periods, good towns and bad towns, good opponents and bad opponents, etc. To me, to really look at drawing, you have to also look at things like ticket prices, weather, the local economy, crime where the arena is located, air conditioning and heating in the building, the booking of the last show in the building, night of the week and time of the year. I think you also have to, when possible, even look at differences in how the show was advertised. Maybe the last show did 10,000 with primarily television advertising. This time, most advertising was on the radio and the show did 8,000. You can't really blame that on the performers. Maybe a market lost syndication, or it was moved to a less desirable time slot. That stuff of course requires a lot of deep digging. I remember reading a story that fascinated me. Sting vs Luger headlined a show in Raleigh, NC, on New Year's Day in January 1990 that did the best WCW gate in that town in 18 months. The WWF noticed and hired away their local promoters who were longtime Carolinas mainstays. Their assigned mission was to fight dirty. Within weeks, WCW lost one of their syndicated shows in Raleigh, and the other show was moved to 3am. WCW came back three weeks later and attendance dropped by 75% with a Flair-Luger main event. Looking at those numbers with no context, you'd come away thinking Flair's time on top was up and that he needed to be replaced with Sting when that really didn't tell the whole story. And sadly, I think, mostly because of necessity and lack of information, that's often how we look at drawing. We have less information and come up with faulty conclusions. For every story like that, there are probably 50 or 60 more.
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  22. Wrestling fans have always speculated about what's coming. It's a sign of engagement.
  23. Sometimes, clipping is done in a way that you can still get a feel for the match, but I don't think that was the case here. I had a tough time getting a feel for what was going on, which is unfortunate since I was excited to see the first Negro Casas singles match of 2000, even if we only had 9 minutes of it. It doesn't look to have been anything special, but I do think it's just as possible the editing was bad. We didn't even see what led to Negro's La Magistral win in the third fall. It just happened.
  24. Flair gets a shockingly lukewarm reaction coming out, but wakes the people up when he starts talking. Luger is a better talker when he has to share interview time with Flair, but Flair is a total incoherent cartoon character here. Luger is obsessed with mentioning his body fat percentage. Hennig cuts them off when they start running down Minnesota. This is such a weird back and forth. I think Flair is on drugs. Hennig promises to streak in Minneapolis if he can't beat Ric tonight, and he's so much better as a hometown babyface than he is in any other role at this point. I hate this trend in both companies of double the time being given for hyping the match as for the match itself, as this gets less than four minutes, but it's set up with a 7-minute interview segment. This is a slower version of Flair-Hennig from even three years earlier but they make up for it with lots of hard chops and that plus it being in Minnesota works. Luger interferes after Hennig hits the ref for weird reasons that make no sense. The referee comes revives after Luger bails, but then Hennig tries to hit Flair with a chair, only to get pinned after an old-fashioned kick to the balls. Bad setup, a match that is a decline from years earlier even if I still sort of liked things about it and a mess of a finish. Don't rush to see this.
  25. The anti-highlight video HHH had production put together is priceless and gets huge heat at Madison Square Garden. I cracked up that Shane cut a promo that's pretty close thematically to the promo he cut when he returned last year. He's still waiting his turn to run the show nearly two decades later. HHH's asshole attitude toward Rock is off the charts, and he ends up setting up a match between Rock and Brooklyn Brawler for the night. Rock gets shown up by all the heels and is left at a loss for words in a way I have never quite seen. Rock comes out later in the show to make short work of the Brawler and immediately calls out HHH for a fight. HHH is ready to go until Shane comes out to talk him out of it, thinking this is all a ruse to manipulate a title match. Stephanie set up a handicap match where if Rock wins by pinfall, he gets the #1 contendership and goes to Wrestlemania. These guys are over and very good at what they do, but this was seriously almost 27 minutes of setup over two segments and was a test to sit through. As much goodwill as HHH has built up in January and February, looking at what's ahead in the next few months and how all of this played out, he may have already peaked as far as that goes. We'll see, I'm trying to keep an open mind and he has already surprised me. The match had a lot of heat, as it should with the big stars at MSG, but it was a handicap match and more of a vehicle to play out an angle. Rock has victory in hand after a Rock Bottom and People's Elbow on HHH, but Shane breaks up the pin to cause an intentional DQ, leaving Rock to get laid out after the match. I'm not revealing some grand secret in saying this, but they made the build to this particular Wrestlemania way too complicated.
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