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This is not directed at anyone specific, I promise, but I would like for us to stop relating this to our personal experiences and body types, and focus on pro wrestling only if we could.
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This was awesome. Osaka Pro has been inconsistent thus far, but here, they are doing Michinoku Pro better than Michinoku Pro, and in a compact 8 minutes to boot! My first time to see Ebessan in a match! Togo and Delphin still got the magic, and the new crop of guys all shined as well. This excited me for Osaka Pro. ***1/2
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This wasn't one of the best Crazy Max matches we've seen by any means, but it had a certain charm about it that I really appreciated. It feels weird to think of wrestlers like Shinzaki and Sasuke as the previous generation, but at this point, that is exactly what they are. CIMA continues to impress and was by far the best performer in the match. It did seem at times like he had a couple of great ideas and did his part, but the others didn't do their part, so the sequence was executed okay, but it fell flat of what it could have been. It seems like a constant in most wrestling companies is that the hot heels do the job to the old legends, and it's rarely the right move, but I thought it was okay here as a one-off. I just wish it had happened after someone else had given the group some measure of comeuppance. ***1/4
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[2000-03-04-Michinoku Pro] Tiger Mask IV vs Minoru Fujita
Loss replied to soup23's topic in March 2000
Technically solid and good work but lacking any real emotion, kinda like well-prepared cuisine with no seasoning. It's funny that Chad pointed to Minoru Tanaka, because I definitely see that, but my mind went back to all of those disappointing Doc-Gordy tags in early 90s All Japan. Well-worked, but very much the kind of match that good wrestlers have because that's what good wrestlers do, more than it is something that stands out. *** -
Why aren't 3-way and 4-way matches a bigger deal?
Loss replied to rzombie1988's topic in Pro Wrestling
I would like a pay-per-view long Gauntlet Match at some point, especially when it's a theme PPV like Raw vs Smackdown or something. Guys face off in 1:1 matches, then the winner faces someone new, then the winner someone new and so on and so on. So the whole show is a continuous match. -
Pretty great match. LCO are able to flip a lot of things I normally don't care for in wrestling matches on their head a little bit -- in this case, a cage match that's mostly garbage brawling. Of course, this doesn't resonate like Rage in the Cage did, but that's a pretty high standard. I think the reason is that they kept the violence quotient high instead of relying on the gimmicks as a crutch. After the late '90s, I'll admit I'm a bit sick of LCO matches like this, but I can't deny how great this was. ****
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PMd you, Grimmas.
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Why aren't 3-way and 4-way matches a bigger deal?
Loss replied to rzombie1988's topic in Pro Wrestling
Are the best 4-way matches better than the best 3-way matches generally? And at what point (5-ways, 6-ways, etc.) does it start becoming ridiculous? Just wondering if there are any observable patterns. -
Fans still care about body types to an extent, but I do think it matters less now than it has maybe ever. Fans like wrestlers who can go. Now I do think there are aspects of wrestling that aren't as flashy that some fans don't appreciate as much, and some of those are often employed by bigger wrestlers, but I see that as a different conversation. As for the size debate, I think the main thing that has always bugged me about it is when caring about it comes from people who talk about wrestling openly and with the acknowledgment that it's fake all the time -- if most of your discussion of wrestling is about booking or match quality, your disbelief has not been suspended in a long time, so what does it matter? I think it would be bad wrestling for a huge guy and a small guy to have a match and not even play up their difference in size when it's right there as something to work with, but I don't think it stretches credibility to do the match in the first place. On a show where Randy Orton has a camera in a cabin or entrance music accompanies run-ins because reasons, credibility is low value currency.
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To be fair, they have gone that way in wrestling in recent times too. But everyone understands how that's a bad thing. I think.
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Even WAR never hosted Tom Zenk, Vince Russo & Awesome Kong vs Missing Link, Jimmy Uso & Teddy Long. But we did see Sting vs Meng in a WCW ring. But you had to fork over bling and have a cable box thing.
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Do they have a responsibility to get over their opponents in their promos and not hit on obvious weaknesses? Do they have a responsibility to get the other guy more over if that's what is best for business and the promoter wants to build around that guy?
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Reigns won the 2015 Royal Rumble. It all goes back to that. He became irredeemable as a top babyface that night.
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Right. Just going from the gut, I think the hand wringing turns out to be correct in hindsight all but maybe 5% of the time. When things are consistently good for an extended period of time, companies tend to get the benefit of the doubt, to the point that their defenders are mocked as "fanboys".
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Not too much to say about this one. Another strong CMLL brawl that peaks at the right time and continues to build interest in the 3/17 show, specifically in the Atlantis-Villano III feud, although Satanico and his shaved head seeking revenge on Tarzan Boy suggests that there is far more environmentally friendly renewable fuel in that tank. I liked the post-match beatdown quite a bit as a way to put as much heat as possible on Villano III. Very good match. ***1/2
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And for several years, how some people thought Flair should get the run as the veteran going for one last big run as champion that he had already done in 1993 and that wouldn't be topped. Fans aren't particularly good at knowing when it's time for wrestlers to pack up and go home, but it's not really their job to tell wrestlers that either.
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What percentage of the time do you think WWE storylines payoff in satisfying fashion? I am afraid to provide my answer to that for fear it will be seen as a troll, but I am genuinely curious. I will provide it at some point after other people provide theirs.
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They are both promoters. They have the same goals. Wrestlers and fighters don't have the same goals. What's not to understand?
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The comparisons should stop at Vince McMahon and Dana White.
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Beating Cena should still be a special thing, and ideally, the only guys doing it should be those who its clear have something special. Beating Brock means something. Beating Undertaker means something. Beating HHH means something. Cena still means more to the company's bottom line than each of them, so him doing jobs should be rare and special. I have no problem with him becoming even more protected as he gets into his 40s so that he maintains his aura as he gets older. That said, the promos suck and usually undercut the guys he's working with, and they are a problem. Pointing out that life sucks for Miz because despite his beautiful wife, despite that he is no longer the "soft" guy he used to be, despite that he truly did bring prestige back to the Intercontinental title in a way it hasn't had in a long time and despite that in the ring, for the last year, he has backed up every word that has come out of his loud, annoying mouth, as long as John Cena is around he will never be The Man would be way better. Cena puts Miz over by validating Miz's improvement, puts himself over and gives their feud a hell of a lot more importance because both guys are treating it as a clash of worthy somebodies.
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Instead of feuds being about internal company politics and card placement, why can't feuds be about issues manufactured entirely within the WWE universe? I guess when that happens, we get cheesy stuff like Orton-Bray a lot of the time, but yeah, something like Jericho-Owens, where they had no strong real life bromance but one was created and destroyed entirely in storyline, is more what I wish was the norm.
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I know it's a bit out of the box, but I could actually see a Rusev babyface turn working. He has a certain charm about him. Maybe he and Seth should flip spots on the card.
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Orton-Bray is really really really really really bad. Did I mention it's really bad?
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Maybe I'm wrong (I probably am), but I do think there's reason to worry about fan reaction to a Hogan return.