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Wait wait...you got it wrong...Marty was scared of Shawn that he jumped through the glass afraid of what might happen to him...if Bobby Heenan says so, that it must be!

Well yeah. They couldn't have Orton lose the belt he won at Summerslam one month later at a September PPV... unless it was to Triple H WWE has been surprising lately, so who knows... I still think Bryan wins, but is forced to give the title back and is then not allowed anymore title matches due to someone (hopefully Cody) running in....that type of thing...I would LOVE that...especially if, as said before, Cody and Dustin maybe have something to do with the end when it looks like the Shield and Orton are gonna prevail.. That would kick this into HIGH gear....will wait to see what happens... I am the one who brought up the Rhodes interference at NOC but after last night played out with Stephanie's gloating after Goldust lost, I am thinking there is a different payoff planned for that particular angle. Plus the Big Show is too tied in the core storyline with DB and the Regime. I think whatever the outcome is, Show's actions will decide it (forced interference, heel turn or outright rebellion leading to his own termination). I think the Rhodes thing won't be paid off until after the Bionic Elbow man gets involved down the road. They will want to sell the firing as long as possible. I hope you are right....but 3 things: 1. The Cody thing woudlnt get his job back and just make him hotter for a return 2. The belt would be returned the next night to Orton, really angering fans and kicking that HHH COO into another level. 3. This one is the sad one, looking at the Punk thing in 2011, will they really wait more than a month to hold anything off?? I just love your idea that I am actually really really hoping it happens! It would still allow for soo much more...Big Show can still be involved the next night, forced to take the belt from Bryan and at NOC he could be banned from ringside by HHH or be fired.

Thanks, I read a good small article that really wrapped my head around the way Puro works in that they are all one culture of people (Japanese) built around respect, so these matches are just for that...respect. You can lose and still be better than before and so on.. I tend to forget living in the melting pot of culture that is the US taht we have soo many different cultural things, and are vastly different....where in Japan, they are all one culture and together in that... So thanks so far!! Next Question: Aside from NJPW, what else is good right now for Puro? AJPW isnt I have read? Any others?

Heard the rest of the show...great stuff....really really enjoyed it.... And I agree about Alex Wright...when he was turned heel and had that just asshole German gimmick going, it was fuckin money (to me anyway!). You just wanted to bitch slap him when he'd come out talk, and do that dumb fuckin dance and tell everyone how great he was...the true meaning of a great heel.....then Berlin happened...It was never gonna happen, but Wright should have been used better in that asshole gimmick. I was a big fan of the 5 month 97 era TV title (April to Sept) with Ultimo / Regal / Wright / fighting for it. They had some good matches with no stupid main event booking so you got finishes as well...decent matches that are worth re-watching....

Things get better starting after this show....I promise...... Again, from the point you are at now until the end of WCW is one of my guilty pleasures.. It wont be workrate great, it wont be "OH my god, this is amazing stuff"....but its fuckin enjoyable from all the things I listed.. Plus, Steiner and Goldberg feud starts next and that is good shit...

YES....if ANYONE is new to watching videos online or wants to watch videos without being told format A doesnt work for this player, get VLC Media Player...its free and it plays ANYTHING you feed it, almost completely regardless of format.. I am in for this as well..will do a ballot....My Puro love and interest grows everyday, so I will really be enjoying this as well...

Well yeah. They couldn't have Orton lose the belt he won at Summerslam one month later at a September PPV... unless it was to Triple H WWE has been surprising lately, so who knows... I still think Bryan wins, but is forced to give the title back and is then not allowed anymore title matches due to someone (hopefully Cody) running in....that type of thing...I would LOVE that...especially if, as said before, Cody and Dustin maybe have something to do with the end when it looks like the Shield and Orton are gonna prevail.. That would kick this into HIGH gear....will wait to see what happens...

Got ya...thanks... One more for tonight...Who is Norio Honaga? He faced Liger OVER and OVER in 1991.... Thanks!

FUCKIN AWESOME...thanks so much... OK, I am into 1990 now... Misawa / Kawada / Kikuchi are a team of sorts, while Jumbo has Taue / Fuchi and others....Taue is a younger guy as well correct? What is his deal being with Jumbo? Or is he just one of the younger guys that stayed loyal to his ace or trainer or head guy, while Misawa became a rival and took Kawada and Kikuchi with him? I am missing some others on both sides as well, I think?

I think it was both. It's pretty well known that a lot of dudes backstage hate Miz, or hated him at least, and for someone who hated him (and thought that he sucked) the fact that he got the WM main event spot "over me" would have made it worse. Miz was pretty hated in that period. I remember Alberto doing an out of character interview and saying he wanted to punch Miz in the face repeatedly. Even Cena threw some 'shoot' lines into his promo once about trying to carry Miz through their feud, which is pretty mind blowing from a guy as professional as Cena. Anothet thing I love its that although he got "the spot over me" as some have said....if most of them were told they werent really going to be the main focus of that Main Event, they (Punk) would be bitching about Rock taking the spotlight from them.... That is the first time I have read something about PUnk and thought "Shut the fuck up Punk...you are one of the best, still have a HUGE future of main events.....let it go.."

Well said, Loss...well said!!

None of this is meant to be taken personally or as an attack on someone's thoughts...all in good time and giving opinions....too much REAL important stuff in life to get actually angry due to someone not agreeing with me or taking a point I make and proving it wrong....this board I love for those reasons.....I dont know if anyone does take some of this stuff personally, but if they do...I dont know what to say...I dont and wont...to much shit in life that ends up bad to allow my passion and hobby to become that way. We are all wrestling fans and for that reason all have a passion for this..regardless of opinions.....

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I gotta disagree there Parv...the TV title in all of 86 was still #3...from AA taking it, to winning the tournament, to Dusty saying he was coming after him.....THe National title thing with Tully and Dusty was done by March and moved over to Garvin and Tully....and that feud started over the National title, but quickly became about taped fists, and the title was really no where to be found until Wahoo beat Tully for it at a house show and then unified it with Nikita..Meanwhile, the TV Title was a BIG focus all year and into the fall as Dusty is after Arn and the Horsemen (Dusty wins it back on TV from Arn ) and into their biggest show was one of the biggest matches, Dusty vs. Tully - 1st Blood for the TV Title.... Once you get to the first half of '87, The TV title really kind of sits hand and hand with the US Title as Nikita is soo busy with the Superpowers, and Tully is doing the $10,000 TV challenge matches weekly on TBS (the match vs. BRad Armstrong comes to mind on WCW). When Lex wins the US Title at the Bash, the US title then takes it spot back as #2 while Dusty and Tully battle it out in ladder and barbed wire matches, with more of the money being on the line than the title...When Tully finally drops the belt to Nikita, the belt then takes a serious decline in how important it is... From 85 - Middle 87, the TV was a HUGE part of Crockett... Havent listened yet, but really lookin forward to it....

That would be a riot....and could have a good draw to it if built right.....but the Shield would HAVE to win unless the Rhodes do some crazy amount of cheating and screwing around to win....

Under this thought process, you would have turned off WWF in 1997 due to so many bad decisions and booking issues through '96. You would have missed out on one of their BEST years storyline wise and the beginnings of their rise to re-take #1....

That is the point. Rhodes is the one guy right now who CAN do something about it. He is already fired. I guess they can still do the angle after Goldust loses, but I see it as an unnecessary thing. Remember, Maddox said Goldust has to win AND Cody has to apologize in order for him to get his job back. So I guess Goldust has to win, only for Cody to refuse to apologize... hopefully leading to the NOC scenario. Which means Orton has to lose to Dustin Rhodes, not a really appealing scenario... even if it is because DB helped Goldust. Right, BUT Cody doesnt have to have his job back to run-in during that match...having him fired AND then screwing Goldust over against Orton to get his job back would make him run in and cost Orton the match 10 times better...that crowd would pop HUGE...then HHH takes it back the next night....KICKS that angle into next gear!!!

This is a GREAT idea and can still happen no matter what Monday...Goldust loses, Cody is still jobless... At NOC, hops the rail and...what you said above... Monday night if he demanded the belt back.....it would kick this into high gear....especially if HHH is pissed as hell Sunday but Monday does the removal from Bryan and return to Randy in the same calm manner he's been doing...

That's fantastic. I'm a guy who also wants to know why people are fighting. As far as Misawa/ Kawada goes, I bought that set someone had out there about 6 years ago, and I figured it all out. And I love it. But I have to admit that I need the story to really dig a wrestling match. That's why I'm loving watching the PR stuff now that that awesome dude is filling in the stories. I stopped reading this thread after this quote....I couldnt say it better myself in terms of ALL wrestling......I need the story to enhance what I am about to see and really get me emotionally involved...otherwise, its two dudes slugging it out over nothing....like seeing a bar fight on the other side of the bar...sure its fun and seeing someone take a big punch is great...but knowing why they started fighting makes it WAY more overall enjoyable and allows me to understand why someone is getting his ass beat....

I found the end of RAW to be really good IMO...with Big Show being soo tore between doing what is right and doing what he has to do for work...I do agree about the "Dont make me do this Daniel" stuff...kind of made Bryan weak. He just beat Cena in a straight up match a few weeks ago and Cena has beaten Big Show over and over again...it made Bryan kind of look like the "Cruiserwight or Euro" Champ HHH talked about bringing back. If Bryan had been beat up pre-match and then went in still trying hard with that same Big Show stuff, it would have been MUCH better...made it look like Big Show could just crush Bryan anytime he wanted...and since Big Show has lost to soo many other top stars, they could also crush him... On a side note, I LOVE how HHH in his interview on WWE.com this week basically demeaned Bryan's WWE title win at Summerslam when he said how Cena "fought valiantly even though he had a severely torn muscle and still almost won"....great shot at Bryan without saying it in a big, angry way. Another reason HHH as COO and head of WWE on TV has been better than Vince was in 98 to me....just an asshole Corp leader that wants what he wants and what he considers "Best for Business..." Just watch one of the CNBC shows during the week and it shows how PERFECT he is doing this role compared to real Corp leaders that do things like huge layoffs and just calmly say "Best for Business..."

Yeah, I was going to make a similar point. Unless you want to be more specific, asking generic questions like "do promos matter?" or "how are angles built?" in regards to the entirety of Japanese wrestling, the only good answer I can give is "it depends on the company and the time frame" Considering I had to start somewhere, general questions come first....that being said, and now that I have learned some more, I can look into each individual promotion / group / etc...but there is no way to not ask general questions when you are just starting to learn about the whole of the Countries wrestling... Thanks a lot for the other info so far about the feuds and ways of doing things...I really appreciate it... Still searching the web for more of the cultural side of things.... Will have more questions later tonight!!! I picked up the Misawa / Kawada feud comp in a trade a few years ago as an add-in. It just sat in a pile for a while...after reading this and other reports / podcasts....I am pretty psyched to look into it....but getting through the 80's first.

Thanks...that all makes great sense.....appreciate it... Next questions: Was it not until the 80's that Japanese fought Japanese on a regular basis and it was pretty much just Japanese vs. Gaiijin (sp?) before that? I think I read that really Choshu turning on Fujinami was the first real time the Japanese vs. Japanese feuds really started in '82? I know from a lot of WWII reading and research about Japanese honor and care for each other, so in that case, how was the original Japanese "heel turns" handled (with Choshu)? Were fans really angry at him and since viewed as a true sport, did they hold actual resentment toward him like we've seen in North American promotions in the territory days? Finally...recommend any good books on a detailed history from Rikidozan to the Inoki / Baba splits and splits thereafter? Would really love to read the details of all that...have seen some info online, but its vague as to why certain things happened. Thanks again....sorry if I ask some "why does that matter" questions...but when I get to know something, my goal is to fully understand it from all angles...

Hoping to use this to ask questions as I go through and learn the odds and ends of Puro as well as angles and context...hoping the Puro pro's can help me along... OK, here I go, the first few...: 1. How are angles built? Is it all in ring? If A beats up B in a tag match, then they start to build to them in a big singles match later? 2. Is there much stock in interviews or interactions outside the ring? 3. Are Run-Ins a big deal in terms of building a feud or starting one? Those are my first few? Mind you these are all from a North American fan's point of view almost completely.... Thanks!