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Moondogs vs Tiger Conway Jr/Tim Horner 2/25/83 This is interesting. Conway Jr. has looked good on the footage we've seen. He been a convincing baby face. Horner has always been a solid underneath baby face. The Moondogs are most famous for their brawling, and when they're allowed to like in Memphis they get over big. These guys got around 18 minutes so they got the time to have a good match. We get an opening shine where we see the faces work over the legs. This is good solid wrestling. The faces get cut off and the Moondogs just beat down Horner. Horner does a good job getting sympathy from the crowd. The work on top of the Moondogs was pretty ho hum. Horner though connected with the crowd and the crowd rallied behind him. Horner really battles for the hot tag until he gets it. Conway in and the crowd goes wild. Conway with punches, and a lot of energy I think he goes for a Victory role and mess it up. Though they cover it pretty flawlessly.I was shocked the faces went over. 2 1/4*

This is interesting. Conway Jr. has looked good on the footage we've seen. He been a convincing baby face. Horner has always been a solid underneath baby face. The Moondogs are most famous for their brawling, and when they're allowed to like in Memphis they get over big. These guys got around 18 minutes so they got the time to have a good match. We get an opening shine where we see the faces work over the legs. This is good solid wrestling. The faces get cut off and the Moondogs just beat down Horner. Horner does a good job getting sympathy from the crowd. The work on top of the Moondogs was pretty ho hum. Horner though connected with the crowd and the crowd rallied behind him. Horner really battles for the hot tag until he gets it. Conway in and the crowd goes wild. Conway with punches, and a lot of energy I think he goes for a Victory role and mess it up. Though they cover it pretty flawlessly.I was shocked the faces went over. 2 1/4*

When I did Parv's Flair podcast the cage match made my top 20 of all Flair matches. I might have had it in my top 10.

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When you boil it down it's a formula or a system . Just like people have formulas to play black jack . I appreciate how well thought out it is. It still doesn't give your ballot more validity . We all lack holes on our viewing. That and what people value in their wrestling to me is what is going to make a ballot the most valid.

Hacksaw Duggan vs Mike Sharpe 2/25/83 This isn't walking tall Duggan.This is Rat Pack Duggan and he's a heel. I liked this match, but would have been better served if it was only booked to go 10 minutes instead of 14 and change. I really liked the 1st 6 minutes or so. I loved Duggan trying to tease an opening handshake that Mike turns the table on. Duggan bumps big and hard early to establish Sharpe. I love the Sharpe looking for approval from the crowd to stomp Duggan. I love when wrestling can be interactive in a good way. They do some more brawling. Then they shift gears and goes to a test of strength. This transitions into Duggan working the arm. I thought this was well done, but not what I need from a Duggan match. The arm work was done well. He also would punch and stomp the shoulder. Duggan also did some fun hair pulling for leverage. Sharpe's comeback is full of spirit. Duggan though ends him with the Spear. 2 1/2*

This isn't walking tall Duggan.This is Rat Pack Duggan and he's a heel. I liked this match, but would have been better served if it was only booked to go 10 minutes instead of 14 and change. I really liked the 1st 6 minutes or so. I loved Duggan trying to tease an opening handshake that Mike turns the table on. Duggan bumps big and hard early to establish Sharpe. I love the Sharpe looking for approval from the crowd to stomp Duggan. I love when wrestling can be interactive in a good way. They do some more brawling. Then they shift gears and goes to a test of strength. This transitions into Duggan working the arm. I thought this was well done, but not what I need from a Duggan match. The arm work was done well. He also would punch and stomp the shoulder. Duggan also did some fun hair pulling for leverage. Sharpe's comeback is full of spirit. Duggan though ends him with the Spear. 2 1/2*

Thanks man, it took us a bit to find our voice.

They both have been fantastic in completely different ways.

Parv to each their own. This looks like a program on how to rate players for a video game.

I'm perfectly happy with the much better Hulu version.

http://placetobenation.com/this-week-for-wrestling-for-december-12-2015/ Fall 1 . The boys look at Jose Lothario/Buddy Moreno vs Gran Goliath/Black Gordman from 2/24/84 and a fun ROH tv. Fall 2 Timothy is on to discuss Ch 23 of Progress and the 2 big shows that finished up the NJPW World Tag League. Fall 3 we have Breaking Ground , and the go home shows for NXT and WWE. What the boys liked and didn't like.

Nope, it's being edited.

1. LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD - 1. AJ Styles 2. Sasha Banks 3.Okada 3. MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER 1. Roderick Strong 2.AJ Styles 3.Timothy Thatcher 6. FEUD OF THE YEAR 1.Sasha Banks vs Bailey 2.Lethal vs Strong 3.Okada vs Styles

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Both performance in the ring as well as drawing power, marketability, value to the promotion and significance during the year among both shoot and worked matches should be considered for the big two awards. Most Outstanding Wrestler is purely the best in-ring, bell-to-bell performer. Anything that takes place in a legitimate match situation should not be considered. Best Box Office Draw is self-explanatory. It's open to everyone whether participating in worked or legitimate matches. This is for the person who moves ticket sales, TV ratings and/or PPV sales. Tag Team of the Year and Most Improved are both limited to worked promotions. Feud of the Year is about drawing money, creating excitement and delivering in the ring. Shoot feuds and worked feuds are both eligible. Best on Interviews and Most Charismatic are also open to both worked and shoot promotions. Best Promotion is open to worked and non-worked companies. Match of the Year is only for worked matches. Rookie of the Year is open to only pro wrestlers making a major promotion professional debut after September 1, 2012. Best and Worst TV announcer and Best and Worst Major show are also open to both worked and shoot promotions. "CATEGORY A" AWARDS. PICK A FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD PLACE FINISHER IN EACH CATEGORY. POINTS WILL BE AWARDED ON A 5-3-2 BASIS. THE WINNER OF THE AWARD IS DETERMINED BY TOTAL POINTS. 1. LOU THESZ/RIC FLAIR AWARD - This is open to pro wrestlers, for a combination of everything, being both important and influential this year in a positive manner from a business perspective, combining both box office impact as well as strong match quality in worked matches. Last year's top three were Shinsuke Nakamura, A.J. Styles and Hiroshi Tanahashi. 2. MMA MOST VALUABLE FIGHTER: This is also for a combination of fighting inside the ring and importance outside in a positive manner from a business perspective as well. Last year’s top three were Ronda Rousey, Chris Weidman and Jon Jones. 3. MOST OUTSTANDING WRESTLER: This is based on working ability in the ring only. Simply, the best workers in the world on a consistent basis over the past year. Drawing power, charisma and push shouldn't be considered. Last year's top three were A.J. Styles, Tomohiro Ishii and Shinsuke Nakamura. 4. MOST OUTSTANDING FIGHTER: This should be based on in-ring ability and wins against the top level of competition during the calender year. Last year's top three were Ronda Rousey, Chris Weidman and Demetrious Johnson. 5. BEST BOX OFFICE DRAW - Based on drawing big houses (or for that matter selling tickets to small houses as the case may be), buy rates and/or television ratings. Ring work shouldn't even be considered. Last year's top three were Ronda Rousey, John Cena and Hiroshi Tanahashi. 6. FEUD OF THE YEAR - This should be based on a combination of having a compelling storyline along with having great matches that should strengthen the box office. Last year's top three were Jon Jones vs. Daniel Cormier, Daniel Bryan vs. The Authority and Rush vs. Negro Casas. 7. TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR - For the best working and most valuable tag team during the previous year. Last year's top three were The Young Bucks, Bobby Fish & Kyle O’Reilly and T-Hawk & Eita. 8. MOST IMPROVED - This is based on making the biggest strides in ring work during the previous year. This should not be for someone who was already good, but was given a bigger push. Last year's top three were Rusev, Charlotte and Sasha Banks. 9. BEST ON INTERVIEWS - Who has given the best interviews on a consistent basis over the past year? Reputation from previous years shouldn't be taken into consideration. It should be based on work over the course of the year as opposed to one or two memorable interviews. Last year's top three were Paul Heyman, Conor McGregor and Jay Briscoe. 10. MOST CHARISMATIC - What person had to do the least to get the most out of it? Who do crowds naturally react to emotionally even before the person does anything? Last year's top three were Shinsuke Nakamura, Hiroshi Tanahashi and Conor McGregor. 11. BEST TECHNICAL WRESTLER - This is for having the ability to use high level technical wrestling moves within the context of building a great worked pro wrestling match. Last year's top three were Zack Sabre Jr., Kyle O’Reilly and A.J. Styles. 12. BRUISER BRODY MEMORIAL AWARD - This is for the wrestler who uses brawling tactics to put together the best matches during the previous year. It's not for a guy who does brawling matches that aren't any good. Last year's top three were Tomohiro Ishii, Katsuyori Shibata and Dean Ambrose. 13. BEST FLYING WRESTLER - This is for the wrestler who does the most innovative and solidly executed flying maneuvers within the context of putting together great wrestling matches. This is not for simply the hottest daredevil moves, which are sometimes hit and sometimes miss. Last year's top three were Ricochet, Kota Ibushi and Flamita. 14. MOST OVERRATED - The wrestler who gets the biggest push, despite lacking ring ability or charisma. Last year's top three were Kane, Roman Reigns and Randy Orton. 15. MOST UNDERRATED - The wrestler with the most ability, who, for whatever reason, doesn't get a push commensurate with their ability. This should be based on this past year, and not a business reputation earned in prior years. Last year's top three were Cesaro, Tomoaki Honma and Tyson Kidd. 16. PROMOTION OF THE YEAR - Should be based on which group put together the best live and television product on a consistent basis, and secondarily, the ability to sell that product at a high level. 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Gran Markus vs Johnny Rich 5/20/83 This was the opening match of a loaded card where the WWF and AWA world titles are defended. This was just a solid match. The job of the opening bout is a good back and forth that would be easy to outshine.Allows people to get a coke or beer. We see Rich do a lot of headlock take overs. Work the arm a bit. Gran Markus would use cheapshots to get heat. He was getting Tito next week. So the other purpose of this is for Markus to look good in winning. Markus wins with his finisher of the double elbow drop.

This was the opening match of a loaded card where the WWF and AWA world titles are defended. This was just a solid match. The job of the opening bout is a good back and forth that would be easy to outshine.Allows people to get a coke or beer. We see Rich do a lot of headlock take overs. Work the arm a bit. Gran Markus would use cheapshots to get heat. He was getting Tito next week. So the other purpose of this is for Markus to look good in winning. Markus wins with his finisher of the double elbow drop.

Thanks, I'll correct them tonight .

3/25/83 Kendo Nagasaki vs Art Crews 3/25/83 Butch Reed vs Marty Lunde 3/25/83 Ivan the Terrible/Little Tokyo vs Little Lone Eagle/Cowboy Lang 3/25/83

9/23/83 Kamala vs Johnny Rich 9/23/83 Magnum TA vs Missing Link 9/23/83 Hacksaw Duggan/Steve Williams vs One Man Gang/King Kong Bundy 9/23/83 Butch Reed vs Dusty Rhodes 9/23/83 Debbie Combs vs Donna Day 9/23/83

Kendo Nagasaki vs Art Crews 3/25/83 Art Crews is a really good journeyman wrestler who wrestled everyone. The reason for that is because he's a good hand. He really worked hard here. His offense was good enough to rally the crowd behind his shine , and attempted comebacks here and there.He sold well and took a couple of nice bumps. He put over Nagasaki's ninja based offense. Especially that nasty 2nd rope kick. Nagasaki played his gimmick well enough. To be candid I've never been a fan of his. I do realize he was a star in many territories. It is always fun to look at all these great gimmicks throughout the years. 2*

Art Crews is a really good journeyman wrestler who wrestled everyone. The reason for that is because he's a good hand. He really worked hard here. His offense was good enough to rally the crowd behind his shine , and attempted comebacks here and there.He sold well and took a couple of nice bumps. He put over Nagasaki's ninja based offense. Especially that nasty 2nd rope kick. Nagasaki played his gimmick well enough. To be candid I've never been a fan of his. I do realize he was a star in many territories. It is always fun to look at all these great gimmicks throughout the years. 2*

Kamala vs Johnny Rich 9/23/83 This is an awesome squash match .Kamala was savage and a total monster here. Rich was chosen for a reason. It seemed they were building to a Tommy Rich rematch that never happened. I miss these type of matches on the card.

This is an awesome squash match .Kamala was savage and a total monster here. Rich was chosen for a reason. It seemed they were building to a Tommy Rich rematch that never happened. I miss these type of matches on the card.