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Who are the pro wrestling equivalents of those two John? I can't think of any. I always thought Richmond was an overrated gunner. People fondly look back at the TMC teams and forget that they went 37-45 & 44-38 the two years they were together. They spiked up to 55-27 the season they dumped him on Sacto for Billy Owens. The Kings sucked while he was there, and rose in the West after he was gone and Weber came in. I'll give it to Richmond that his stats look good over at Basketball-Reference as an efficient player with that .388 3P% and .850 FT%. All-NBA's look kindly on him as well. It's just that he never really worried me at all: he could gun all he wanted, but his teams weren't going to win. Probably some spotty junior (since he's a Guard) who has sloppy, crappy matches. Sabu should be reserved for the worst example of these guys (Pistol Pete). But along the lines of RVD, though you'd want to save him for one of the cokehead gunners. You guys know those spot machines better than I do. Miller was a specialist who was very good at what he did, and had a role with a strong promotion. Clutch. But boy was it limited. Rebounding was crap. Assists were appalling. Defense was poor. Not really great at creating his own shot, and bad at creating it for others (Reggie ran through screens-o-plenty to get open... and it was some major league beef that set him from in Smits and the Davis Brothers among others). You really had to play to his strengths and put a lot of support in to cover his weakness. There's a streak of him that's overrated when people think he's Top 50. But... he was exceptional at his one specialty, and had the clutch element, and his teams were good. You want to pick a specialist for this, and given Reggie's specialty was something pretty (3 pointers) rather than brute (like blocking shots), you'd want a someone whose specialty was pretty nifty / nice. Perhaps Volk Han. I don't know if Volk is the best matworker of all-time, but people make the argument. Volk wasn't the key main eventer in his promotion: that was Maeda, then Tamura got the push. But he had a long run as the #1 gaijin in it. He was limited to his type of match, so it's not like you could throw him in there with Misawa or Hogan or Flair... but he was really good at what he was good at. Chandler is pretty good. Henry is a "specialist": a Power Wrestler, at least as he portrayed. Chandler turned into a defensive master. Both were "disappointments" early, and practically written off before hitting it big later. Buddy Landell? Not bad at all.

They were pushed up to the "title contender" level. Here are the World Tag Title matches while Doc was gone: 06/09/95 World Tag: Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue ∆ 07/20/95 World Tag: Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs Dan Kroffat & Doug Furnas 08/30/95 World Tag: Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs Johnny Ace & The Patriot 10/15/95 World Tag: Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi 01/24/96 World Tag: Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs Stan Hansen & Gary Albright ∆ 02/20/96 World Tag: Stan Hansen & Gary Albright vs Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue ∆ They vacated the All Asia Tag Title at the start of 1995 with the storyline that they were moving out of the division after being in it for 5+ years. No one really bought them challenging the bigger / better teams. They did have the good match with Misawa & Kobashi in the 1994 Tag League. They had a mediocre match with Kawada & Taue on 1/29/95. Doc & Ace got the title match at the 3/95 Budokan, Kawada & Taue got the one after that, and then the Can-Ams got the shot in Kawada & Taue's first defense. Sorta. All Japan also had a really structured ranking system. They are All Asian level guys, and moving up was tough. Ace never really was bought as a partner of Hansen's to the degree that Spivey was. It wasn't until he teamed with Doc (at Doc's peak in the company), and kind of improved in a "he can do some shit" level that he became an acceptable partner in top tags. Even then the company was kind of shitty in smartly building him up as more credible. They were kind of loathed to have Kobashi do a singles job for him, which really was needed at some point in 1995. For the Can-Ams, it would be even tougher. It's hard to see either of them being put over one of the Four Corners in a singles. You could get creative in putting over the team, and perhaps they could have / should have. The company was pretty over-the-top as the year went on in having someone knocked goofy for long stretches and the other team being able to win due to it. There wasn't a good payoff on that until 12/06/96. Instead, in 1995 the guy killed dead tended to comeback. Was annoying in the 1995 Tag League Final, especially coming after the 10/95 title match where all four took turns getting killed dead while their partner had to go-it-alone. You could work a storyline where the Can-Ams can't win "straight up", but if they happen to destroy Kobashi or Misawa outside the ring, they're such a good "team" with a fury of "stuff" that they could take the other guy out before the partner recovered. Timing is the problem. Kawada & Taue needed to win in June, and Kawada specifically needed to beat Misawa. Holding that off longer would have been insane. The Can-Ams are the first challenger. You can't really have Kawada & Taue drop it to them. Also, the concept works far better against Misawa & Kobashi with (i) Misawa getting knocked out, and (ii) Kobashi going long as the ultimate babyface before (iii) finally getting pinned by the duo. That doesn't work as well once Kawada & Taue to win the title as neither of them is Kobashi in that role opposite the Can-Ams.1 So... I don't know how / where one works in a chance for the Can-Ams to win the title in 1995. The time might have been 1994, but the promotion was trying to get Doc & Ace over as a new top gaijin team. 1 Of course Kawada can play one-on-two to an off the charts level as 12/03/93 reflected. But he wasn't the "face" in that, nor losing to a team at the Can-Ams' level. I don't think any of us really worried about the Jr weights in All Japan. Did Kroffat look fine matching up with Fuchi and other AJPW "juniors"? Sure, and that was all that matter.

Kobashi's first defense was the win over Hansen at the 9/96 Budokan. The the defense against Kawada at the 10/96, and then the unsuccessful defense against Misawa in 1/97. Agree that Kobashi worked is mostly the fault of Kobashi, but people in the promotion always tended to let him work however he wanted to work. He didn't seem to have restrictor plates on at any point. That he was still working as Crybashi even after he became the TC Champ was a real time running complaint by me by 1997. Kobashi Fans at the time didn't like the criticism. * * * * * Izumida pinned Akiyama and Patriot pinned Kawada on opening night. Those were bigger upsets than Kobashi jobbing to Albright. Kobashi already jobbed to Gary in the six-man on the 4/96 Budokan, and then Kawada did a (in the doghouse) singles job to Gary on the 7/96 Budokan. Add in Gary challenging Misawa for the TC on the 2/96 Budokan. He was higher on the pecking order than Patriot, Jun and Ace, none of whom had a TC challenge at the time nor singles wins over any of the Four Corners. So it wasn't a massive upset. I was fine with it at the time. Patriot over Kawada pissed me off at the time, though I had no problem with it come 12/6. * * * * * Gary was stuck with a crappy partner, and it was a two tiered (Top 4 Teams + 3 Bottom Feeders Teams) far more than prior years. In the past you tended to have the true contenders, be they just two teams (in 1995) or "four across" (1990-91). You then had teams that weren't really contenders, but got wins against everyone but the top teams and looked "competitive" against the top teams. The 1992 Baba & Kobashi teams was like that, and perhaps the Funks in 1990. On occasion you'd get a special team like Baba & Andre who would end up close to the top in points, but weren't going to really win it. Baba & Andre actually finished tied for 2nd in 1991, and probably had a few points on the table left in 1990 when Baba broke his leg. Baba tended to "protect" teams like that. Then below those groups you have the chum that got beat up in points, and tended finish with points that reflected where they ranked in the pecking order. In 1994, the Can-Ams were ahead of Akiyama & Omori, who in turn were ahead of Abby & Kimala II though Kimala would do all the jobs. 1996 was a mess. Contenders, then chum. They could have put Hansen & Gary together as they did in January when they were pushed to the title. But in a double round robin where they would have needed to work 8 matches against the other top teams, with most of those going 20+, and with the need for Hansen or Gary to do jobbing, I can get why they skipped it. So on some level this was the bone thrown to him, leading into teaming with Stan early the next year. He got to beat Kobashi. Since Carny was three series away, it gave a little story heading in there.

That sounds about right.

I recall someone on CM claiming to have the match, then going through all sorts of bullshit trying to rip people off to pay for the match, and then vanishing when people started calling him on bullshit. Seemed like he'd been a semi-major dealer for a while before flaming out on this.

Daniel: it was "no betting was allowed." And great reference by Webb to the Thin Man series.

Like everyone is correct (or at least what more people want). A woman is a slut, while a guy is a stud. It's always the same, and since guys are the ones tossing people in buckets, it will never change. Sad.

Coming in for the 1995 Carny, Doc got busted bring drugs into country at Narita Airport. You may recall what happened to Paul McCartney when he was caught bringing dope into the country in 1980: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/paul-mccartney-is-released-from-a-tokyo-jail-and-deported-from-japan In the case of Doc, he wasn't officially arrested or charged with anything. He was put on a plain back to the US, and indefinitely banned from the country. Always was pointed to as a sign of Baba's connections that not only was nothing official done, but that Doc could come back in after a year. Anyway... he was out from the 1995 Carny Series until returning for the 1996 Carny series. It thinned out the gaijin side at a time when Hansen was declining and Doc was pretty much at his peak. Doc wasn't quite the same when returning.

I'm not even sure it's one of the 10... or 20 best Messi performances that I've seen. *That* is how good Messi is. I'm not sure what the best I've seen Messi in. This is always high on the list: * his pass on the opening goal sublime - perfectly weighted to be instride with Iniesta but not reachable by Iker (the keeper) * the paintbrush deft touch on the second goal (his first) * sliding volley late to win the Cup and cause Madrid to completely lose their shit afterwards (fucking Ramos which isn't in this package) He had another of other terrific plays in the game that aren't on this. If anyone wants to see Barca at the height of their powers, the two legs of this Super Cup along with the league Classic before the winter break are the places to start. They're actually *better* than they were in May 2011 when they kicked the crap out of my team. Then there's this one: It's technically a "friendly", but when Brasil and Argentina get together, it's an Unfriendly as these two teams hate each other more than any US-based rivalries. A slew of goals by both teams, a slew of goals by Messi, with another "we're not settling for a tie... let's end this fucker!" late goal that just busts the balls of Brasil. One of his best "slalom run goals". Anyway, the best of Messi tends to be when you get both the sublime goals and also some of his perfect passes.

Josh Smith has to be some minor wrestler with some talent who pissed it was without ever reaching World Title or even Main Event status. His heyday was in Atlanta, which never has amounted to anything, and where Nique is still the best ever. Josh is like a local star, who flopped at the first "national" place he went to while his territory got better after he left, then showed flashes of looking good (but really also still floppy) with his second national promotion. You'd almost want to say he's Brusier Brody, but Brody was a bigger star.

Problem: Kurt Angle 2002 Wrestler of the Year 2001 Most Outstanding Wrestler 2002 Most Outstanding Wrestler 2003 Most Outstanding Wrestler Josh Smith [nothing] Both guys are stupid, but only one of them made Voters stupid. Hmmm.... "We're sitting here, and I'm supposed to be a franchise wrestler, and we're in here talking about house shows. I mean, listen, we're talking about house shows. Not a pay per view! Not the Royal Rumble! Not Summer Slam! We're talking about house shows. Not a Survivor Series; not Wrestlemania that I go out there and die for and work every pay per view like it's my last.... we're talking about house shows, man. I mean, how silly is that?" You know that would piss of Jag.

Perhaps Tiger Mask in the revolutionary high flyer comp. There's also an element of underrated / overrated. Also did his "best work" in a "country" that most people didn't see (Doc in the ABA and Mask in Japan). But... The "Doc overrated" is tough as we have no idea how he would have done if he played his peak in the NBA. Post-Peak Doc took his team to 3 NBA Finals, each time going through the Celtics in the East... twice they were the defending NBA champs and the third time was Bird's rookie year when they won an NBA high 61 games. It's not like Post-Peak Doc took an easy way to the Finals, with some odd collection of teammates. Sure, he did finally win a title when kinda past his prime (where 21-7-4 on 52% shooting is kinda-past your prime Small Forward work!) when Moses joined the team. But you kind of forgive Doc needing Moses to carry the 76ers to a title when Doc was 32 after eleven seasons of carry a misfit league on misfit courts, then a misfit team with misfit players in an NBA that was also pretty screwed up. Anyway... Doc has longevity on Tiger Mask. My guess is that most of us believe he was better than Tiger Mask. But it's hard to come up with someone else. Best in the game for a short period of time, then got hurt, with the injury changing history, noted for his love of a certain mind altering substance? I recall your argument. I would argue back that Hogan was every bit as effective of a worked as Flair was. We hardcores have been on the wrong side of history. I'd love it if Sidney had not gotten hurt. Also, Sidney at his peak is a quality that a lot of people forget: 1981-82 NBA All-NBA Guards 1st: George Gervin / Gus Williams 2nd: Magic Johnson / Sidney Moncrief 1982-83 NBA All-NBA Guards 1st: Magic Johnson / Sidney Moncrief 2nd: George Gervin / Isiah Thomas 1983-84 NBA All-NBA Guards 1st: Magic Johnson / Isiah Thomas 2nd: Sidney Moncrief / Jim Paxson 1984-85 NBA All-NBA Guards 1st: Magic Johnson / Isiah Thomas 2nd: Michael Jordan / Sidney Moncrief 1985-86 NBA All-NBA Guards 1st: Magic Johnson / Isiah Thomas 2nd: Sidney Moncrief / Alvin Robertson (Jordan was hurt in second year) Then Sidney suffered his career altering injury in the 1986/87 season and never was the same. Awfully good player, and seen as such at the time. Perhaps: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesbo01.html Probably too many All-Star games, but even in his prime of scoring was never seen as a real star-star. More a solid teammate, really excelled at one thing (defense vs matwork) but was good at other things (Bobby could score a bit, could run the break, was a super smart % shooter... while Fujiwara does all those things other than matwork that Fujiwara Fans flip over). Would be happy to work in the background, but could shift into being a main even "opponent" (or in this case "support" to a main eventer like Doc). Not a short career, and still considered one of the best at his things even late in his career.

By 7/95, Doc had the Narita Nightmare and was on the sidelines for a year: out arriving for Carny 1995 and then allowed back into the country come Carny 1996. So they couldn't run Misawa-Doc in 1995. There's zero doubt that they would have run Doc-Misawa in 1995 at one of the Budokan's and Misawa would have gotten his win back. They just couldn't. Could they have run it in 1996? Sure. Not entirely sure why they didn't, other than Kawada going in the doghouse, Taue getting a push to the title, Kawada being put in his place jobbing to Taue, and the Baba accidentally kneecapping Taue's by having him job the title to Kobashi. To get to Misawa-Doc in 1996 in a TC match, they would have had to skip Taue winning the title. When Taue went over Doc in the Carny Final, one kind of thought the next day that they would go: 6/96 Misawa vs Taue yet again 7/96 Misawa vs Doc Which left 9/96 for Misawa-Kawada / Misawa-Kobashi, 10/96 for Misawa-Kawada if you go Misawa-Kobashi first or as Kawada vs Challenger is Misawa-Kawada happened in 9/96 and Kawada won. That's why I tend to go looking for something earlier than 1996 to see if the elements were in place already. What the Babas' plans were at the start of the year... who knows. Perhaps they planned on Kawada winning Carny again and then winning the title from Misawa at the 6/96 Budokan. And perhaps those plans went out the window when he went in the doghouse, and Taue+Kobashi got "his spot". * * * * * On when the promotion went over the edge, I think it was easily there by 1996. Even something as great as 12/06/96 had them dropping each other on their heads quite a bit.

The problem is that (i) Misawa just won the TC back in May, (ii) Misawa was the Ace starting his 2nd reign, (iii) this was his first defense, and (iv) Kawada just beat him in the tag title match. The timing sucked. Ace's in Baba's mind don't instantly drop the title in the first defense of their second reigns after getting their belts back. They re-establish themselves as the Ace. Baba lost the Int'l Title to Bobo Brazil in June 1968, insantly won it back, and then ran off 18 straight successful defenses before dropping it two and a half years later. Jumbo dropped the Int'l Title to Hansen in July 1986, won it back in October of the same year, then ran off five defenses before dropping it to Brody in March 1988. You could mix in when Baba got the PWF Title back after it bounced from Baba to Kamata to Billy to Abby before landing back with him: he ran off another 15 straight defenses from 1979-82 before dropping it to Harley. They just didn't treat the title(s) like late 90s / early 00s style WCW & WWF world titles bouncing around. So... Anyone paying attention pretty much knew Misawa was retaining his title, and would go on a run with the belt. He wasn't "ripe" to drop the title again until mid-96 when he'd effectively run the table again. Taue was a surprise because (i) people expected it to finally be Kawada's turn, and (ii) Doc had just returned and in theory they would want Misawa to avenge his TC loss to Doc from 1994. That got butchered too... In 1994, the right person won. In 1995, one would need to book backwards from whenever Kawada was suppose to win and do things quite differently. It wasn't really that horrid at the time, especially since El Super Clasico was so satisfying of a win. 1996... the TC booking was butchered... time and again.

On Hogan, yep:

Duncan is a first ballot Hall of Famer who every insider and non-insider has in their Top 10 of greatest players of all time. Five titles, two MVP's, 15 All-NBA teams. Fujiwara has exactly zero of those things. Some fans think he's the best, or one of the best, workers of all-time. I don't know... it would be a bit like if some hardcore NBA fans championed Robert Parrish as the best basketball player of all-time. I'm sure we could come up with a logical explanation for it, build a really good argument for it, and what not. Then the overwhelming majority of people, be they players or folks inside the game, or reporters or other harcore fans, or experts in analytics... would laugh their asses off at us. Fujiwara is like that. The people who champion Fujiwara's work might just be right. They can make a logical argument for it, and back it up with a whole lot of stuff. Some folks might find it compelling, especially if the sunk their teeth into his work. But the overwhelming majority of folks would laugh their asses off. Or go, "Who in the fuck are you talking about?" I don't know who Fujiwara is, but he's not Duncan. He's probably closer to some underrated player like Sam Jones or Walt Fraizer. Clyde was probably too big of a star for Fujiwara to be, though New York has a lot to do with that.

Not fully comfortable with Bobby, given his recklessness / stupidity in the incident: http://a.espncdn.com/nba/news/2000/0112/285010.html Head on with a minivan as well, with it being a miracle that he didn't kill other people. * * * * * Hank Gathers was player beloved by his teammates. Tragic death. Still remembered today. Exciting "high flying" type of a team. That would be a more fitting Owen, despite the lack of NBA time.

Barry was too good to be Owen. Barry was also the most hated guy "inside" the game, while Owen was just about the most beloved guy by everyone in the business. Barry almost is Shawn Michaels. Shawn didn't jump promotions like Barry did several times. But he was a dick, walked out on his team, sat out to get his way, badmouthed everyone, feuded with teammates... was incredibly talented, worked his ass off when he wanted to, and while "great" wasn't as great as he thought of himself.

Kawada as West is pretty damn good. On the other hand, Jabbar worked for the #1 promotion.

No. It's a descriptor. Heel goes to the top rope. He gets knocked off so that he straddles the ropes, and gives a facial that his balls hurt. Face jiggles the ropes up and down to cause the heel's balls to really hurt. Heel gives and over the top facial to get the pain across. Fans laugh their asses off. It's a stooging spot. Flair's spot getting shoved by the ref is a stooging spot. He's not "selling" for the ref, but stooging for the ref. It's not always comedy, though usually is. Selling too much isn't a problem. You've watched the Misawa-Kawada match that I linked to the other day. Kawada and Misawa sell their asses off, and are selling their asses off inside of ten minutes. But there's not much stooging in it. Perhaps Kawada's "collapsing legs" come close, but it's something he looked at the time to be trying to replicate from boxing where people's legs just go out. The other selling, of which there is a metric ton of it, isn't stooging. I just think that some fans have issue with the term being applied to their favorites. I love Arn and Tully and Terry, and they're all great at stooging when they work stooging spots. People don't like "chicken shit" and "bitching" either. I love Savage, and when he put Liz between himself and the face, it's a great half bitching / half chicken shit spot... flat out one of my favorites. Jim Cornette and Jimmy Hart and Bobby Heenan... all great at stooging, bitching and chicken shitting it up.

Or MJ's... Or Zeke's... Or Pete's... And I'm being kind there by not posting a Pete-Vomits.Gif. There are countless others.

Yep... I never see an athlete selling an injury for long periods of time. My guess is that Will, much like me, will be seeing that selling for the rest of his sporting life and view it as one of the more amazing things he's ever seen... even while rooting for the other team.

The current geographic works in terms of travel. I don't think people have issues with the Conferences/Divisions. There's always a cyclical nature of come being stronger than others, so very few talk about strength of schedule. The issue is: 67-15 Golden State Warriors (.817) 60-22 Atlanta Hawks (.732) 56-26 Houston Rockets (.683) 56-26 Los Angeles Clippers (.683) 55-27 Memphis Grizzlies (.671) 55-27 San Antonio Spurs (.671) 53-29 Cleveland Cavaliers (.646) 51-31 Portland Trail Blazers (.622) 50-32 Dallas Mavericks (.610) 50-32 Chicago Bulls (.610) 49-33 Toronto Raptors (.598) 46-36 Washington Wizards (.561) 45-37 New Orleans Pelicans (.549) 45-37 Oklahoma City Thunder (.549) 41-41 Milwaukee Bucks (.500) 40-42 Boston Celtics (.488) 39-43 Phoenix Suns (.476) 38-44 Utah Jazz (.463) 38-44 Brooklyn Nets (.463) 38-44 Indiana Pacers (.463) 37-45 Miami Heat (.451) 33-49 Charlotte Hornets (.402) 32-50 Detroit Pistons (.390) 30-52 Denver Nuggets (.366) 29-53 Sacramento Kings (.354) 25-57 Orlando Magic (.305) 21-61 Los Angeles Lakers (.256) 18-64 Philadelphia 76ers (.220) 17-65 New York Knicks (.207) 16-66 Minnesota Timberwolves (.195) It's the the Thunder out and the Nets in with 7 less wins. Last year was worse. The Suns at 48-34 would have tied for the 3rd best record in the East. The Hawks had 10 less wins and got the 8th spot. The Warriors in 2009 had 11 more wins than the 8th place Eastern team (and more than the 4th through 7th seeds as well). It's not hard to fix: best 16 make the post season, then "seed" them in a straight 1-16 fashion. That will make for some horrid first round match ups, but those are the breaks. There's talk that the NBA is headed in that direction. The tough part is getting enough buy-in from owners. It likely will come with the Anti-Tanking measures.

Horry's big moments were bigger moments than Arn or Fuchi's. Fuchi is far from Horry. He's the same solid member of a team, doing the dirty work to help make things click while bigger stars get the glory. Until Misawa & Co. left, Fuchi was never pushed up to Conference Final / NBA Final level as a lesser teammate (i.e. main event / semifinal at Budokan or other big show of a series). In contrast, Horry's big moments almost all come in WCF or NBA Finals. Perhaps Fuchi is closer to Andre Miller. Andre has never been in a Conference Final, let alone a Final. But those who "know" hoops know that Professor Andre Miller, PhD (TM Zach Lowe) has been a unsung player for ages (no All Star games), that he's a tricky/sneak master of certain things on the court, that he's a bit physically limited and unique in his style relative to the "modern game", and that he has a way of make folks look good. A pro's pro. Arn would be a similar type of guy who doesn't main event much in the Big Cards, but is a respected day to day grinder on some really excellent teams, including some great ones. He's close to Robert Parrish, where Bird was the Flair, and perhaps McHale was the Tully (who could main event against strong faces like Dusty and Maggie). Parrish & Arn could work in main event "teams", and could look really great. But the glory went to others. Parrish perhaps got more attention: nine all star games, a 2nd Team All-NBA and a 3rd Team All-NBA. But they're both the same "go about your business" guys. Khan is not a bad comp at all. Enough main / semi-main event stuff to work, and in varied promotions.

It's hard to say who Patient Zero is without going back and watching everything, but 01/20/97 isn't the start. The 07/24/95 Misawa vs Kawada has a lot of the elements. Misawa uses three Released German Suplexes and a pair of Released Tiger Suplexes. Kawada brings three Dangerous Suplexes and a Released German Suplex. They're all thrown like the heavy drop stuff that was there in the later part of the decade. You also get the big bomb of the standard finishers: three powerbombs (one to the floor early) and a Tiger Suplex held for a pin attempt. There are strikes-o-plenty. At 24:16, they chopped 11+ minutes off their prior TC match, making it feel like a "sprint" in contrast. The match probably is probably more in line with the later Kings Road matches than 01/20/97 does because it doesn't have that double body part section (elbow arm & lariat arm) that the 1997 match has. It's more than a hint of things to come. It's an interesting match to rewatch. The selling tends to stand out, as well as the "runs" of spots / moves / strikes / offense rather than My Turn, Your Turn sequences. The other thing that always sticks with me is that this was the day after the Shawn Michaels vs Jeff Jarrett match at IYH-2 that got a lot of praise. Anyway... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amVcUiWEoXA