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  1. flyonthewall2983
    Royal Rumble 92 is a great match but the Hogan-Sid stuff took away a bit from Flair's moment.
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    Goldberg
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    How were the Von Erich sons as heels? I know David did some heel work outside of Texas and later Kerry did too, just curious how they came off? I haven't seen much of David's work outside of World Class, but from his promos I can imagine he'd work as like a younger version of Stan Hansen and Brody (or in a more contemporary sense, JBL).
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    I think there could be a case to be made to say that he changed wrestling as much as McMahon did, but history is written by the victors and all of that. The best things about WCW were things clearly gleaned from what his company started.
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    Someone compared Shawn and HHH acting out their drama to an old couple arguing over whether or not to put down their dog
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    Just in terms of big guys instead of just guys who were tall, Earthquake and Yokozuna were booked pretty well, at first anyway. Where they really went wrong and this has been well-covered enough, is Vader. But how much of that was Leon White's fault and how much the company's is hard to say. He just turned 40 and lost his sizzle from WCW. And yet despite that he had a good run in Japan after, which maybe speaks to how better they took care of him compared to Vince, Jr. (and Leon said aside from how he was used on-screen, McMahon treated him pretty great).
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    It's remarkable that at this stage in his life, Taker was having his best matches. The slow, plodding style he had in the 90's meant for the most part, mixed results. Even the matches with Mankind were more dependent on what amazing and dangerous things Foley did with his body, then the kind of ring chemistry we see here. Both this and the rematch bookend what is an incredible end-run for Shawn Michaels, who one would have thought and accepted that he was probably done in 1998. It's arguable that his 2nd run in the 2000's was as impactful as it was before that time. His abilities never seemed to have gone, even to that last match, you would have thought he could have gone another 5 years or so. After WCW was sold the entertainment value of pro wrestling for me as a whole brought diminishing returns, but it was matches like this that reeled me back in. The moments like that since have been few and far between, but to the real fans like most of us it is important to savor them to realize it was never a waste of time.
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    CWF @ Miami Beach December 21, 1977 @ Convention Hall in Miami Beach , Florida ( United States of America ) Rocky Johnson defeated Ric Flair
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    Jesse was good in WCW for me because more often than not he'd just call the action and not defend the heel's motives. He'd put over the excitement of the match than the heel/babyface dynamics, which could only help the product as a whole. Heenan could be like that too, especially in WCW. To me, those two are closer in styles than someone like Jerry Lawler when he first started announcing. All he did was cheer the heels and dismiss the babyfaces, until they put him with Jim Ross and more of the things that got him over on the mic in Memphis started showing up in his commentary finally, instead of the goofy "burger king" bad guy he was in the mid-90's. Didn't Jesse come up with the idea of an Iraqi sympathizer?
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    I think it's as simple as the two of them not having to work together anymore being enough of a reason that they aren't so tight nowadays. Spend enough time with a person, and it can go either way, but I think given the intensity of the workload they took on in the 80's, and all the problems they each dealt with in the 90's, would take a toll on any two friends even if they have each other's backs 100% of the time. The scissor fight came about because Sid was squawking about Flair being too old, and it just became another way in which Arn suffered for that friendship. But when the nature of the business changed, and they were getting too old to keep that up, they suddenly had new priorities and something like a divorce could unravel that bond you held for so many years.
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    It's maybe besides the point but I like that he said that the other Horsemen should be in the HOF individually. As long as Arn and Tully are in AEW I don't see that happening unfortunately.
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    Is this show produced by WWE, or is it just Johnson's own company?
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    That messed with my head quite a bit
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    Interesting that they are going this multi-timeline route. I wonder how they see stretching it out over multiple seasons. It'd be really something if they built up the whole show around the POTUS question for him to tell us all "sike!" at the end of the last episode. If he is really planning on running, I'm glad the talk is that it may be for a 2032 run. I wonder if in between that time he tries his hand at state politics, mayor of Miami then governor. To the subject of wrestlers on sitcoms, I heard Meltzer say that networks (probably NBC specifically) considered Bobby Heenan for one. A show about his life would have been perfect material for it.
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    For what it is, it's actually a good match and maybe better than the one at 14 (I haven't seen it in a long time).
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    No moral defense, but it was a clever gag in an otherwise abysmal segment.
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    I found out awhile ago that Dusty Rhodes did some MSG shows in 83, quite some time after that 77-78 run he had with Billy Graham. Was there ever a longer run in the books for him in the WWF around this time or was it just him doing a favor for Vince, Sr.?
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    And I didn't realize this until I saw the Last Ride doc, but it was as hard to train for those matches because he didn't work as regularly as he used to anymore. He didn't have that routine leading up to those big matches he did 20 years before, especially when you worked with a guy so many times on house shows before it's finally on television. I saw him work Yoko in a house show almost a year before their Royal Rumble match, for example.
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    It's actually kind of remarkable how a guy with the baggage of injuries he had by the late 2000's was able to have these great matches we'll get to later. It speaks as much to the talent he was paired against but in any match it always takes two to tango. I would argue that the build-up to the match at WM 8 is just as good, if you consider that it really started with the Warrior angle from the year before, when Jake turned heel and aligned with Taker, then him being a supporting role in the Savage feud, leading up to the moment on SNME where he stopped Elizabeth from taking a chairshot. Not saying it's better or worse than the Kane angle, which had as much time to build up to, but it was a good way to turn him face, by making his character the wingman to the most evil heel in the company until he had enough of it.
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    It was the coming-out party of the Attitude Era. Things went into motion awhile before, but this is where it was cemented. Austin didn't just win the belt, but was finally coronated as top guy. I wonder if El-P is going to have a change of heart for Taker's next WM outing lol
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    This faux pas illustrates an interesting point, of how different the company was in those 5 years, and how different Taker and JR were presented. By 98 Taker is a more realized character, now with an exposed backstory. And JR went from being the b-show guy to now the voice of the company, as well as having an elevated role behind the scenes. Guess the only thing that hasn't changed is the WM workrate.
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    3 years before, and JR wasn't at 12 but I get what you mean. It's Vince all the same.
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    I thought Bret coming out felt a little pointless, other than to keep him in the world title picture (which wouldn't happen until months after anyway). Especially after the submission match, one of his greatest matches ever. It felt like it over-emphasized him being a heel now.
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    Then following it up with that great match with Shawn a month later. I'm sure there are equal examples to him in terms of guys going out strong, but I can't think of any offhand. 96 was definitely a solid year for Taker, overall. The next night on Raw they started the feud with Mankind, which helped the company out of those dreadful mid-90's doldrums, and really revitalized the character.
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