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From what I gathered reading thehistoryofwwe.com is that Ron Garvin was in the WWF until about November of 1990, and by the end was doing job matches like this

"urban narrative". Maybe I'm showing a bit too much sensitivity or white liberal guilt but that was my first instinct.

I'm just a few minutes into the Sable episode, but I find it funny that this could possibly be the de facto Marc Mero episode, since he wound up becoming the footnote in her career that nobody else saw coming.

That sounds a teensy bit racist if just considering the phrase on it's own

http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/24/vader-sting-jesse-white-comfort-final-days/ That's genuinely touching. I'm not Christian but I'm not made of stone either, I'm glad that someone who he shared so many professional highs with had that deep a personal connection with just before the light dimmed out.

Though Jesse and Tony were never as combative as a lot of teams were during this time, you can feel Jesse rolling his eyes a little as Tony's going through that history. What I liked about the WCW approach to commentary is that it wasn't as combative and head-biting-off you'd feel sometimes from Gorilla and Bobby or Vince and Jesse. Even when they had more pronounced heel color guys like Jim Cornette or Heyman, they didn't get as colorful as they would be if they were doing promos. I liked the little moment of Jesse letting Flair get his chair to bash Vader and just letting it happen. It's an understated tweener moment, because he's letting the babyface get the upper hand...but also letting him be the dirtiest player in the game too. I watched this match again today, and as I said before you can really see in those opening moments the emotional rush Ric is getting from that crowd. Before watching it I watched a clip of Vader talking about it, and it's a great performance by him too. Whether you rate the match high or not, it's clear to me at least that they gave their all that night.

To me the real draw of All In is that it's in Chicago, and that the midwest has been due a big wrestling show, be it WWE or independent, for a long time. I feel like ROH could benefit a little from doing huge shows where WWE has been maybe neglectful of doing some of their bigger events.

I wonder if McMahon had a better relationship with Inoki, if he could have been used more during the late 80's/early 90's, when they really knew how to use big guys. Put him in the Earthquake spot, and he could have fared well I imagine. The two best announcers who put over his awesomeness I think were Jim Ross and Bobby Heenan. Ross could put over a glorified ring boy and make it sound believable, so putting across how dangerous this guy was was easy I'm sure. And though Heenan was hit-or-miss in WCW, without saying it he gave you the impression that if he were still a manager he'd give up everything short of the clothes on his back to manage him.

It was cool, in as far that Gorilla in his heyday in the ring could be seen as a 60's-70's version of Vader. A big guy but technically sound. This may not be a popular opinion, especially now, but I think what happened to him in the WWF was as much his own doing as it was theirs. He was getting older, and their repeated requests to him to lose weight weren't without merit. That said, they could have done a better job of protecting him and using him better in some instances. Overall, it's just really weird that he was there in the first place. He couldn't have lost as much face in Japan for doing jobs to Hogan and the Orndorff incident, then he might have when he signed with WCW's competition.

Him and John Tenta don't get enough credit for being good promos. They weren't erudite by any means, but could put over who they were and what their agenda straight enough and still come across as intimidating.

His run as WCW champion might be the most impressive heel champ run of the 90's. He had some good moments in his WWF run, most notably the 4-way with Austin, Bret and Undertaker. Very sad news, as it looked like he was recovering well from his surgeries. Rest In Power.

I remember watching the Koko/Owen match, can't remember him in anything else around that time though. Fred Ottman came back as Typhoon that year very briefly too, I think filling in for Earthquake once he quit. One I didn't realize until later was Ron Simmons' last match for WCW was in September of '94. The last thing I remembered him clearly from during that run was his match with Ice Train in that January's Clash. And I had no clue Ice Train himself was repackaged in 1999. One of those "only in WCW" things that they can give the same guy three shots like that.

Lots of radio guys seemed to have been fans at one point or another. I know Stern has had guys on his show since the Attitude Era. Mancow reported on Montreal like it was top news, which looking back showed you his sense of priority.

Yeah, he was working with Beefcake against Money Inc. in the states just before that tour. The month after KOTR the PWI came out with Hogan and Sting on the cover, and it was the first inkling I had (even at the tender age of 9) he might be going to WCW. Little did I know he was still working shots for Vince.

I actually didn't realize until just a few years ago that Hogan worked dates beyond KOTR '93, where he mostly worked Yoko in a bunch of DQ-finish/"Hogan Must Pose"-type matches.

Albano would have been a good fit for the Nasty Boys. I believe Muraco and JYD were fired for some backstage shenanigans during a European tour just before Survivor Series '88. Also might have been why the Bulldogs left too, but not before doing a big show like that. Last thing I remember the Bushwhackers doing was some segment with Brian Pillman, then they were gone. I think in an alternate WCW where the NWO didn't rule everything, the Sheepherders could have made an interesting comeback.

Work-rate wise, would the Brainbusters/Rockers matches be the very best?

I was about to mention Bravo. Wikipedia says that was his last match, and that he quit afterwards to focus on training young guys. He had the dark hair again a year prior in a match with Shane Douglas on the MSG Network. They actually tried repackaging him as a face very briefly sometime in the fall of that year too.

They had (still do for all I know) Saturday morning programming, and a few sitcoms that would have otherwise fit on ABC in the 90's (Sinbad's comes to mind). They also had Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers in either the mornings or afternoon from what I remember. In my house The Simpsons was easily accepted although I've heard stories where that was not the case.

The spit spot Hall does and Stevie Ray reciprocates is pretty good.

I saw a WWF match from May of '93 pop up on YouTube with The Nasty Boys. I always seem to remember that they were at least off television by February.

I said in another thread that the guy who played James looks like the forgotten Steiner brother. I stand by that.

Then they'll be dangerously close to flooding the market, and interest in anything else will dwindle.

Kevin Smith had Mick Foley on one of his podcasts and at one point talked about going to Garden shows in the early 80's, and TP'ing Sgt. Slaughter's house leaving trash on Sgt. Slaughter's front lawn, spelled out "Gomer".