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Did you go to the event?

ROH has hyped something larger than that before and never went to excess with it - Joe vs. Punk III was held under a no time limit. But I think the match will go at least an hour, if not close to it.

From the Torch:

Thanks for the list, Trav. A few of them I want to see now, but they're probably the ones that aren't taped.

http://wfigs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board...p;thread=202621 There are some good back and forths. They wrestled it to break a world record for 'longest wrestling match'.

Dunno about that, seems more realistic to me. I guess if the review for a seven hour match read like something I'd like to see, I'd give it a try. I'm just trying to imagine what they could possibly fit into seven hours that would be anything worth while after the first hour or so. The hard part is that I can't envision any worker I'm familiar with being able to have an entertaining wrestling match for seven hours. Let alone, physical conditioning. I understand the notion that certain athletes are capable of working at an apex level, but I have a hard time believing that a sizable percentage of pro wrestlers could manage that type of exertion for seven hours. I think if they did they would have gone the spectrum of wrestling. It'd be a MOVES~ match. It'd have epic Indy selling. Imagine what a submission hold would look like three or four hours into a match. They'd sit in 'em for like twenty minutes a piece. But I digress, if someone (I vote for SLL too) wants to watch something like that, review it, and then do up a fantastic write job for me to read, I'll watch it too. (I wonder if the workers got paid extra that night?)

I can't imagine watching something like that.

I don't watch all that much wrestling anymore. I have stockpiled DVDs for the last few years and have hardly watched a 1/4 of them. When I watch wrestling, I stick to matches, never entire shows.

Yeah, Shockmaster is up there.

Has anyone ever shot on Hogan for some of the crap he pulled on his co-workers and "friends"?

JDW fell under that criteria - '12/6, 6/3, 6/9'. There isn't a lot to say about this match that hasn't been highlighted or analyzed by someone with a better vocabulary or knowledge of pro wres. But this is the kind of match that catches someone's attention when they watch it for the first time. The work is flawless. It's heated, well-paced, dramatic, and Kobashi martyring himself is note worthy.

I think the number being 'low' at 6% suggests several things. First, it more than suggests that the 'effected' former-employees enjoy what they do. If they're an addict, they like what they're doing. And with any other person, they continue doing what pleases them. It just so happens to be things that aren't good for them. And not just in the sense of the body, but on the legal side as well. We can see the actual amount of current workers that have been 'effected' by the business in unfavorable lights. (Examples Being:) Flair, Angle, both Hardys. Add in the old guys that are outside the limelight, like Scott Hall and Jake Roberts. The actual number of 'effected' employees to those degrees today are low by 1980s' standards. The guys in the 80s literally went nuts by comparison. They bred a culture to go until they died. Add in the natural personalities of the men, ('wanting to be pro wrestlers'), and it is a dangerous game of time. Second, what kind of percentage of workers is being used. * Are current TNA wrestlers included? * Are current elsewhere workers included? * Are there 'old stars' in the program? * How many former employees are dead? * Conscientious objectors (of Vince). * Is any of the family on the list? Knowing the WWE though, instead of 6% being a good number, it is actually bad. All we got to know is numbers, really.

Misawa vs. Kobashi Hart vs. Davey

I must have missed it when Hogan and Bischoff literally took over TNA. When in the hell did that really happen?

If they're part of an angle, then it's okay for them to be seen. Otherwise, their only job is to initiate counts, raise hands, hand over belts, tell people to ring the bell, make 'X' signs to signal injury, be consistent and do pre-match weapon pat-downs. If they possess intelligence, they should be a good ref. Age and mobility has a lot to do with a good ref as well. Examples of Bad Refs: * The old guy in Memphis is an example of that. His two-counts were really like an Earl Hebner eight-count. He was like the Rik Smits of referring. Some of the lucha refs are incredibly slow too. * The ref Jericho talks about in his book made me shudder. A ref doing a drop-down spot? Oh, he had his own entrance music too. * There are some examples where All Japan refs have taken their jobs too seriously. I remember one ref dragging an 'unconscious' Steve Williams on top of his opponent, and then making the pinfall count. I don't like that crap in All Japan. * Some of the WWE refs have been caught 'witnessing' things that would constitute a disqualification. Making bad pinfalls is also a curse. Being out of position is also a problem. * NWA/WCW/TNA have some of the most clumsy, weak-kneed, moronic referees to ever foul up a wrestling match. * Ring of Honor refs that oversell Big Indy Moves.

Good question.

Nope. It's 100% correct. Yeah, El-P, I don't see where the problem is with Dylan's analogy. It is spot on. And I thought Bret's 'creative control' was a less-autonomous version of the Hogan bearer. I recall clear terminology - 'unreasonable demands' being one of them. Losing to Shawn in Canada wouldn't have ruined Bret's legacy in Canada, irregardless of it being his quote-unquote "last WWF match ever". I think Bret's hatred for Shawn Michaels blurred the lines of 'reasonable conduct' and 'unreasonable demands'. But, nevertheless, the way Vince and Co. covered their asses was very typical of an egotistical giant. The meme of, "Bret would have taken the WWF title to WCW" is ridiculous. Bret didn't want to leave the WWF. I often question the authenticity of Bret's bio, but he explained that he was willing to turn down a multi-million dollar contract to stay with the WWF. That's loyalty. But things of 'moral standards' means little to a man like Vince McMahon. But after fourteen years, I see fault in both men, and at varying degrees.

It got real bad with Austin. In '03, it's been said that it got to the point that any bump of any kind would damage his neck beyond fixing - or something to that extent. He was definitely on the Razor's edge.

They let Kurt wrestle at WM19.

The road runner one was awesome too.

Bugs got squashed pretty hard in Family Guy because Elmer showed up like Brock Lesnar.

I can only imagine Naylor's reaction. But, Triple H is so pulling a Hulk Hogan.

Sure that made Flair smile.