WingedEagle

I wouldn't say its bad faith but won't challenge you if you believe it to be the case. I wouldn't be at all surprised - or blame anyone - if people in these circles have some Flair fatigue. They may have been watching his greatest hits and b-sides for years, some many times over, which may make it harder to appreciate him in the context of fresher work.

Thanks, appreciate the walkthrough of how you approach it. Do you generally find you can get more excited about a match with that kind of narrative or are game to appreciate either style if done well?

I had high hopes for Reigns-Sheamus but was pretty disappointed. Felt flat the whole way without ever really kicking into another gear, almost as though they were never on the same page.

I can only imagine it was based on seeing the Steiners matches and their other work in WCW (if I recall they had a GREAT match with Rhodes & Windham) and extrapolating from there based on praise for their AJPW work. But that's pure speculation.

I'm not sure its gospel they sucked, but how many good matches did they have as a team unless it was against the the top AJ tags? Other than the Steiner affair. And their matches vs. the AJ crew were at least to me clearly inferior than any other tags the big guns were throwing out at the time. Not horrible, but nothing that matched their singles work or Gordy/Hansen Gordy/Freebirds.

Could we name 250 better wrestlers from the last 18 months? How many this year alone? The insanity!

What wrestler hasn't deviated from a single-minded purpose like seems to be the case against Flair here? Surely everyone you list above have plenty of matches where their offense i more than keyed in to a single body part. If Flair just doesn't click with you for some reason that's one thing, but that criticism seems to hold him to an unfair standard that should apply across the board. Never mind the fact that it would likely lead to a lot more boring, less interesting matches if each one had to follow such a strict path.

"Jelly legs" was used there as representative of his silliness / selling / routine. Not suggesting any one facet of his game would dramatically impact where he stands.

Apparently Rowan is on the DL.

A match where the work they do is more important than the narrative presented. Or, in some cases, where there is no narrative present. Not trolling here. At all. But I'm not sure I follow. Are we talking about a narrative as presented in commentary? Where they hit you over the head working a body part? Where there's a clearly identified storyline heading into the match which is played out? Is this generally as a much a subjective determination as whether you dug Cena/Owens, for example?

I prefer the Psicosis matches in ECW and BATB to Eddy at Havoc. The Eddy Smackdown match also wouldn't rank as my WWE MOTY let alone all time which may explain why my boat here is a lonely one. Bottom line nothing he's done is making my desert island boxed set, much less single disc comp.

I agree with both of these points. Sometimes you'll watch Funk and the jelly legs are fantastic. Other times I'll watch him and wish he'd find something, anything else to do. Guys like that have a definite floor and ceiling on my ballot. But I absolutely get why mileage may vary on him depending on your preferences / mood / what kind of day you had.

This is why it will be hard for me to rank him too highly. I want to be able to say that the guys at the top of my list had some absolute classics.

Not sure. Will need to go back and see just how highly I rate their stuff. My gut is that they miss it -- run of great matches in WWE feels short in hindsight but I can't say with any certainty.

Maybe, maybe Jeff Hardy? But without the ability to play a heel? Doesn't quite feel right but I'm grasping here.

Duncan couldn't dominate a game offensively like Shaq or Bird. Throw in defense and his ability to dominate a game is arguably on par with them. What super teams was Duncan on? The '03 Nets team was no all timer and certainly no match for the Spurs, but he went through the West -- including the Shaq/Kobe/Phil Lakers and the final Dirk/Nash Mavs without another all star on the roster. '99 was also post-prime Robinson. Bird's teams were a hell of a lot more loaded than any Duncan title team. I know Bird and Jordan get a lot of love for their competitiveness. I'd argue Duncan holds up fairly well there given the 2 biggest losses of his career ('06 vs. Mavs, '13 vs. Heat) were both followed by title seasons.

What's a workrate match?

Its not hard to believe, its just that batshit is given a much larger forum to make noise in 2015 -- and that goes for conservatives and liberals. Unfortunately nobody seems very interested in anything that's not on the margins when it comes to political discourse.

Does PWG release their shows on VOD after the fact or only DVD?

I still don't understand how he can be a judge. The fact he's a genius doesn't hurt, even if its more insanity than A Beautiful Mind. But its called the other side of the coin. From time to time everybody gets to flip it even if we disagree with it. And that's coming from somebody who finds Fox News & its ilk much more revolting than anything on the liberal side. Unfortunately its that kind of close-minded attitude about the other side that makes all of these discussions so pointless and force anyone who's not extreme conservative or liberal to head for the hills. When people paint Scalia and Elizabeth Warren as standard bears is when you know the bizness is in trouble.

I would never vote for Scalia for elected office, nominate him to the bench or leave him responsible for making important decisions about a loved one. But I would gladly have a beer with him or pay top dollar to see him speak. Highly entertaining.

Want to throw up 3/5/10 matches to watch?

Arguably more fun than any tag team I've seen in years. if I do a tag team ballot they'll probably find a way on.

Anything worth watching on the show last night? I DVR'd it due to the hype and was curious if any parts are worth going back for.