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Here's a sort of sideways way of looking at it Low Blow. New York has a roster of guys that would work pretty great in a lot of places. HUGE names for 1983. It's also always been "the big leagues" of American pro wrestling. They also have Andre the Giant who they can send out to various promotions in exchange for major stars coming in. So yes, maybe moving to the WWWF seems like a lateral move on the surface. But in reality you can shape the roster through trades and Andre loan-outs to the point where it has the feel of a big promotion. Just look at how Parv built it up doing that. I also have no problem with the free agency idea. What you're asking beyond that seems outside the way the game was set up though.

New Orleans is upon us! Really looking forward to it!

Ventura applying oil to the Evil Machine had me chuckling. After the day I had at work that's an accomplishment.

Liking the strong booking of Martel. Valentine looks like he's going to be a strong contender down the road.

I was just going off the top of my head as for guys who I would love to get into Montreal for runs. I am not of the opinion that WWF should be dissolved. I just wanted to point out the error of seeing it as me or anyone else absorbing a ton of guys with nobody else getting anything worthwhile. I suggested that perhaps you moving over to WWF full time if Parv leaves so New York stays alive may be a good solution to the problem in the other thread.

I agree with that. It may be best to have somebody move over to New York. Perhaps a logical solution to the issue would be Low Blow taking over New York and Mid South either getting taken over or being absorbed on down the line until we are all situated where we like.

It seems we have come to some conclusions. I wonder what the consensus is on people keeping caught up and the month rule. It's something I think we ought to stick to so we avoid situations like this in the future. As for me taking over New York's roster, I was thinking about this at work all day and came to some conclusions. First, I want to use the old system regardless of who is taking over what territory. I feel like we've gone away from having rules we went by and that's how we got where we are now. So either we do the same thing we did the last two times or we start a new tradition and stick to that one. Second, Parv is a stubborn guy and I am not entirely convinced he's going to quit. He got by with doing short, short match write-ups with announcer quotations to rave reviews and can go back to it if he's on short time. Also, it seems like handing off New York is his idea, and unless he has to he's not going to leave knowing that. And there are certain territories that shouldn't die. So everything that comes after this is hypothetical at very best and immaterial at worst. If I did end up taking over Parv's territory, there are only two workers on the roster I could see using. I wouldn't run any of the territory. I would probably try to set up some New York only developmental territory for smaller arenas while letting other nearby promotions divide up the towns as they see fit. All I ever want territory-wise is Quebec with occasional trips out east for the big venues like I do now. Besides Steamboat and (maybe) Robinson, if I could swing getting Adrian Street for a partner by sending Ole Anderson (picked up) off to ICW. Andre would be useless to me on a week to week basis but highly beneficial to somebody like Low Blow who wants more talent. What better way to get more talent than loan out Andre in return for big name guys to come in? I'd ask a fairly high price in return, but I feel like losing the Fantastics is a small thing compared to the talent Andre can bring in. A great partner for Steamboat would be Tito Santana. Maybe I could swing a deal where I picked up Heenan, sent him to WWA for Gary Hart, then turned around and sent Hart off to WCCW for Santana. Maybe not on all of these, but I think you see where I am going with this. You also have to consider that it's not a net gain. I think originally Wahoo had to drop 6 to pick up ten. I'm not sure how the numbers work out given Parv's roster size and the total amount of promotions for a fair amount of draftable talent. My guess would be somewhere from 4 to 6 without dropping anyone. I have three members of my roster who are expendable. Tony Ricco takes the falls for Louis Laurence in tags and little else. Dan Johnson does the same for Richard Charland. Steve Regal will be taking up that role for Goldie Rogers. Given that these are actually important roles to protect my budding young stars, odds are I won't be dropping more than one. And my JTTS teams serve a pretty important purpose. You need to have guys like that. So at best I'd pull 7 guys off of the New York roster and trade them for people I had more use for, with four or five being more likely. It doesn't seem like a massive gain for me at the cost of everyone else the way I'm seeing it.

Not that I can tell. there are some things we need to find some agreement on. To me these are the ones that seemed important. 1. What it means to be in. There has to be some expectations being met of participating on a weekly or bi-weekly at most basis if you ask me. Getting a month or two behind cannot be something we see a lot of. This is something of a cooperative effort on a lot of levels and we all need to be close to the same page for that to work. 2. If somebody needs to take an absence they should need to announce it publicly and have a plan for how to deal with it. I feel very strongly on this. It's not fair to the rest of the people involved to be gone indefinitely with no reasons given for all to see. 3. What happens if somebody doesn't meet the above expectations the first time? The second and third? Do we want people to follow Parv's lead and have someone take over as booker in the interim if they have to be gone and don't want to quit just yet? I have no ideas as of yet on this, but it is an important thing to decide. 4. How do we handle promotions without a booker? Do we use the old model of absorbing them into the next in line as originally drawn up? Do we start new dispersal drafts? How do we handle people moving from one promotion to another fairly? How do we handle new people coming in to book a territory? This has been a topic of hot debate and the one I believe will be the hardest to get an agreement on. I think I covered most of it. If I missed anything feel free to throw it in. Edit: Oh, and has anyone heard from Jesse about his absence? If we're going to give Brian time, we owe Jesse the same courtesy if he's informed somebody about needing to be gone.

September 23rd, 1983, Centre Civique, Drummondville, QC (4,000, sellout) Dan Johnson defeated Alex Gerrard with a power slam The Can Am Express defeated the Kay Brothers with a dropkick/cobra clutch combo on Bobby Kay The Tongan Terrors defeated Louis Laurence & Tony Ricco Gilles Poisson, Hurricane Kamiguchi & Stonehead Ishimoto defeated Gino Brito, Tony Parisi & Invader 3 with a loaded headbutt on Parisi Rene Goulet & Dave Kochen defeated Goldie Rogers & Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland with a Kochen inside cradle on Rogers The Midnight Express & Mad Dog Lefebvre defeated Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers & Invader 1 with a second rope powerslam/running leg drop combo on Raymond

International Wrestling, September 23rd, 1983 (Taped September 21st, 1983, at the Colisée de Trois-Rivieres, Trois-Rivieres, QC) 3,500 fans, sellout 0:00 - 14:00 The opening montage brings us to Jacques, Sr. at the announce table, welcoming us to another edition of International Wrestling. His tone is angry as he tells the fans they will now see a video of what pulled the Rougeaus away from their match last week. The camera cuts to a camera man running a little unsteadily only to find the Midnight Express attacking a face-down Armand Rougeau, Condrey stomping away at the back of his neck in between Condrey hitting the same spot with the edge of a folding chair. Jacques and Raymond Rougeau come running up in the background, with the Midnight Express taking off. The elder Rougeau brothers help load their brother on a gurney before turning it over to the medical personnel and running back towards the ring. The camera cuts back to Jacques, Sr. Jacques, Sr.: My youngest son, Armand, was taken to the hospital to see if he sustained any neck injuries. He is recovering from a minor injury that will keep him out at least until early October. I cannot believe that even Eddie Creatchman would stoop so low as to orchestrate this kind of attack on my son. My other sons, Raymond and Jacques, Jr., have demanded that they get a match with the Midnight Express on October 1st. It seems to me that this is exactly what Eddie Creatchman and the Midnight Express wanted, but I understand my sons wanting to get revenge for what happened to their brother. The camera cuts to the ring where Etienne Bergeron is awaiting his opponent. Rene Goulet comes out of the back to cheers and Jacques, Sr. is happy to see the respected veteran. Rene Goulet vs. Etienne Bergeron Goulet is dominant from bell to bell, having his way with Bergeron. He finishes Bergeron off with a scorpion claw hold without breaking a sweat. Rene Goulet over Etienne Bergeron by pinfall with a scorpion claw hold 4:31 Jacques, Sr. gives Goulet credit for an impressive victory before talking about the rest of the matches on the card tonight. He says there is a major announcement regarding the October 1st Montreal Forum show later tonight in addition to the tag titles match and to stay tuned! The camera cuts back to the ring with Dave Kochen, halfway down the aisle. Kochen is greeted warmly by the fans if not overly loudly. Jacques, Sr. talks about Kochen’s potential and his lethal abdominal stretch. Goldie Rogers is out next, strutting on his way to the ring and paying attention to the female fans in the first few rows. He points at Kochen and immediately gets serious. Jacques, Sr. recounts Rogers’ actions two weeks ago in the six man tag match. Dave Kochen vs. Goldie Rogers Rogers starts off hot, laying into Kochen, who comes firing back with rights. Kochen hits a dropkick and a few elbow drops to take control. Rogers starts to cower away from the punches to the face before hitting a low blow as referee Andre Roy moves Kochen away from the corner. Kochen makes several desperate comeback attempts as Rogers works him over viciously, but can’t quite recover from the low blow. Rogers continually taunts the fans, asking them how they can cheer for a weakling and a sneak. Rogers is able to hit the neckbreaker with relative ease for the three count. Goldie Rogers over Dave Kochen by pinfall with the neckbreaker 6:48 Post-match Rogers stomps away at Kochen befoe being shoved off by Roy and head referee Adrian Desbois, who runs out from the back. Rogers taunts both Kochen and the crowd from ringside before sidling up to a woman in the front row with an angry-looking (and slightly bigger than Rogers) man sitting next to her and grinding his hips at her. Jacques, Sr. is disgusted by Rogers’ actions and hopes Kochen will be more wary of Rogers’ dirty tactics in the future. Commercial Break 14:00 - 23:00 Lou Albano and the Tongan terrors are in the ring with Jacques, Sr. when we return from commercial. Albano is looking gleeful tonight. The fans at ringside are booing the two big Tongans and their manager loudly, some throwing garbage at them. Jacques, Sr.: You are in a rare good mood Mr. Albano. It seems you are happy to have your charges back? Albano: You read my mind, Mr. Rougeau. I love having these guys here so much, I almost want to stop making management angry for a while. HAH. Almost. Jacques, Sr.: I wonder if you could do that if you tried, Mr. Albano. Albano: HAH! It turns out I do like you, Jacques, Sr. Jacques, Sr.: That’s good to know, Mr. Albano, I understand you asked for this interview time. I hope I don’t regret asking you what for. Albano: I think you and all of these fans, as clueless as they are, know exactly why I’m out here. The Can Am Express has been threatening ME because they are scared of my monsters. They think they can gain some kind of advantage going into our match for the Quebec Television Titles on October 1st by doing that I imagine. Well let me tell you this, Phil Lafon. My monsters are bigger, badder and meaner than you could ever be. And I would put money on King Tonga being every bit the athlete you are. Tonga John is a tough, strong, brutal man and neither one has the least bit of mercy or fear. Brunzell and Lafon have guts, I’ll give them that. But they need to think things through. These men behind me are monsters! Lafon, Brunzell or both could very easily have heir career ended because we have no intention of stopping once we get a three count. Jacques, Sr.: Mr. Albano, I think you underestimate both Lafon and Brunzell. They have proven to be very resilient, skilled competitors in the IWA. Albano: And these monsters behind me? Have they proven to be brutal, vicious and willing to hurt people? Have they proven to be double tough? Can you honestly say you’ve seen them on the short end of a beating? Jacques, Sr.: I can’t disagree with any of that, Mr. Albano. Your team is indeed very formidable. There are many who would call them out of control and dangerous, myself among them. Albano: Then you’re not as blind as I used to think you were. They are dangerous, and they are out of your control. They listen to me. They are. My. Monsters. They will be your TV champions and this crowd’s, and anyone watching’s TV champions. You won’t like it and we won’t care. Nothing you, the fans or Lafon and Brunzell do can change that. Jacques, Sr. exits the ring as the crowd starts throwing more trash in the ring at Albano and the Terrors. Bobby and Rudy Kay come out to a small amount of cheers, very likely because of who is in the ring. Jacques, Sr. returns to the announce table and puts over the Kays as valiant competitors, but very overmatched. The Tongan Terrors vs. The Kay Brothers The Terrors destroy the Kays after an initial barrage from both Kay brothers goes almost unnoticed by Tonga John. Rudy Kay gets an armbar on King Tonga later on only to take a brutal headbutt and crumple. King Tonga tags in Tonga John, who climbs up top. A savate kick from King sets up John for a flying headbutt that gets a three count. Tonga John over Rudy Kay by pinfall after a savate kick/flying headbutt combination 4:24 The Tongan Terrors celebrate post-match as the crowd boos and throws more garbage. They head to the back with Jacques, Sr. putting over the Tongan Terrors as monsters. His tone changes as Louis Laurence and Tony Ricco come flying back through the curtain to land in the aisle with the Terrors close after. Albano is directing his charges to beat up the two young wrestlers and slam their heads into the railing that flanks the aisle as Jacques, Sr. is calling for security. Laurence and Ricco are both bloody and Albano is directing his team to continue the punishment, Tonga John holding Laurence up for a King Tonga thumb spike. A fan gets too close at ringside and King Tonga kicks the railing at him. Security, all three referees and half the locker room finally come pouring out of the back to restrain the Terrors and we go to commercial. Commercial Break 23:00 - 30:00 We come back from commercial to Jacques, Sr. recapping the Tongan Terrors latest offense against the IWA. Laurence and Ricco were scheduled in this match, but they had to see the doctor in back after the beating they received at the hands of the Tongan Terrors. The camera cuts to the ring where the Gerrard Brothers are awaiting their opponents. Stonehead Ishimoto and Hurricane Kamiguchi come out of the ring to boos. Jacques, Sr. reminds the fans of their TV debut last week in which Ishimoto put something in his mask and headbutted Dave Kochen for a tainted win. Hurricane Kamiguchi & Stonehead Ishimoto vs. The Gerrard Brothers The Japanese team starts off with Kamiguchi looking for a Greco-Roman knuckle lock and kicking Tim Gerrard in the gut. The veteran masked men work over Gerrard’s back and ribs for a while, cutting of a few attempts at a tag. Alex Gerrard gets a nice run of punches on Ishimoto before Kamiguchi hits a neckbreaker on him as the illegal man and the Japanese team works over Alex’s neck. Alex is able to make a tag to Tim, who is in no condition to make a comeback. Kamiguchi grabs the young man as Ishimoto tags him, hitting a spinning Samoan drop in the center of the ring. Ishimoto loads up the mask as referee Pierre Bertrand chases Kamiguchi out of the ring and falls straight into a headbutt to the ribs of the downed Tim Gerrard for three. Stonehead Ishimoto over Tim Gerrard by pinfall after an airplane spin Samoan drop/falling headbutt combination 5:07 Jacques, Sr. is once again incensed at the tactics of the Japanese veterans. He knows that this tactic will backfire on them eventually and hopes he is watching when it does. The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers are up next, don’t go away! Commercial Break 30:00 - 40:30 We come back to a shot of the ring after commercial. Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland and Dan Johnson come out to a good amount of boos, Charland doing everything he can to get the crowd to notice his belt. Jacques, Sr. wishes Richard Charland would treat that belt with some dignity. He believes the title does not make the man, but the other way around. Jacques, Sr. points to his sons as examples of this as they come out to a massive pop with their titles around their waists. Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers vs. Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland & Dan Johnson Charland is stalling from the get-go, not wanting to tangle with either Rougeau. Finally he locks up with Jacques only to rake the eyes, throw a few rights and tag out to Johnson. A very angry Jacques runs over Johnson before tagging in Raymond, who begins working over Johnson’s back and ribs. Charland is able to turn the tide in Johnson’s favor and get tagged in to do some work on Raymond, who backs him right into Jacques while in a front facelock. The crowd explodes when Jacques massacres Charland. Charland manages to desperately tag in Johnson before almost diving out of the ring. The Rougeaus work over Johnson some more when he finally gets in the ring after three four counts from referee Andre Roy. Raymond tags Jacques and locks in a Quebec crab on Johnson, Jacques coming down with a flying knee drop to get the three. Jacques Rougeau over Dan Johnson by pinfall after a crab/flying knee drop combination 6:45 Jacques, Sr. is proud of his boys for not continuing the assault after the match despite Charland’s antics. He is interrupted by the crowd’s boos as Eddie Creatchman, microphone in hand, and the Midnight Express come halfway down the aisle. The crowd boos the trio very loudly and throw garbage at them. Creatchman: I’m happy to see that you two are keeping the belts that belong to the Midnight Express in good shape. You see, we already know we’ve got the match on October 1st. Instead of punishing the Midnight Express for their actions last week, you’re going to reward us with a title shot on October 1st. A member of the crowd throws a not empty drink at Rose, who scowls menacingly at the woman. Jacques, Sr. is in the ring with his sons, handing them a microphone. Raymond: I know you think you’ve won, Creatchman. What you did last week crossed the line and you will all pay! Jacques, Jr.: We owe it to Armand to make you pay for what you did and we will. Every time you wrestled us before, it wasn’t personal. Now it is. The crowd pops huge for this. Creatchman: You two are so predictable. There was no way you were going to give us a third match any other way. Let’s just ask Dennis Condrey and Randy Rose. Did I or did I not tell you that if we hurt Armand his older brothers would want to wrestle you? Rose: You did. Condrey: Word for word. Creatchman: So you see, you may think you have us where you want us. You may think that this time we don’t know what we’re up against. But what I know is that you are playing my game. I’m sure the two of you will come out all guns blazing on the 1st, but it’s no matter. My team doesn’t just go into a match expecting rage and will to carry them to victory. They have a plan, which is more than I can ever say about you two. Furthermore, Dennis Condrey and Randy Rose have proven they can beat you. You, your overprotective father and all of these fans are in for a big surprise on October 1st. Creatchman is yelling to get his words out over the boos from the crowd. Jacques, Sr.: Eddie Creatchman, you got what you wanted. You got your title shot. Your team also injured my son and I hope they understand what they have gotten themselves into. Creatchman: They know. I told them. I showed them footage. They weren’t overly impressed and I can’t blame them. I can gaurantee you, one hundred percent, that those titles your sons are in possession of will be around the waists of Dennis Condrey and Randy Rose after October 1st. And the IWA will finally have deserving champions. The crowd again explodes into loud boos. Creatchman: What do you know? You’re simpletons and I could care less if you don’t like it. No amount of booing, drink throwing or yelling will stop the inevitable. Just remember this. Nobody wanted the Midnight Express to get another chance at those titles. Your wise and impartial announcer was convinced I couldn’t make it happen. But I did. And after that match your other sons will be joining Armand in the hospital! The Midnights and Creatchman again get pelted with garbage as Jacques and Raymond make for the ropes. Jacques, Sr. keeps his boys from running out and attacking the Midnight Express, calling a huddle in the middle of the ring. Creatchman and the Midnights head for the exit, Creatchman jawing with every fan he can on the way back. Commercial Break 40:30 - 43:00 Jacques, Sr. is standing in the ring as we come back from commercial, microphone in hand. Jacques, Sr.: Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time for our big announcement concerning the Montreal Forum show on October 1st. We already have the Canadian International Tag Team Titles on the line, the Can Am Express will be taking on the Tongan Terrors for the newly made Quebec Television Tag team Titles, Louis Laurence will be challenging Richard Charland for his Quebec Heavyweight Title and Andre the Giant will be wrestling! But that’s not the big announcement. The big announcement is that Mad Dog Vachon and Mad Dog Lefebvre are going to have it out to see who the real mad dog is! The crowd bursts into cheers. Jacques, Sr.: They will be joined by a dog collar for the match, ten feet of chain attached to a strap around both of their necks! We are calling Two Dogs on a Leash! Because of this ubiquitous match, we are calling the show the Dog Days of Fall! The crowd gets louder as Rougeau mentions the dog collar and doesn’t settle down. Jacques, Sr.: With that, I would like to welcome my guest out to the ring, MAD DOG VACHON! The cheers somehow get louder as Vachon jogs out to the ring. Jacques, Sr.: Mad Dog, it’s good to see you again. We’ve had our battles, but I can say that I respect you as a tough, strong, skilled competitor with a lot of guts. Vachon: You were no slouch yerself. That Lefebvre is tough too. I gotta make sure he’s a Mad Dog. Jacques, Sr.: I remember he always liked watching you growing up. Do you see any of yourself in him? Vachon: Some, but he’s still a pup. He’d better be ready for this match. I’m giving him everything I got. It’s gonna get bloody. One or both of us won’t be able to walk out. But you know me, Jacques, that’s how I like it! The crowd pops huge. Jacques, Sr.: I’ve seen you in more than enough bloody battles, Mad Dog. I know these fans are looking forward to that match, but I’m not sure I want to see either of you go through it. Vachon: You always were a big softie. Vachon slaps Jacques, Sr. hard on the back and the two laugh, Jacques, Sr. shaking the Mad Dog’s hand and exiting the ring. Commercial Break & Upcoming Events 43:00 - 62:00 The Invaders come out to a good pop and shake hands with Vachon. Jacques, Sr. describes for the fans the troubles the Invaders have had with Lefebvre and Poisson. Randy Rose, Mad Dog Lefebvre and Gilles Poisson emerge from the curtain to loud boos with Eddie Creatchman in tow. The crowd throws more garbage at Rose. Jacques, Sr. tells the fans to get ready for a brawl just as Lefebvre sprints the last half of the aisle and starts brawling with Vachon, the Invaders joining in. Mad Dog Vachon & the Invaders vs. Randy Rose, Mad Dog Lefebvre & Gilles Poisson Rose and Poisson rush the ring to even things up and the match never settles down. Head referee Adrian Desbois has his hands full keeping one man from each team in the ring for any amount of time. About ten minutes in, Vachon and Lefebvre, both illegal men, start brawling on the outside and work their way up the aisle. The match continues 2 on 2 in the ring with Poisson catching Invader 3 with a low blow that nearly wins the match. Invader 1 stomps away at Poisson’s head after breaking the pin only to be blindsided by Rose and sent to the floor. The Mad Dogs disappear into the back as Poisson and Rose began working over Invader 3’s back. More than a few comebacks by Invader 3 get shut down before he tags in an infuriated Invader 1 who decimates Poisson before dropkicking Rose out of the ring. Creatchman has a quick strategy session with Rose on the outside. Invader 1 looks ready to hit the heart punch on Poisson when Rose hits a few clubbing forearms to the back. Invader 1 fights back with right hands and drove Rose back only to again turn to Poisson and continue the assault. Rose blindsides Invader 1 again, this time hitting a back kick to the gut to cut off the right hands. A big side slam by Rose puts Invader 1 in trouble, but Poisson is unable to capitalize. Invader 3, somewhat recovered comes in and starts working Poisson over, bouncing off the ropes perhaps for his senton, but Rose catches him in the back with a knee. Poisson goes right to the eyes and whips Invader 3 hard into the corner, tagging in Rose. Rose hits a second rope powerslam, Poisson tagging back in as Rose is setting up, and runs across the ring to knock Invader 1 off the apron and slide out. Poisson grabs Invader 3 in a bearhug with the Puerto Rican wrestler fighting to get to the ropes and then going to the eyes, but his strength is sapped and he ends up passing out in the hold. Gilles Poisson over Invader 3 via submission with a bearhug 16:13 Jacques, Sr. is appalled at the tactics used by Poisson and Rose to isolate their opponents. He admits it’s effectiveness, but cannot condone that sort of behavior. Jacques, Sr. Runs down the card for October 1st, The Dog Days of Fall with a graphic on the screen as we go off the air. The Dog Days of Fall, Ocober 1st, 1983, Montreal Forum Mad Dog Vachon takes on mad Dog Lefebvre in a Two Dogs on a Leash match! The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers defend the Canadian International Tag Team Titles against the Midnight Express in a grudge match for the Rougeaus! Hercules Ayala looks to prove his strength against Andre the Giant! The Can Am Express and the Tongan Terrors vie for the privilege of being the inaugural Quebec Television Tag Team Champions! Dino Bravo takes on the Texas Tornado, Stan Hansen! Invader 3 takes on bitter rival Gilles “The Fish” Poisson Returning Armand Rougeau & Rene Goulet face the masked Hurricane Kamiguchi & Stonehead Ishimoto Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland defends his title against “The Farmer” Louis Laurence Tony Parisi and Dave Kochen look for a win over rival Goldie Rogers and his partner Steve Regal Dark Matches Post-Show Dennis Condrey and Eddie Creatchman came out to the ring, Creatchman getting on the mic and asking if anybody in the back thought they could beat the Midnight Express. The Can Am Express came out, which prompted Creatchman to say, “Oh, look, the “other” express.” The Can Ams gave the Midnights a scare, but Condrey and Rose won after Condrey used a suplex lift to set Rose up for a second rope powerslam on Lafon.

Going with the state rivalry as a (sort of, damn you Rotten Ron Starr) line in the sand for your big feuds was a nice twist on the more international approach. Then you turn it around with the Starr/Johnny Rich feud, which has all kinds of potential for turns in the long run. I agree that it is indeed a solid start. I did notice all of your matches hit the same time mark roughly besides the squashy one. Maybe have a few minutes differential as you go up the card to separate out the main event types from the midcard from the lower guys. Also tends to make for less long matches with guys who are simply not at that level yet. I do feel confident leaving Denis Goulet to your booking though. Seems like you plan on keeping the general feel for the promotion, and this has been a good one consistently.

Olympia as the hot tag doomed the efforts in that match I think. Good setup for your tag titles match with yet another amusing Zumhofe destruction. Even the ref doesn't care.

JYD and Ted both get a big win before New Orleans! Good way to give both some momentum going in.

September 22nd, 1983, Colisée des Bois-Franc, Victoriaville, QC (3,420, sellout) Dan Johnson defeated Tim Gerrard with a power slam Louis Laurence & Tony Ricco defeated the Kay Brothers with a wishbone snap/half crab on Rudy Kay Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland defeated Dave Kochen to retain his title Jim Brunzell defeated Tonga John by disqualification after King Tonga ran down to the ring and attacked, Phil Lafon made the save leading to a 2 on 2 brawl Gino Brito, Tony Parisi & Phil Lafon defeated Goldie Rogers, Hurricane Kamiguchi & Stonehead Ishimoto with a side suplex/flying senton on Rogers Invader 1 went to a double count-out with King Tonga The Midnight Express & Mad Dog Lefebvre defeated Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers & Invader 3 with an assisted Lefebvre second rope superplex on Invader 3

Great main on Superstars. The Boston show did not disappoint! Great show up and down with Ted being sent packing! bock vs. Backlund should be great. When we get a real finish. Bock is too much of a cagey vet to allow Backlund a quick one match win.

Ooh, Cornette forming his Midnight Express style team right as his faces are triumphant! Love it. The Armstrongs vs. the Flames looks to be a kickass feud as well. Good turnaround from the previous feuds and great work overall.

Another really fun show. Seems like more of an "in between" show setting up bigger things down the road all around. Liking the idea of The Fabs and the Dynasty locking up a lot though!

TEW is about you as the booker taking on the world. This is more about many bookers working together, bickering, and/or both. Honestly with the way you and goc are I can't believe you're not lining up to take WCCW over. Seems like you two would book that little war in a way that was entertaining without ever having to cooperate or compare notes.

Over time your roster will get bigger. The territory that absorbs the next one takes some of the roster, but it was less then half IIRC. yeah, you're getting midcard guys, but there's no problem in having a strong midcard that you can build into a strong upper mid/main event scene. It just takes time and patient booking.

So jump over to Florida. Their roster is ridiculously loaded. I would agree that you don't get to pick up your old roster after jumping. seems like too much.

If Trav and JHawk aren't going to pick Denis Goulet I will select him and immediately throw him to the Alabama Wrestling Alliance. Lots of tags and brawling would be appreciated, Boon.

Remember that the territory takeover model also involved dropping a good amount of wrestlers. I am in agreement with goc on both counts though. If it comes to that, let's just have somebody absorb the promotion and sort out the rosters after they cherry pick them.

One thing I'm picking up reading this thread is that we each have something we want out of this happening. Here's what i want. I want 8 - 10 promotions that update (weekly or biweekly, daily, whatever) on a regular basis. My reasoning is this. If we get down to 5 and I want to unload, let's say Louis Laurence, for a few months it becomes more difficult. Because maybe he's been to each of the other four promotions, or three of them. And if they don't have room for what they will use him as based on what he has already done there? No dice. Also, the more promotions you have, the more chances there are for interpromotional invasions, cross-promotion groups, whatever you want to do. And finally, I like reading what other people do with it. It's always interesting to see somebody else's take on wrestling and a project like this will show you how that person looks at it really clearly. I think we're getting hung up on a lot of the details of the how of it. We all want something to happen for our own reasons. there is one certainty with as many people involved as we have. You're not going to get things exactly your way. We're all going to have to give up something we wanted going in so we can hammer out a deal that works for everyone involved. It's not going to be easy and it's going to take compromises.

I'm definitely okay with people switching promotions. I think if Brian was going to be out for a month he ought to have mentioned it as publicly as possible. I feel like we should give him some leeway though as he does have his reasons. He should be given until the first full week of October to give some kind of response given the circumstances. But I want two caveats attached as well. 1. If you're going to be taking some time off for a while, let everyone know why and give a general idea of how long. Maybe have somebody take over for you in your absence like Parv did. 2. For those promotions that are behind, there ought to be some kind of timeframe they have to keep to. If you're in, it's all well and good to say so. But keep posting something along the lines of catching up at least weekly. Or something along those lines. It doesn't even have to be a big, long thing. Just something. I want to also take time to point out that it does affect other people's promotions. KrisZ had planned on making half his big show about the rest of the NWA. There are interpromotional plans. If you're not posting anything for a month or so those sorts of things get screwed up.

I'm of the opinion that WWA is in based on recent shows. As far as new bookers, I see no problem giving them run of the other promotions. I have a hard time seeing a territory system without WCCW, Georgia and Florida. If there is some kind of problem with how loaded the Florida roster is (not from me, but there are other ways of looking at it) maybe it's Georgia and WCCW that get the newer writers. Who got the Florida towns I don't recall. I would guess that neither new writer would *want* to be ICW, but again there are different ways of looking at it. Let's just try to find a resolution in the most peaceful way possible.