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Olympia as the hot tag doomed the efforts in that match I think. Good setup for your tag titles match with yet another amusing Zumhofe destruction. Even the ref doesn't care.

JYD and Ted both get a big win before New Orleans! Good way to give both some momentum going in.

September 22nd, 1983, Colisée des Bois-Franc, Victoriaville, QC (3,420, sellout) Dan Johnson defeated Tim Gerrard with a power slam Louis Laurence & Tony Ricco defeated the Kay Brothers with a wishbone snap/half crab on Rudy Kay Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland defeated Dave Kochen to retain his title Jim Brunzell defeated Tonga John by disqualification after King Tonga ran down to the ring and attacked, Phil Lafon made the save leading to a 2 on 2 brawl Gino Brito, Tony Parisi & Phil Lafon defeated Goldie Rogers, Hurricane Kamiguchi & Stonehead Ishimoto with a side suplex/flying senton on Rogers Invader 1 went to a double count-out with King Tonga The Midnight Express & Mad Dog Lefebvre defeated Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers & Invader 3 with an assisted Lefebvre second rope superplex on Invader 3

Great main on Superstars. The Boston show did not disappoint! Great show up and down with Ted being sent packing! bock vs. Backlund should be great. When we get a real finish. Bock is too much of a cagey vet to allow Backlund a quick one match win.

Ooh, Cornette forming his Midnight Express style team right as his faces are triumphant! Love it. The Armstrongs vs. the Flames looks to be a kickass feud as well. Good turnaround from the previous feuds and great work overall.

Another really fun show. Seems like more of an "in between" show setting up bigger things down the road all around. Liking the idea of The Fabs and the Dynasty locking up a lot though!

TEW is about you as the booker taking on the world. This is more about many bookers working together, bickering, and/or both. Honestly with the way you and goc are I can't believe you're not lining up to take WCCW over. Seems like you two would book that little war in a way that was entertaining without ever having to cooperate or compare notes.

Over time your roster will get bigger. The territory that absorbs the next one takes some of the roster, but it was less then half IIRC. yeah, you're getting midcard guys, but there's no problem in having a strong midcard that you can build into a strong upper mid/main event scene. It just takes time and patient booking.

So jump over to Florida. Their roster is ridiculously loaded. I would agree that you don't get to pick up your old roster after jumping. seems like too much.

If Trav and JHawk aren't going to pick Denis Goulet I will select him and immediately throw him to the Alabama Wrestling Alliance. Lots of tags and brawling would be appreciated, Boon.

Remember that the territory takeover model also involved dropping a good amount of wrestlers. I am in agreement with goc on both counts though. If it comes to that, let's just have somebody absorb the promotion and sort out the rosters after they cherry pick them.

One thing I'm picking up reading this thread is that we each have something we want out of this happening. Here's what i want. I want 8 - 10 promotions that update (weekly or biweekly, daily, whatever) on a regular basis. My reasoning is this. If we get down to 5 and I want to unload, let's say Louis Laurence, for a few months it becomes more difficult. Because maybe he's been to each of the other four promotions, or three of them. And if they don't have room for what they will use him as based on what he has already done there? No dice. Also, the more promotions you have, the more chances there are for interpromotional invasions, cross-promotion groups, whatever you want to do. And finally, I like reading what other people do with it. It's always interesting to see somebody else's take on wrestling and a project like this will show you how that person looks at it really clearly. I think we're getting hung up on a lot of the details of the how of it. We all want something to happen for our own reasons. there is one certainty with as many people involved as we have. You're not going to get things exactly your way. We're all going to have to give up something we wanted going in so we can hammer out a deal that works for everyone involved. It's not going to be easy and it's going to take compromises.

I'm definitely okay with people switching promotions. I think if Brian was going to be out for a month he ought to have mentioned it as publicly as possible. I feel like we should give him some leeway though as he does have his reasons. He should be given until the first full week of October to give some kind of response given the circumstances. But I want two caveats attached as well. 1. If you're going to be taking some time off for a while, let everyone know why and give a general idea of how long. Maybe have somebody take over for you in your absence like Parv did. 2. For those promotions that are behind, there ought to be some kind of timeframe they have to keep to. If you're in, it's all well and good to say so. But keep posting something along the lines of catching up at least weekly. Or something along those lines. It doesn't even have to be a big, long thing. Just something. I want to also take time to point out that it does affect other people's promotions. KrisZ had planned on making half his big show about the rest of the NWA. There are interpromotional plans. If you're not posting anything for a month or so those sorts of things get screwed up.

I'm of the opinion that WWA is in based on recent shows. As far as new bookers, I see no problem giving them run of the other promotions. I have a hard time seeing a territory system without WCCW, Georgia and Florida. If there is some kind of problem with how loaded the Florida roster is (not from me, but there are other ways of looking at it) maybe it's Georgia and WCCW that get the newer writers. Who got the Florida towns I don't recall. I would guess that neither new writer would *want* to be ICW, but again there are different ways of looking at it. Let's just try to find a resolution in the most peaceful way possible.

Milwaukee show is shaping up to be pretty good! Hogan vs. Patera in the main, Roadies & Bills, Tully showing up for a six man! I do wonder what kind of "Polish" stipulation is going to decide Wiskowski vs. Putski.

So run all the way up to September 16th as a summary. Use that to build up your big matches, etc. and have that big show be your restart. Then just cruise from there.

Grimmas had suggested that a summary of events could be done. Maybe do a more broad summary of storylines and title changes, whatever, leading up to mid-September and go from there? It's not something that is highly appealing, I understand, but it will get you back in the thick of it faster.

Kris, I'm sorry to see you go as you were one of my very favorite promotions. I will miss the GC, Jake & co. and Butch & Koko having a great three way feud for sure. Boricua, nobody is going to kick you out. If you have a plan to catch back up and think you can do that, that is the purpose here. We want to find out who it is that still wants to do this and who has just drifted away to the point where they are no longer interested.

Depending on how many want to come in that should be set up differently. Obviously we will need to make some exceptions on the draft for the one or two new promoters coming in (if they do). Do they keep their main talent, say ten or twelve? Do they get more and better high draft picks? Which promotions are being taken over? These are all questions for after we know who is still in, but I'm trying to cover all of our bases so we get some ideas going.

The main in Mobile looks incredible. I'm liking the major feuds and the more midcard feuds as well. Fabs vs. Eaton/Pritchard looks awesome.

September 20th, 1983, Auditorium de Shawinigan, Shawinigan, QC (3,700, sellout) The Gerrard Brothers defeated Etienne Bergeron & Frederic Tremblay with a double suplex on Bergeron Dan Johnson defeated Bobby Kay with a power slam Goldie Rogers defeated Dave Kochen with a neckbreaker Earth & Sky defeated Louis Laurence & Tony Ricco with an airplane spin Samoan drop/falling headbutt combo on Ricco The Can Am Express & Rene Goulet defeated the Tongan Terrors & Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland after King Tonga savate kicked Charland when Lafon moved and Lafon pinned Charland The Midnight Express, Mad Dog Lefebvre & Gilles Poisson defeated the Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers & the Invaders with a bearhug/second rope superplex combo on Invader 3, Invader 1 bled after Poisson dropped him over the post over the corner, Invader 1’s mask was half ripped off after the match and the Invaders attacked Poisson & Lefebvre, leading to a 4 team brawl

September 19th, 1983, Centre des Loisirs, Thetford Mines, QC (2,500, sellout) The Kay Brothers defeated Etienne Bergeron & Frederic Tremblay with a Rudy Kay backbreaker on Tremblay Tony Ricco defeated Tim Gerrard with a flying crossbody Quebec heavyweight Champion Richard Charland & Dan Johnson defeated Louis Laurence & Dave Kochen when Charland put his feet up on the second rope after a schoolboy on Kochen Phil Lafon over Rene Goulet with a cobra clutch, the two shook hands post-match Gino Brito & Tony Parisi cut a promo about Hata's "headbutt" Gino Brito & Tony Parisi went to a DCO with Earth & Sky Jacques Rougeau defeated Jim Brunzell with a Quebec crab, the two shook hands post-match Raymond Rougeau & the Invaders defeated Dennis Condrey, Mad Dog Lefebvre & Gilles Poisson when Raymond helped Invader 1 out with the Catapult on Lefebvre

I've been in support of giving people the benefit of the doubt before, but I'm getting to the point where I feel like there needs to be some resolution. At least half of the promotions haven't been heard from even in the sense of "I'm working on it." for quite a while. I don't have a lot of interest in new talent because I have enough to continue with the storylines I have going and planned for a good year and a half with no new talent. That being said, I think we need to figure out who exactly is still in this thing. I understand that the excitement of the draft and starting things has worn off and now it could be seen as work more than fun. I understand that maybe reading everyone else's stuff in addition to yours is a bit of a chore. But there has to come a time where either you are in or you're not. I understand completely if the time and effort aren't something you're not able or willing to put in. Parv has admitted as much and handed off his promotion for the time being, which I think is a respectable way to go about it. I do think there has to come a time where we are honest with ourselves about whether or not it's something we want to do or something we are going to do. I don't want to kick anyone out who is willing to try and catch things up. I just wonder how many are willing and how many just haven't admitted it to themselves yet. And I am not saying it's a bad thing if time constraints get in the way because of work, family or whatever else. I just think it's something that should be decided definitely rather than just let hang. We have one person who has actively expressed interest in joining and another who has reportedly done so. I think we have to make some hard choices very soon.

I didn't care for the AWA as much after you get past 1984 or so. I will agree that when all the older big names were around they had a lot going on and it was a really exciting promotion. I also find Verne's booking too safe for my tastes.

Just got caught up and I was a big fan of the Philly show. I like how both of your big feuds revolve around Dibiase right now.