BigBadMick

Where is that one?it was during Edge's feud with FLair. So, sometime in NOv 05 to Jan 06

Agreed. And, trying to make yourself a wrestling fan sounds like a bad idea. I've had loads of friends that drop in and out of wrestling over the years - making them watch it all year round, and take part in a podcast would be disastrous.

I don't hate her, but I think she's more than a little whiny (and unrealistic) about expecting wrestling fans to follow her anywhere else.

I've been listening to Todd Martin with Wade lately. He's 50 times better with Wade than he was with Bryan.

'With this new test, shouldn't the WWE give that test to everybody who has had some concussions, just to be sure? Even if that risks forcing a lot of the roster to retire? Isn't the heath more important?' It should be, but just IMAGINE running that by Vince.

Fascinating PPV to review, and you three didn't disappoint. The extra comments from Loss were very interesting. Looking forward to your views on the rest of the Watts era.

Austin and Tyson, Jan '98

uk rampage 91.

Come on OJ. You can question the others but you've never heard of dibiase-JYD?

Edit - I'd add the Dec 03 Michaels match, and 2 Ppv matches with Jeff hardy in Autumn 08

Which year did he say the G1 was the greatest wrestling tournament ever? And did anyone ask him afterwards if he stod by that? I get that it's his opinion and all that but if you're in his position and know that your opinion will be discussed, wouldn't you be more cautious? Hope I'm not coming across as a dick, I'm just thinking what I'd do if it was me.

Ok, but is this different from all the eye rolling over him championing modern New Japan?

I'm not denying him the right to enjoy anything he wants to enjoy. I'm just wondering if he will stand by that opinion in 6 months time.

Yup, some booze helped the 8/92 Hansen-misawa match go down a hell of a lot easier than their two meetings earlier that year.

Again, JR first used that, around survivors 2000, in connection with the elaborate scheme that had recently been unveiled to remove Austin in Nov 1999. Someone must have liked it - it stuck.

As chance would have it, I'm away from home today. Have some all Japan disks and a few cans. Will see how I get on.

could you list the HHH matches?

Sorry, I meant to write earlier please feel free to add to/delete from this list.

In his defense, here's a rundown of what I feel is his good-or-better output, post 2001 - 2002 - v Angle early in the year, v Jericho in HiaC 2003 - nothing 2004 - WM, Backlash, v Benoit at Vengeance, a great triple threat with Edge and Benoit in Nov/Dec 2005 - Elimination Chamber, HiaC with Batista, Flair in the cage match, a couple of good Raw matches with Benoit 2006 - WM (Bit torn here - not really a match that helped Cena, but he wrestled well), V Edge v Cena (Backlash). Not a fan of the DX stuff, but as the year closed they had a decent 6 man with Cena v Orton Edge Umaga 2007 - DX v Edge Orton was going very well until his knee fell apart, loved his streetfight with Umaga in October or November, and the LMS v Orton around the same time. 2008 - Really contributed to a very good Elimation chamber in Feb, good match v Edge in July, generally liked his move to Smackdown (Nice match v taker there) Really strong triple threat with Edge and Jeff Hardy in Dec 2009 - Good performance in Elimination chamber, and the 6 man tag at Backlash. Another DX reunion gave us one good match v Rhodes and DiBiase jr at Summerslam, and the ladder match v Jerishow in Dec. 2010 - liked the WM and Backlash matches with Sheamus 2011 - big fan of v Undertaker. Not so much the Punk and Nash matches 2012 - big fan of v Undertaker. Enjoyed the SummerSlam Lesnar match, but it looks very tame now. 2013 - Didnt like the Lesnar matches 2014 - Really enjoyed the WM match, and the first 6 man with Shield 2015 - Nope

Cool. I'll look forward to it. I think this DiBiase-Windham comparison is really interesting.

Is that second paragraph directed to me?

I think the claim that Barry Windham's early 90s run is better than Ted's 80s Mid-South run is really stretching it. And would go against not only conventional wisdom but also my very recent experiences of watching both runs. I'm not sure if anything else needs to be said, but I've been watching them both side-by-side -- 80s Mid-South as part of my ongoing thread, early 90s Windham for WTBBP. Do you really think Windham has a great run in 91, 92 or 93? When? How? I think I missed this when I first read the post. Are you really putting NWA champ 93 Windham over peak Ted? Seems nuts. Ted has a lot of very good to great matches in the 80s. See the aforementioned thread for reviews of lots of them. As I've said on WTBBP many times, Windham had a habit of not bringing his A-game to PPV matches and seemingly a lot of his best performances are buried on TV shows. I honestly can't think of what you could be referring to in the "early 90s run" though. He has that match with Arn that I LOVE from 92. But I can't really think off the top of my head of too many stand outs. JvK, I know you're a massive fan of WCW in 1992 - where would you put Windham in a list of WCW's best workers that year? Below Rude, Steamboat, Arn, Dustin and Vader for sure. It would be a close run thing between him and the next set down, which would include Austin and Sting (in his career year). The claim from Dylan is a real head-scratcher for me. Windham feels kinda lost and floating around in 1990. He has a decent match with Luger that year. Some good stuff with Pillman on TV in 91. String of very good tags vs. Dangerous Alliance in 92, again on TV. The awesome Arn match. And I could probably leave the stuff vs. Gordy and Williams from later in the year. Into 93 and the stuff with Flair is disapponting. I recall the Regal and Scorpion matches being good. But really I don't think it all adds up to being better than Ted's signature run in Mid-South. And I'd probably take Ted's 88 over Windham's 1990 or 1991. I suspect that Dylan is probably making those Dustin tags vs. DA from the 92 TV do a lot of work in his argument. Ok, that's joint 6th in a really strong year for that promotion then. How about doing the same for DiBiase in Mid-South (you pick a year)? And maybe a statement about how the quality of Mid-South's roster measures up to WCW 92.

I think it could be the most emotional segment or one of the most memorable, but it wasn't functional. It wasn't going to draw any money. I don't think it was artistically appealing. It was real. It's sort of like, if you had for the final episode of MASH, the last five minutes were all of the actors breaking character and talking about their experiences and how much this mattered as the crowd went nuts for them. It's more of an Apples and Oranges thing in my mind. I guess on some level, it makes the WWE and Wrestling look more important, but those are really vague things. Dave's never been the best at separating things, though. He doesn't separate things, and coming out with a statement like that so soon afterwards seems rash to me.

I think the claim that Barry Windham's early 90s run is better than Ted's 80s Mid-South run is really stretching it. And would go against not only conventional wisdom but also my very recent experiences of watching both runs. I'm not sure if anything else needs to be said, but I've been watching them both side-by-side -- 80s Mid-South as part of my ongoing thread, early 90s Windham for WTBBP. Do you really think Windham has a great run in 91, 92 or 93? When? How? I think I missed this when I first read the post. Are you really putting NWA champ 93 Windham over peak Ted? Seems nuts. Ted has a lot of very good to great matches in the 80s. See the aforementioned thread for reviews of lots of them. As I've said on WTBBP many times, Windham had a habit of not bringing his A-game to PPV matches and seemingly a lot of his best performances are buried on TV shows. I honestly can't think of what you could be referring to in the "early 90s run" though. He has that match with Arn that I LOVE from 92. But I can't really think off the top of my head of too many stand outs. JvK, I know you're a massive fan of WCW in 1992 - where would you put Windham in a list of WCW's best workers that year?

Dave called Raw's final segment 'the best segment in the history of television wrrestling'. He's like a child with a new toy. Absolutely no sense of perspective....