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Storm Cradle Driver. To me that is one ugly move. How people are willing to play roulette with their neck like that is beyond me. Oh, and the Ganso Bomb.

Of course they matter. They can indicate who the public is tuning into watch. When Rey and Eddie were b umping the ratings by a million viewers in the Dominic feud, it clearly showed that the Hispanic market was turning in to see the soap opera. Whenthe feud ended, that entire market disappeared. How do we know this? A breakdown in ratings. I am not saying ratings affect the bottom line from a profit standpoint or how much ad revenue is generated by the ratings. I am saying they are a useful tool in assessing the watching habits of the public. How was that not clear from the first post?

THey are meaningless to your dollars but are still a useful indicator of how many people are actually tuning in to your product.

Here is the NWA version of the belt. These lists are taken from Obsessed with Wrestling. Buddy Rogers 50/01/01 Defeats Johnny Valentine in tournament final; Vacant when Rogers wins the World Heavyweight Title on 61/06/30. Pat O'Connor 61/08/24 Chicago, IL Awarded at the annual NWA meeting. Sgt. Slaughter 81/10/04 Charlotte, NC Defeats Ricky Steambot in tournament final. Wahoo McDaniel [2] 82/05/21 Richmond, VA Sgt. Slaughter [2] 82/06/07 Greenville, NC Wahoo McDaniel [3] 82/08/22 Charlotte, NC Greg Valentine [2] 82/11/04 Norfolk, VA Roddy Piper [2] 83/04/16 Greensboro, NC Greg Valentine [3] 83/05/01 Greensboro, NC Dick Slater 83/12/14 Shelby, NC Ricky Steamboat [3] 84/04/21 Greensboro, NC Wahoo McDaniel [4] 84/06/24 Greensboro, NC Vacated in 84/07 Wahoo McDaniel [5] 84/10/07 Charlotte, NC Defeats Manny Fernandez in tournament final. Magnum T.A. 85/03/23 Charlotte, NC Tully Blanchard 85/07/21 Charlotte, NC Magnum T.A. [2] 85/11/28 Greensboro, NC Stripped on 86/05/29 for attacking the NWA president Bob Geigel. Nikita Koloff 86/08/17 Charlotte, NC Defeats Magnum T.A. in best-of-7 tournament; Defeats Wahoo McDaniel to unify NWA National heavyweight title. Lex Luger 87/07/11 Greensboro, NC Dusty Rhodes 87/11/26 Chicago, IL Vacated on 88/04/15 when Rhodes suspended for attacking Jim Crockett. Barry Windham 88/05/13 Houston, TX Defeats Nikita Koloff in tournament final. Lex Luger [2] 89/02/20 Chicago, IL Michael Hayes 89/05/07 Nashville, TN Lex Luger [3] 89/05/22 Bluefield, WV Stan Hansen 90/10/27 Chicago, IL Lex Luger [4] 90/12/16 St. Louis, MO WCW United States Heavyweight title from 91/01; Vacates on 91/07/14 after winning WCW World Title. Sting 91/08/25 Atlanta, GA Defeats Steve Austin in tournament final. Rick Rude 91/11/19 Savannah, GA Vacates on 92/12 because of injury. Dustin Rhodes 93/01/11 Atlanta, GA Defeats Rick Steamboat in tournament final; Title held up after a match against Rick Rude Dustin Rhodes [2] 93/08/30 Atlanta, GA Defeats Rick Rude in rematch; Recognised as WCW United States Heavywieght title. Tully Blanchard [2] 97/02/08 Norfalk, VA Defeat Lady Killer in a 4-man tournament final; abandoned in 97.

Here are the WCW U.S. title holders. I'll get the NWA ones in a minute. Lex Luger December 16, 1990 St. Loius MO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sting August 25, 1991 Atlanta GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Rude November 19, 1991 Savannah GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dustin Rhodes January 11, 1993 Atlanta GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dustin Rhodes (2) September 30, 1993 Atlanta GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Austin December 27, 1993 Charolette NC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ricky Steamboat August 24, 1994 Cedar Rapids IA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Austin (2) September 18, 1994 Roanoke VA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Duggan September 18, 1994 Roanoke VA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vader December 27, 1994 Nashville TN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sting (2) June 18, 1995 Dayton OH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kensuke Sasaki November 13, 1995 Tokyo Japan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One Man Gang December 27, 1995 Nashville TN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Konnan January 29th, 1996 Canton, Ohio -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ric Flair July 7, 1996 Daytona Beach FL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eddie Guerrero December 29, 1996 Nashville TN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean Malenko March 16, 1997 Charleston SC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Jarrett June 9, 1997 Boston MA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve McMicheal September 21, 1997 Nashville TN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Curt Henning September 15, 1997 Charolette NC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Diamond Dallas Page December 28, 1997 Washington DC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raven April 19, 1998 Denver CO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Goldberg April 20, 1998 Colorado Springs CO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bret Hart July 20, 1998 Salt Lake City UT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lex Luger (2) September 10, 1998 Rapid City SD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bret Hart (2) September 13, 1998 Fargo ND -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Diamond Dallas Page (2) October 26, 1998 Phoenix AZ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bret Hart (3) November 30, 1998 Chattanooga TN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roddy Piper Febuary 8, 1999 Buffalo NY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Hall Febuary 21, 1999 Oakland CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Stiener April 11, 1999 Tacoma WA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Davd Flair July 5, 1999 Atlanta GA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Benoit August 9, 1999 Boise ID -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sid Vicious September 12, 1999 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Goldberg (2) October 24, 1999 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bret Hart (4) October 25, 1999 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Hall November 8, 1999 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Benoit (2) December 20, 1999 Washington DC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Jarrett (2) December 21, 1999 Baltimore MD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- January 14, 2000 - Vacated by Terry Funk's orders, **note** due to Jeff Jarrett's injuries. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Jarrett (3) January 17, 2000 Columbus OH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric B Stripped all Champions of thier Titles to begin an all new WCW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Steiner (2) April 16, 2000 Chicago IL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vacated July 10, 2000 Daytona Beach FL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lance Storm July 17, 2000 Auburn Hills MI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Funk September 22, 2000 Amirilo TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lance Storm (2) September 23, 2000 Lubbock TX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- General Rection October 29, 2000 Las Vegas NV -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lance Storm (3) November 12, 2000 London UK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- General Rection (2) November 26, 2000 Milwaukee WI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shane Douglas January 14, 2001 Indianapolis IN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Steiner February 5, 2001 Tupelo MS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Booker T March 26, 2001 Panama City FL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vince McMahon and WWFe buys WCW from Turner Broadcasting, and WCW temporarily closes it's doors. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kanyon July 26, 2001 Smackdown Booker T presents the U.S. Title to Kanyon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tajiri September 10, 2001 RAW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rhyno September 23, 2001 Unforgiven 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Angle October 22, 2001 RAW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edge November 12, 2001 RAW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The WCW United States Title is UNIFIED with the WWF Intercontinental Title, when the Edge beat the Test at Survivor Series 2001.

I don't understand why they didn't just have the Rumble on last... or am I missing something?

Benoit?

Oh, I know. Hell, that makes it even worsein my eyes. If you have to half-ass a move, why even bother?

There is no worse finisher than the FU. Nothing else even comes close. It is a Fireman's Carry ending a match in the year 2006. Pathetic.

The fact that you even mentioned Rey in that sentence puts a smile to my face.

There is always the headlock pin where the guy in the headlock turns his opponent on their back while stuck in the headlock. Think Ric Flair-Ricky Steamboat or any one of several Harley Race matches. The guy getting pinned either has to re-establish himself in a sitting headlock position or let go to break the pin.

I got bored of the DVDVR discs themselves so I don't know if I would be interested in a tournament that already resembles one we already did. I would say no.

I haven;t watched SD! throughout in ages but is there always a picture of Martin Luther King Jr. next to Vince McMahon? Talk about your polar opposites.

Just finished watching Mark Henry vs. Rey Mysterio from this week's SD! and you guys have to explain the Mark Henry love to me because that was a ** TV match tops. People used to comment how HBK would get good matches out of big guys by bouncing around the ring for them while they just lumbered around and that is exactly what I thought of this week's match. Hopefully, last week's match was much better becasue I am not feeling the love at all.

I think the 619 is a move that would work in small doses. If a guy happens to land that way nad Rey decided what the hell then we would be raving about it. The fact it happens in every single match is what kills the spectacle. However, I wil ltake the 619 over the bronco buster every single day of the week.

Except Ricky Steamboat was put over as a "martial artist" and most martial arts moves don't look like they could hurt anyone if you just look at them but it was put over as such.

I am having serious doubts about releasing it or going through the trouble of continuing it. I have a bad taste left in my mouth from the Hart set so I am kind of disillusioned with the whole idea right now.

Vince McMahon winnig it was a pretty low moment.

To me it is as believable as the Worm or the People's Elbow where the guy has to lay there for an hour while Garvin takes his sweet time jumping on him. If the opponent is so incapacitated that Garvin can stomp him then why doesn't he just pin him? If it is to show them up (like the People's Elbow) then why wasn't it ever put across that Garvin was simply embarassing his opponent? If he isn't unconscious, why doesn't he roll away? Why doesn't he just kick Garvin's leg from under him or grab a hold of the foot? To me, it is an unspectacular signature move as aethetically unpleasing to the eye as it is hokey. It is the way I felt when I was 15. It is the way I feel now. If it was a guy like King Kong Bundy or Earthquake doing it, maybe I could buy the fact that you have the guy's body weight coming down on him. With Garvin? No way.