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That Cena hurricarana was a great moment. Better executed than the time he did it to Punk. Great TV match.

Right now, one of the players did the John Cena "You can't see me" hand gesture, and the announcer referenced John Cena, the catch phrase and the gesture.

Cooke and Snowden can probably add some more but here are some for you, Loss. Matt Hume vs. Ken Shamrock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5stbNT25_1g I love that Shamrock does a northern-lights suplex, float-over into a kimura, as the finish. Shamrock used a similar spot in PWFG, except instead of a kimura, I believe he did a leglock. Mark Coleman vs Nobuhiko Takada This might be the most famous one out there. Dave Meltzer admitted on a random Wrestling Classics post that he was consulted on the worked finish of this fight. Nobuhiko Takada vs Alexander Otsuka Fisherman's Suplex. Hideo Tokoro vs Daisuke Nakamura This has never been confirmed but these are two shootstyle fans doing my favorite RINGS finish ever -- armbar counter to a calf slicer; Han-TK finish. Feels like an exhibition/homage to RINGS and shootstyle. Loss, Tokoro is a huge RINGS fan and is really into Volk Han. Nakamura trained under Kiyoshi Tamura and did some stuff for U-Style. Ken Shamrock vs Minoru Suzuki IIRC, Meltzer likes to mention this fight from time to time. Shamrock drops the King of Pancrase title to Suzuki, a couple of months before he goes to UFC 6 to face Dan Severn for the UFC Superfight Championship.

Four weeks ago on Twitter, when getting asked about it on Twitter, Meltzer replied that he would do those bios when: "Rey when contract with WWE expires, Cena when he's closer to end of career."

I'm pretty sure Ultimate Warrior beat the Undertaker via clean pinfall, body bag match stipulations, count out and DQ. EDIT: Ultimate Warrior also cleanly pinned Jerry Lawler. It was 1996 though.

I've seen Headhunter 1 a couple times in AAA/IWRG. He's alright but can't really do the high flying like the old days. A decent brawler though. Headhunter 2 retired years ago but I think he came back a couple times for house shows. Ah okay. I was curious, a local promoter is having a show where he is promoting The Headhunters in a tag as the main event. Was wondering if it's worth checking out. Thanks for your answer. Wow. That sounds awesome.

I haven't seen them work since I was a kid, but has anyone seen any Headhunters matches that took place in the last decade? Anything worth checking out?

I've always kind of wondered this: Does Lawler have any idea that at least a subsection of people think so highly of him as a worker? Not as a presence or as "The King." It used to be such a small minority and now it's not. Meltzer talked about this on Monday. He said how most of the WWF guys in the mid-late 1990's didn't think of him as a good worker. Apparently, Lawler only had a few supporters who thought of him as a "phenomenal worker" at the time. Meltzer said how the perception has changed, and now Lawler is thought of as a fantastic worker. Meltzer talks about how Lawler would, pre-heart attack, feel that he was better than most of the guys in WWE, and how badly he wanted to be pushed (this same story was in the WON last year when reporting about Lawler's heart attack). Meltzer concludes that when Lawler was given a chance by WWE, he did outwork most of the roster.

I don't think there is any case for Lesnar as the equal to either of those guys in drawing power. A part of me just wishes Dave would start adding MMA guys into the equation. I know he did it one year as a separate category and stopped for whatever reason, but it is obvious that people will be voting for Brock for reasons that have nothing to do with his pro wrestling career. In fact if not for his UFC stint I don't even think Brock ends up on the ballot. Years ago, Dave said that some of the people around him told him it wasn't a good idea and he closed it. I think it was his fellow colleagues in the MMA media that advised him to make his WON MMA HOF disappear, but I don't remember if he ever gave the exact reason why.

In 2004, I remember going to a house show and being really impressed with Christian as a singles worker and what he did with Shelton Benjamin. Lots of shtick, big bumps and fun stuff involving Tomko as his second. Christian made him feel like a great babyface in that match. One sequence by Christian was awesome -- he stole a fans sombrero (which got a lot of heat), Benjamin chased after him to get it back, Benjamin did a little dance once got it back and then he gave the fan his sombrero back, which got a nice pop. I remember the finish being clever but I don't remember the details too clearly. Before that, I remember Christian having good singles work that I liked with Jericho, DDP and Low Ki. There's probably some other good stuff that I don't remember too well. I've only seen one match of his TNA run, which was the world title win against Jeff Jarrett. I disliked the match because of the typical TNA-booking (Montreal-narrative *eye roll*). But yeah, when he went to ECW, he went to another level at that point.

That's so great.

"Well, it's not the slightest bit true for one." - Meltzer on Twitter, when I asked him for his take on this odd talking point that sprung up.

I'm a bit pleasantly surprised to see you have El Hijo Del Santo on your top-tier. Like Dylan said before me, those would also be my top five picks. How much Javier Llanes is out there? The very little I've seen of him is still enough for me to rank him at least in the "Strong Hands" category. EDIT: Interested in hearing your thoughts on Los Hermanos Dinamita/Los Capos and Rayo De Jalisco Jr.

Big Show is really fantastic.

Contrabando Y Traicion - The Best of Dino Bravo.

Listened to this last night, good stuff. Kris, you echoed some of my thoughts on Atlantis. From early on, in his match teaming up with El Hijo Del Santo against Fuerza/Rubio, it was just really apparent that this guy was a natural in the ring. Graceful high-flying, can go on the mat and can get down and brawl. Really excited about this set. As far as captains go, maybe I can work on a list to get non-Spanish speakers aware of who the captains are in trios, if anyone is interested.

I really feel the first Umaga match (from a few weeks before the LMS) is really overlooked. An excellent babyface ace vs athletic monster heel bout that would make a good double-feature with Lawler-Blackwell.

Wait, was it when one (or both) of the Briscos said something about Bret and Bret responded with a rant, calling one (or both) of them pill poppers?

A match to point to as an example of this divide might be the Rock N Roll Express vs Heavenly Bodies match at WWF Survivor Series 1993. Just an awesome match, four workers going all out and having great performances. I prefer this match over a lot of other hyped WWF-tag matches. The crowd just did not care, they treated the four guys with silence. In WCW [and other places], this same match would have had screaming fans jumping out of their seats.

In June, I went to a show at some night-club in South Texas to see a trios match that featured El Hijo Del Santo, Hijo De Pierroth, Brazo De Plata, and some locals. Pierroth was a fun rudo to the audience. He was going on about the audience being poor indios that eat nopales (cactus), making absurd claims ("my dad is more famous than El Santo!") and he also had some good brawling exchanges with Santo. Santo hit all his signature stuff smoothly and slapped Pierroth around hard, to the delight of everyone. The kids loved Plata and Santo and celebrated with them at the end. Good times.

It was mainly in ads but it was also used when writing about Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn in those magazines. It was used to describe UFC, Pancrase and UWFi. Maybe someone here remembers, but I think the term was used in the first PWI Almanac.

The term "Shootfighting" was seen frequently in Apter magazines in the mid-1990s. I remember my casual wrestling-watching friends and brothers would regularly use that word at the time (they picked it up from those publications). Pretty sure the term was uttered at some point in ECW and WWF as well, but I think the latter company preferred to use "No Holds Barred" instead of "Shootfighting". Like Clayton said earlier, "Shootfighting" was a very common term and Tenay wasn't alone in using it.

So you think Dan Rafael and the state commissions have been worked for years on premium TV boxing payouts?

Yep. I should have mentioned Haymon in my Berto post. I don't have the numbers for how much Matthysse and Peterson earned last month but I read about the undercard fight between Devon Alexander (another Haymon boxer) and Lee Purdy. Purdy got $150,000, while Devon Alexander got $700,000. I should note that Purdy lost $15,000 due to missing weight, so Alexander walked out with $715,000 for a fight that wasn't even the main event that evening. Neither guy is a draw, although Alexander is a good boxer with a [disputed] win over Matthysse.