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I've seen some pretty fun Bob Holly matches on Velocity. Also MNM-Haas/Holly feud was good. Thinking there probably is a better wrestler to dub the most mediocre of all time.

I am an EVOLVE fan but FloSlam now being $30 is pretty absurd. I can get the WWE Network, Highspots Wrestling Network, and Powerbomb.TV for that price.

That final Manu Ginobili block on James Harden should be a painting. One of the best moments of the 2017 NBA Playoffs. Danny Green and Ginobili pulling through at the end, despite Tony Parker out indefinitely and Kawhi Leonard nursing his injury on the bench, was so amazing to watch. I'm going to miss Ginobili so much when he's gone.

Kinda disappointing the lack of direction and stuff they've done with Chris Hero since signing him in January. Dude was the clear WOTY in 2016 and they just haven't done anything with him. Loses to Bobby Roode, then has a (good) match with the Drifter, gets thrown without any build up in a six-man tag match on the TakeOver show, and that's pretty much it. In just a few weeks, they've done a way better job with Drew McIntyre and Aleister Black than they've done with Hero in months. Finally doing something with Roderick Strong too, with those neat profile videos.

Fun Mark Henry cameo in tonight's Spurs-Rockets Game 2. http://www.cbssports.com/wwe/news/watch-wwes-mark-henry-hits-houston-rockets-mascot-with-steel-chair-during-timeout/

Yeah, Ohno's work, controlling the match and fucking up dudes with elbows, sentons, and kicks, would work better as a heel within the WWE NXT style/.

Difference being that initial JBL push was his promos being built around him being a heel because he's anti-immigrant, pro-capitalist, xenophobic, anti-worker (in the labor sense, not wrestling sense) while it appear's Jinder's promo has WWE attempting to get heel heat on him by doing a promo that was pro-diversity, and talking about being discriminated against.

Maybe not responsibility, but that's a common thing we see in combat sports and isn't just a pro wrestling thing, which is why I get annoyed when Meltzer uses basic stuff like this to act wrestling and MMA are the same thing or whatever. GSP was out there acting like Dan Hardy was a killer with horrifying KO power, when we all knew how limited as fuck he was. Promoters and stars constantly act like lower-level fighters are better than they are. See also Victor Ortiz, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., Tito Ortiz, a bunch of UFC heavyweights, etc. Joe Rogan is the biggest carny color commentator out there, it's pretty embarrassing. Common MMA and boxing tricks as old as time, not exclusive to pro wrestling. But yeah Meltzer's MMA analysis is limited and one-dimensional, he's kinda lucky that the MMA media treats him so nicely and respect him.

I love Matt Riddle the pro wrestler, and think the world of him, but he had several fights in his UFC career where he was the Dolph Ziggler of the promotion, intentionally trying to 'steal the show', hamming it up and it was pretty cringe-worthy at times. Hard to blame him though considering how underpaid UFC fighters are and he was just trying to get a bonus out there.

If we were to go along with this idea, Floyd Mayweather Jr. or Manny Pacquiao should have won "Best Draw" for many years.

People still believe that whole "Royal Rumble winner headlines WrestleMania!" talking point even though there have been NUMEROUS times that's not been true? WrestleMania XXVII even had the Rumble winner, Alberto del Rio, open the PPV and lose the championship match to Edge.

Meltzer's whole "McGregor is the best talker in the game" schtick is so tiresome. If McGregor was a pro wrestler and be cutting those same promos, he and the promotion would (rightfully) win some "Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic" awards. McGregor can't talk without resorting to tired middle school jokes about sex or insults towards ones ethnicity or race. Miz is lightyears ahead of him. Let's not forget he used this line and UFC used it for commercials for Aldo-McGregor: "If this was a different time, I would invade his favela on horseback, and would kill anyone who wasn't fit to work."

Hasn't he referred to him as Dwayne since the mid-2000s, for the most part? I remember Rock being one of the guys that would usually go on the record in the Observer, most memorably when he talked and was quoted in the newsletter when WWE let his contract expire during the mid-2000s.

I thought this was Pro Wrestling Only, not Breitbart or some godawful Reddit forum. Yikes at the last two comments on here.

That's bad, and not trying to defend WWE at all, 'cause they should have had that right, but that's something major outlets continue to get wrong year after year. Even Ken Burns' impressive, 4+ hour documentary on Jackie Robinson, which had so much research and interview put into it, stated that exact same myth. And that aired on PBS last Spring in 2016. It's one of those myths that lingers on, year after year.

Meltzer's comments on race are embarrassing.

Entertaining segment from WCW Monday Nitro but also a commentary about when Latino-led labor movements - in this case, the TV storyline being the LWO uniting together to try to get Latino wrestlers better opportunities and pay in WCW - becomes hijacked by one's ego and machismo. Very few things crush movimentos populares more often than bad leadership. The Guerrero character at the time thought in "I", but by 2004, two days after he won the WWE Championship, he finally realized it was about "we".

The high-end years of 1990 and 1997 for EMLL/CMLL, AJPW, RINGS, BattlArts, the really great stuff in WCW (specifically 1992 and 1994), SMW, PWFG, the best joshi matches, and more depth of all types of footage has me leaning towards the 1990's.

John Cena promo was amazing. So fucking great. Between John Cena, the Miz, and AJ Styles, the promos on this show have been soooo good.

Lol. It's cool if people don't like it or 'get it', but there are so many different styles and forms within lucha libre that that description makes no sense. It's the same shit in certain music circles when I've seen people write of Mexican music all together, when there are so many different styles and traditions.

What does wrestling like a luchador entail or even mean to you? Negro Casas, Mocha Cota, El Hijo del Santo, Perro Aguayo, Brazo de Plata don't wrestle anything like one another, and they are all luchadores.

Probably about a dozen or more reasons, starting at people coming in with preconceived notions on what pro wrestling is and not willing to meet lucha libre where it's at and what it is. Style, language, people like Konnan talking about how there's "no psychology", weird ideas people have about countries (both Japan and Mexico), online discourse and narratives, WCW Nitro, accessibility to footage, bending over backwards to make sense of American and Japanese wrestling but not doing the same for Mexican wrestling, and a bit more all plays into this. Probably some similar reasons why film fans know the works of Kon Ichikawa, Yasujiro Ozu, Akira Kurosawa, Mikio Naruse, and more, and can't name any Emilio "El Indio" Fernandez films from Mexico, and only know Gabriel Figueroa from his American work.

Dave Meltzer describing Cien Almas vs No Way Jose as "essentially it was Kelvin Gastelum vs Jon Jones" is pretty bad and especially bad considering his recent comments about race. His running joke, which started months ago, about Almas and Gastelum looking like one another is so confusing. And now Jose and Jones, none of these guys look anything alike.

Bryan Danielson, Gene Okerlund and Sting entered the WON HOF. Cien Caras was pretty close. EDIT: James McLaughlin is also in.

To people who have been reading the WON this year, what have been some of the better issues to read of 2016? Any good bios, history pieces, etc. that you would recommend? Also getting the Black Friday deal to catch up on stuff I've missed this year.