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Last time one of my friend's saw a WWE PPV was in 2002, after a Ric Flair match. He wasn't the biggest fan, casually watched it, but he just hated whenever Flair would do the 'Flair flip' in the corner. Absolutely hated it and thought it was the phoniest looking thing ever. After Flair-McMahon at the Royal Rumble 2002, it was just too much and I don't think he ever saw another PPV again.

Totally back what Dylan said on Twitter. Even Dave's coverage on MMA stuff, when something regarding race comes up, Dave goes on about the "race card", being so annoyed that people are "making things about race" and he seems to lack any nuance thought whatsoever on the intersection of race and sports. Him being annoyed about racism being brought up, as opposed to those who have had to live their whole lives dealing with it on a 24/7 basis is another clear example of white privilege. It's pretty embarrassing and disappointing. Blaming this on people on Twitter overreacting or being "outraged" is also absurd. Dave is pretty bad when it comes to race, and he gets even worse when you question him about it. That's not a controversial point, at all, and those of us who are stating it aren't being dramatic or whatever.

ADR winning one more 'world title' than Rey does not mean he 'blows Rey out of the water' in kayfabe terms. That's silly. Rey was treated as a upper-midcarder and headliner on SD! for years and years. Rey was even positioned above Dave Batista during Batista title reign in the Summer of 2005.

Also yeah Couture-Toney was a total joke too, but Punk being treated by fans and MMA media in more serious fashion and with more reverence than James Fucking Toney is pretty funny and eye rolling. But whatever, I love MMA but MMA media and its fanbase is so bizzare

Al Madril had a great heel line once about Jose Lothario being a boxer. Someone named JDC posted this once: "I remember Madril had a guest shot on the mic during one of Jose's matches and Al told Steve Stack (or JACK STACK according to Arman) that Jose was a professional boxer. Steve replied "he was a very good, top boxer." Madril said "Yeah, he boxed oranges down in McAllen." Al was always good for a one liner that would put you on the floor."

You're making it sound like anyone who is critiquing the circumstances relating to this fight is just doing it to be hating on Punk or whatever. It's disingenuous and dishonest. I didn't say Rogan was hating on Punk either, at all. I was pointing out that Rogan had critiques as well and that doesn't make him a hater. People can like Punk and think this was bad, as do I. He ended the broadcast with the following (quotes from BloodyElbow): "But it was delusional. That's my feeling. My feeling when I was watching him hit the bag, when I was watching him train, and when I was watching him hit things. It's not like he can't ever learn, but there's a journey as a martial artist, and there's a path that each martial artist [is] on. And different people are on different paths. There's a reason brown belts don't compete with white belts in jiu-jitsu tournaments. It's because it's not fair. And what we saw tonight is not fair." And. "If I had to give CM Punk some advice -- I hate to harp on this -- I'd say fight as an amateur," he said. "Fight people at your level. He wants to do this, he wants to challenge himself, he wants to continue -- God bless him. He's a fun guy. I like him. But this is not the way to do it."

Random nice Tito Santana story. I once told a mutual friend that I wanted to talk to Tito, and literally the next day I got a phone call and on the other end it was "Hi this is Tito Santana, I heard you wanted to talk to me."

There are a plenty of issues, as some that have been brought up already, along with others mentioned elsewhere regarding the athletic commission and Punk's history of injuries. But I guess we are haters for not just happily going along for the ride. I guess Joe Rogan of all people is a hater too.

Why is it pathetic though? I like Punk, spent years buying ROH DVD's to watch his work, and think his feud with Jeff Hardy produced probably the best promo work I've seen of anyone in the WWE in the past eight years. Not coming in as a 'hater' or whatever. People can have nuanced opinions about people, entertainers, sports, etc. This was still a joke of a fight, and there are a dozen reasons to illustrate that.

Ha. I am a fan but I still cringe at some of the stuff I read as a teenager on CM Punk's LiveJournal in the early to mid 2000's.

The thing also is this was a joke fight treated as a serious thing by some MMA media and the UFC. Glad Joe Rogan called it for what it was at the end, but it should have been said sooner. They treated CM Punk in a more serious fashion than they did James Toney, which is absurd and funny. Not to mention, Punk coming in as a millionaire pro wrestling star, acting like he wasn't given this privilege to jump in line, in front of thousands of actual real fighters from all over the world who struggle to make it to the UFC, and then making fun of said fighters for how little money they have in comparison to him, is a bad look. People online trying to do all wild comparisons in either direction, like bringing up Kazushi Sakuraba main eventing PRIDE shows or acting like Punk's some normal, every day guy that reached for the stars is silly as fuck.

Dave's timing seems to be way off in that statement.

Wasn't part of the explanation that Cena was clearly concussed and out of it, from some of the blows he took during the match?

Lol what evidence is in Lesnar's favor? Anyways... Update: Lesnar also failed his UFC 200 in-competition test. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/7/19/12230992/mma-news-brock-lesnar-also-failed-ufc-200-in-competition-drug-test-usada?utm_campaign=bloodyelbow&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Bruce uploaded some of the promo on his Instagram. Looks cool, so excited to see this.

Yeah without the brand split, we probably wouldn't have seen main eventers, Eddy Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Bryan Danielson getting his first shot as heel champion, and random fun stuff like Kendrick/London-Noble/Kash feud, etc. Not to mention, the demographic splits between the two shows, was kinda interesting too. For several years, Smackdown! was the most watched English-language show in, the so-called, 'Hispanic' households.

Well for one thing, it was an epidemic everywhere and it's not like Pat was running around fucking everyone he could. From all accounts he had a long time partner. Can't speak for what exactly Al meant, but I thought he meant that Pat probably had friends, or knew some people that sadly passed away during that traumatizing time period.

Yeah Phil has a point. Seriously, this whole thread just leaves me really confused, on several levels. is JvK poking fun at himself or what?

I'm falling to see how this is "radically progressive". Unless you're a fan of Rachel Dolezal, or this is some joke post.

I was in Austin not too long ago, and I remember walking into a book store. They had some cool books there that I bought, but there was also meeting going on there that I was eaves dropping on. It was about 14 white men, who all looked like they were pretty well off, financially speaking, talking about second-wave feminism. I think one of the issues with a lot of discussion of feminism in professional wrestling online circles is the same thing, is that a lot of the conversation is led by white dudes for white dudes. And like Gray Maynard said once, after an awful fight with Clay Guida, "that shit gets boring". I like a lot of what Ship Canal is saying here, and he is saying it better than I could. Also, we also should recognize that there are other ideological terms out there, like I have plenty of friends that identify as mujeristas or womanists. I guess, I have a different question. What can we do, to get the voices of women or gender queer individuals heard in professional wrestling online circles, without tokenizing them?

Funk's better, cooler, and just gives me all the more positive feels.

Can't be better than the vegetarian picnic burger at Fresh in Toronto. This has to be a troll post. No other explanation. Feeble attempt to compare some tofu bullshit with a Texas burger. Has to be a troll post. Whataburger is the best.

Meltzer has a funny story about this, regarding Survivor Series 1991. According to Meltzer, Hogan legit claimed Undertaker hurt him with that tombstone and 'Taker felt guilty about it. 'Taker then finally saw the video clip, and saw that Hogan's head never even came close to touching the canvas (even as a kid, it was super obvious), and Taker was pretty upset about Hogan making shit up.

Yeah, I've watched pretty much every moment of his career as it happened, and Big Show has never done a moonsault (on TV/video/etc). Also yeah, that story/rumor of him attempting one at the Power Plant (or being capable of doing one) has been around since I first got on the internet in early 1997.

Also, fuck, Teddy Long was super over. I remember seeing him at house shows get some of the loudest pops, and reading that was a consistent thing on house show reports in the WON.