Grimmas

You would be happier if I didn't fuck up the 4th show

2006 list http://z11.invisionfree.com/wrestling_ko/index.php?showtopic=1937

His case is almost entirely post 2006.

John Cena made the top 40, that is good news as well.

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41 - Riki Choshu 2006 Ranking: 100 Points: 5647 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 97 Average Vote: 42.79 High Vote: 8 (GOTNW) Low Vote: 85 Discussion Thread "A wrestler who revolutionized AJPW once and NJPW twice in the 1980's. A great submission wrestler who always wrestled at a great pace. He had one of the best series in wrestling history with Fujinami." Dave Musgrave "Choshu brought that almost unparalleled ability to make everything feel important. Wherever he was seemed to be the eye of the storm in Japanese wrestling. Great tag wrestler, worked with an intensity that made his limited move set irrelevant. As I worked through every last bit of footage from '80s NJ and AJ, I was always excited when I saw his name in a match listing." Childs Recommended Matches: Riki Choshu vs Tatsumi Fujinami (NJPW, 4/3/1983) Riki Choshu & Yoshiaki Yatsu vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Genichiro Tenryu (AJPW, 1/28/1986) Riki Choshu vs Tatsumi Fujinami (NJPW, 1/4/1992)

1 point...

42 - Ted DiBiase 2006 Ranking: 40 Points: 5637 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 110 Average Vote: 49.77 High Vote: 7 Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "I wish we had access to matches from alternate universes so we could see what it would have been like if he had gotten Flair's spot as NWA Champion." Dave Musgrave "I'd highlight five aspects of his work that are generally outstanding: 1. Intensity of offense. 2. Bumping and feeding. 3. Execution. 4. Character work (i.e. in the ring). 5. Involvement in legendary feuds and angles (in and out of the ring)." jerryvonkramer Recommended Matches: Ted DiBiase vs Jim Duggan (Mid South, 3/22/1985) Ted DiBiase vs Ric Flair (Mid South, 11/6/1985) Ted DiBiase vs Tiger Mask II (AJPW, 7/19/1987)

43 - Rick Martel 2006 Ranking: 96 Points: 5636 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 104 Average Vote: 46.82 High Vote: 8 Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "His pre-Model gimmick work is what makes him an easy pick for this list. I like his WWF work as the Model and as a babyface tag team worker too, but it's his AWA work that makes him an all-time great." stunning_grover "Just a remarkable career, starting with incredible babyface runs and ending with an improbable late renaissance in WCW. And The Model stuff isn't THAT bad!" Jon Burr "Perennially underrated with excellent work in many different countries. One of the best babyface wrestlers of all time. I wish his Model run went a little better though..." Dylan Harris "He is thought of as a classic scientific babyface but i think he is underrated for being a great-wrestling big man." Dave Musgrave "phenomenal babyface, think he's been great in 80-81 WWF, and a lot of good performances in the AWA. One of the very best comebacks in the business. Great sense of fire and energy in everything he does. Will potentially finish above Ricky Steamboat. The embodiment of everything I think a babyface should be. Jack Brisco will do well to finish above Martel -- even if Brisco fathered the style that Martel mastered. He was pretty sexy too." Jerryvonkramer Recommended Matches: Rick Martel vs Jumbo Tsuruta (AWA, 5/13/1984) Rick Martel vs Ric Flair (AJPW, 10/21/1985) Rick Martel vs Jake Roberts (Blindfold, WWF WrestleMania VII, 3/24/1991)

Completely disagreed. No way the average fan votes this high for Valentine, Garvin, Martel, Buddy Rose, El Dandy, etc.. How is Lawler still alive? Tamura made top 100. Come on... just because Brock made the list or some shit. I participated a ton and had Brock and Punk on my list too.

44 - Tully Blanchard 2006 Ranking: 57 Points: 5610 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 1 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 109 Average Vote: 49.64 High Vote: 3 (Scarlet-Left) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "As a heel performer he did a lot of cheating, begging off and exaggerated selling. In other words, he was a great classic heel." stunning_grover "One of the ultimate heels of his era and a guy who you knew every time he got in the ring would deliver whether it was against Dusty Rhodes or Buzz Tyler. Tully was one of the best workers in a promotion that was filled with great workers and then when he became a tag-team wrestler with Arn Anderson they formed one of the best teams of the decade." Kris Zellner Recommended Matches: Tully Blanchard vs Ricky Steamboat (NWA Starrcade, 11/22/1984) Tully Blanchard vs Magnum TA (I Quit Cage, NWA Starrcade, 11/28/1985) Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson vs Lex Luger & Barry Windham (NWA Clash of the Champions, 3/27/1988)

Harley Race hasn't appeared yet. Grimmas I'd be curious to hear you give your reasons for hating Harley so much. In his thread your points were basically 1) he does lots of moves 2) he doesn't sell 3) one time he did a piledriver on the floor to S.D. Jones. Does that sum it up or is there more? I have never once watched a Harley match and thought Harley was great. Harley does a lot of big moves and throws a lot of offense which doesn't seem to mean much. He just seems like a go who was all action and no substance. I've watched a bunch of his "classics" and I think they are only classics because he wrestles like a wrestler from the 90s/2000s but in the 70s. I just don't see him as great, nor seen any of his matches as great.

45 - Harley Race 2006 Ranking: 12 Points: 5374 #1 Votes: 1 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 8 # of Ballots: 93 Average Vote: 43.78 High Vote: 1 (Manatee) Low Vote: 97 Discussion Thread "Arguably the greatest NWA World Heavyweight Champion. One of the best American workers of the 1970s. Continued to be a great worker throughout the early 1980s. Still gave fun performances during the mid and late 1980s." stunning_grover "The King of not only 70s wrasslin' but also of the big bumpin' heel style. Enjoyed him much more when he wasn't a touring champion, but his offense and presence were undeniable at no matter what phase of his career one encounters." Jon Burr "I've been plodding through Harley's career on tape in the microscope. I think he's a very easy to watch guy because he worked such an action heavy style. I think he's been a bit unfairly maligned as "the Kurt Angle" of the 70s / early 80s. Near complete wrestler insomuch as he was superb bumping and selling and superb on offense, both things that people can take too easily for granted. If "psychology" means working a body part, it's true that most of the time it's not there. But Harley has other skills, such as making it seem like any opponent no matter how scrub-like has a chance, making babyfaces look like world beaters and still somehow coming out looking like a tough guy. If I have a problem with him it's not that he had no psychology, it's that he worked far too weak, which if nothing else is a real waste of all those big bombs in his arsenal. I hate the bouts vs. Steamboat and Backlund for this reason. Much better when he's allowed proper periods on offense like vs. Martel in 85 and vs. Hogan in 87. Also has great clips vs. Terry Funk and DiBiase, both of whom he had great chemistry with." Jerryvonkramer Recommended Matches: Harley Race vs Jumbo Tsuruta (AJPW, 6/11/1977) Harley Race vs Giant Baba (AJPW, 10/31/1979) Harley Race vs Rick Martel (AWA, 4/20/1986)

All settled. Plans are being formed. First big angle planned. Roster being finalized. All will be ready to go in the next week.

Harley Race hasn't appeared yet.

46 - CM Punk 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (425) Points: 5334 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 3 # of Ballots: 105 Average Vote: 50.22 High Vote: 7 (jpchicago23) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "Punk, Danielson and Joe are like the three musketeers of the indy dream style. Punk has been the most successful of the three at the highest level and I think he will be appreciated even more with time." Dave Musgrave "CM Punk's rise in WWE saved my wrestling fandom after several years of WWE declining in quality." Moonsault Marvin "One of the few wrestlers whose character comes through in almost everything they do in the ring, jumping up several levels beyond what his matches would be otherwise. And, for all the knocks his in ring work takes from a lot of people, there is a pretty solid list of wrestlers who had their best matches against Punk, and I think that might end up being a big part of my voting criteria." Shining Wiz "I ended up having him way, way higher than I thought I would but as I was doing head-to-heads with him and other wrestlers I kept convincing myself that he had the stronger argument. Consistency is pretty clearly his weakest point, and it's one of the things I have found I most look for it, so it was odd to me to see him where I had him in the end. But as I looked at the guys around him I couldn't argue against it. Being able to make me give a shit about his character AND deliver great matches at least a half dozen times in major feuds/storylines over this ten year period is a massive plus to me given where wrestling is right now." Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (ROH, 10/16/2004) CM Punk vs John Cena (WWE Money in the Bank, 7/17/2011) CM Punk vs The Undertaker (WWE WrestleMania, 4/7/2013)

47 - Brock Lesnar 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (143) Points: 5265 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 1 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 110 Average Vote: 53.32 High Vote: 2 (Scott Bernard) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "You know how most wrestling fans view Undertaker matches as must-see, spectacular events? Pssssttt, that's Brock Lesnar's reality. Appointment viewing." Jon Burr "He's one of those guys who has such an aura about him that makes him endlessly watchable. He's an amazing big man who can do so much and give so much. His first WWE run is great, his current run has chock full of superlative matches that look like nothing else in WWE history. He's just something else." Jimmy Redman "His career somehow feels less complete than Han's, though I'm not sure that's right. There's something special about Brock that makes him hard to dismiss, despite the limited weight of his resume. I can't imagine anybody else having those matches with Cena, for example." Childs Recommended Matches: Brock Lesnar vs Eddie Guerrero (WWE No Way Out, 2/15/2004) Brock Lesnar vs John Cena (WWE Extreme Rules, 4/29/2012) Brock Lesnar vs CM Punk (WWE SummerSlam, 8/18/2013)

not ALL about, is a better phrase.

The top ten is not about guys who made their cases in the US, btw.

You can agree or disagree with his point, but its pretty clear that it was not a call for unpredictability. Actually it wasn't clear, because I don't know what a "conservative" list means. Asking for clarification.

48 - Fit Finlay 2006 Ranking: 55 Points: 5216 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 101 Average Vote: 49.40 High Vote: 6 (El Dragon) Low Vote: 97 Discussion Thread "Best wrestler in the world in 2006, which is saying a lot because Bryan Danielson was incredible that year. Master of detail, stiff as fuck, and an awesome mat worker. His indie run provided my 2011 and 2012 MOTYs; both vs Sami Callihan in EVOLVE. I think his post-comeback run was much better than his pre-comeback run , but even then he had awesome matches with Regal on PPV and Benoit on Worldwide/Nitro." Venegas Recommended Matches: Fit Finlay vs Steven Regal (WCW Uncensored, 3/24/1996) Fit Finlay vs Lorenzo (WCW, 3/17/1998) Fit Finlay vs Sami Callihan (EVOLVE, 4/13/2012)

I don't understand this conservative list complaint. What, do you want a Dragon Gate guy in the top 10? Weren't people voting for the GWE, not to make the most unpredictable list possible?

49 - Aja Kong 2006 Ranking: 18 Points: 5085 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 1 Top 10 Votes: 3 # of Ballots: 83 Average Vote: 39.89 High Vote: 3 (anarchistxx) Low Vote: 89 Discussion Thread "My favorite monster heel and an absolute gem on the big stage. I'll never forget her backfist securing that first fall." Jon Burr "A bigger blank spot for me than lucha is all areas of women's wrestling. I'm trying to give it a chance, and two names have quickly convinced me. Aja's my favorite so far." Danish Dynamite "Kong had several good to great matches in the early '90s. The look on her face when she and Bison Kimura got their heads shaved after losing a hair match was one of wrestling's priceless moments." Moonsault Marvin "Aja is the type that I think does better than she should in these types of things because she has an in-ring style that's more accessible for people who don't like Joshi. And there's plenty to like about her for sure - she was an excellent world champion taking on all comers for 2 1/2 years, which is really where the bulk of her case resides. Outside of that, her two-year chase of Bull produced some genuinely great matches and she had one-offs against wrestlers like Satomura, Kyoko Inoue and Yoshida after 1995 that I think were also excellent. I have no doubt she will make my top 100. But I'm not 100% sure she is in the first tier for Joshi. It's possible she is, but she has quite a few annoying habits, the most obvious of which are the crowdhugging brawls and excessive garbage can shots. I don't think Aja as #1 overall in the world of Joshi is a ridiculous idea, but I also hope people who like her on the surface will give some others a chance too." Loss Recommended Matches: Aja Kong vs Bull Nakano (Cage, AJW, 11/14/1990) Aja Kong & Bull Nakano vs Akira Hokuto & Shinobu Kandori (AJW, 3/27/1994) Aja Kong vs Manami Toyota (AJW, 6/27/1995)

Straight up rebuild. That's what I'd prefer, at least. I think so too.

I probably missed a few people who didn't get votes.