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Parv, how can you possibly believe a luchador legend Negro Casas doesn't wrestle like a luchador? Instead of thinking such a ridiculous thing, maybe you should re-evaluate what you think lucha libre is.

Weird, watching this week's lucha and the first trios match I watched included a number of chops and the first fall ended with a vicious head dropping suplex.

Are you comparing a whole super long 83 year history of super diverse wrestling to one wrestler and one company?

The difference being is people who like Memphis and Lucha did not think all the other styles suck, while people who like the other 4 think lucha and sometimes Memphis suck. Why is that? That is why I am trying to figure out.

Wait, there are no suplexes or chops in lucha? Since when?

Just a utterly ridiculous statement. Unless you want to say that about all wrestling.

I've been curious about this topic for a long time. Puro, by most fans, is considered the best wrestling. It's constantly praised above all other wrestling. On the other hand, lucha is just ignored or mocked and gets praise only from really small circles. GWE was a great example where puro dominated things and a luchador couldn't crack the top 10. Does this come down to coverage from places like Dave or that lucha was developed differently, while puro was developed like American wrestling? It's just very odd to me.

It's easily making my top ten matches of the year! Really a treasure of a match. By the way, post match, Galactar proposes to his girlfriend.

Those are some crazy main events! The lucha trios vs NJPW trios sounds amazing.

CMLL "Super Viernes" January 4, 1985 Arena Mexoc 1) Tony Acre y Vulcano vs Kato Kung Lee y Moguro 2) El Solar (captain) y Super Astro y Ultraman vs Jerry Estrada (captain) y Espanto Jr. y Talisman 3) Mexican National Light Heavyweight Title Match: Champion Valente Fernandez (seconded by Gran Cochisse) vs Negro Casas (seconded by Black Terry) 4) Los Brazos (Brazo de Oro (captain) y Brazo de Plata y El Brazo) vs Los Villanos (Villano III (captain) y Villano IV y Villano V) 5) Cien Caras (captain) y Perro Aguayo y Sangre Chicano vs Los Infernales (El Satanico (captain) y MS-1 y Pirata Morgan) Also Paco Alonso will welcome the incoming UWA talent.

Since it's the end of the year, any end of the year awards for 1984? If everybody voted a top 3 list, where you could only have 1 from your promotion on it, I think you would get a fair result.

Seriously how many hall of famers and all time legends do you need?

Holy shit Delta and Galactar killed it with this amazing mascara match. This felt like a real fight with a great atmosphere and crowd. Although it was mostly hate filled, there was some crazy dives too. Such drama, plus broom attacks. If you are making a MOTY list without watching this match, your list will be lacking.

A press release from the CMLL has revealed their new roster after the merger of EMLL and UWA. The technicos will feature two main units, inlcuding: Los Brazos (Brazo de Oro y Brazo de Plata y El Brazo) and Los Caudillos (Sangre Chicana y Mocho Cota y La Fiera). EMLL had a great base of technicos and many will continue with CMLL: Perro Aguayo Cien Caras Atlantis Alfonso Dantes Ringo Mendoza Cachorro Mendoza MSuper Astro Solar Ultraman Tony Acre Vulcano Valente Fernandez Gran Cochisse Hombre Bala Tony Salazar Technicos arriving from UWA include: El Canek (when he is not on tour with NJPW) El Hijo del Santo Popitekus Rookie who is being trained by Ray Mendozza and is working spot shows Miguel perez Jr. will debut at Arena Mexico sometime, when Mendozza feels he is ready. The rudo side is loaded with trios units. Staying on from EMLL is Los Infernales (El Satanico y MS-1 y Pirata Morgan). While Los Missioneros de la Muerte (Negro Navarro y El Texano y El Signo) and Los Villanos (Villanos III, IV, y V) are coming in from the UWA. Rounded out the rudos staying from the EMLL: El Dandy Fuerza Guerrera Emilio Charles Jr. Espanto Jr. Jerry Estrada Talisman Kato Kung Lee Tony Benetto Moguro Coming over from the UWA is: Negro Casas Babe Face Black Terry Blue Panther

I understand and that is probably the most fair for the game, but just wanted to point out the reality. Different companies had deals and they did not work with both. Baba and Inoki would not allow that. Bulldogs wanted to work AJPW and the WWF, but they weren't allowed to do both since WWF had a deal with NJPW. That kind of stuff happened all the time. For the game, we can do whatever you folks want though. As for CMLL, they will deal with NJPW and that is all from Japan. It feels wrong otherwise, for me.

Which in theory is great however you have guys like the Bulldogs who were WWF guys that went to AJPW while the others went to NJPW. Then you have the individuals who we have on our rosters who are touring talents who weren't initially with our promotions back in the 80s. I really think the best thing is what Gordi has done. Plain and simple. He has reached out to us and given us his touring schedule. If Thunderlips does that, he will get the same kind of response and we will give him the talent needed to make his tours special. When Bulldogs went to AJPW, they left the WWF.

I thought in the 80s NJPW and AJPW had deals with certain promotions, like NJPW was with the WWF, while AJPW was with AWA for example. If NJPW and AJPW make deals with certain promotions, that way they could send talent on tours and vice versa.

Anyone who claims the only reason wrestling fans are so negative is because Raw isn't good or too long, read these last few pages.

That one always confuses me. Thanks for the clear explanation. Took me a while of watching every week before I understood that one.

So, two days before the 52nd Anniversary Show in September a 8.0 Earthquake hits Mexico City and the show has to be cancelled the company takes a break for a few weeks, until the building is safe. Any ruling on what I should do about that?

I just realized some people may not understand lucha libre rules. For trios matches, once somebody goes to the outside a partner may enter. No need to tag. All matches are 2/3 Falls. Now, for trios match this is the important part. You only win the fall by either pinning the captain or by pinning the other two members of the team. That is why I listed the captains above. Automatic DQ for a low blow or ripping off the mask. Masks and Hair are more important than titles. Titles defended like once or twice a year and usually champions keep the belts for years. Titles not the big deal, but unmasking or shaving your opponent's head is. Heels=rudos Babyfaces=technicos Those are called such by the fans, and there are rudo fans. Essentially a rudo cheats and has a rougher style, while the technico works a technical and clean style. That's the main things that are different.

That reminds me. If you have a youngster who you are not ready to push, but you want them working? Send them to Mexico, we'll give them a mask and let them work 8 times or so a week in undercard trios matches. When they are ready to go home, they can lose a mask match and head back to your area with a lot more experience and some good money.

What does everybody want to see out of the old stable and solid CMLL? You'll get maybe 3-4 mask matches a year (I'm thinking like one a quarter) and the slow title defenses (like each title twice a year) as a given. I'm thinking of a bigger angle with the UWA rudos, but we'll see. Might be too ridiculous for CMLL. One thing you will get back is the lucha skits! If anybody remembers El Satanico appearing as the King on a chess board or Super Porky dreaming of eating a sandwich, expect a lucha skit on each tv. I hope.

The new era of Arena Mexico will begin on January 4th as Super Viernes returns! Paco Alonso, the new President of CMLL, will be there in person as the world's oldest wrestling promotion rebrands itself. Alonso will also welcome the incoming talent from UWA personal! Two huge trios matches will headline the return of Super Viernes with one featuring the top stars of CMLL and the other featuring the new stars of CMLL. In what could become a wild brawl, as the tehnicos with captain Cien Caras y Sangre Chicano y Perro Aguayo will take on the rudos of Los Infernales consisting of Captain El Satanico y MS-1 y Pirata Morgan. Chicano and MS-1 have had a legendary rivalry in the past and everybody in this contest is known for their brawling. Expect a war. In the other main event, two of the top trios and familia's in Mexico make their way to Arena Mexico as the technico Los Brazos (Captain Brazo de Oro y El Brazo y Brazo de Plata) will meet the rudo Los Villanos (Captain Villano III y Villano IV y Villano V). These two trios have been the talk of UWA and now they will be the talk of Mexico. The technico Mexican National Light Heavyweight Champion Valente Fernández will defend his title against the young upstart rudo Negro Casas. Casas has a lot of confidence and wants to take home a title as he starts the next part of his career. A few more matches will be announced in the next few weeks.

So it wasn't just that you had a great topic, it's that you are an amazing writer? This is right up there with your M-Pro stuff, I hope more of the robot appears, but I'm hooked.