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69 - Blue Panther 2006 Ranking: 32 Points: 3397 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 65 Average Vote: 48.77 High Vote: 7 Low Vote: 96 Discussion Thread "The man I think of when I think of lucha maestro's. I know Black Terry fits that for a lot of people but I have more exposure to Panther and prefer him." Dave Musgrave "The epitome of Lucha mat wrestling for me and really and truly my all time favorite wrestler. His longevity in great matches was what pushed him over the top for me, though I feel #9 might be a tad high to many. Unbelievable grappler and the honorable Blue Panther only needed more opportunities the last few years to move up even higher. " Dylan Harris "Where I've been especially impressed, however, is seeing him in different roles. He's tremendously effective when matched up with someone for a fiery/heated brawl, and almost amazingly so when he's there to do the comedy and shtick and character work, in that Fuerza role. I think he's also wrestled very well as an aged tecnico and transitioned strongly after losing the match to where he puts on strong performances with more emoting even if he's lost some of that mystique." Matt D Recommended Matches: Blue Panther vs Atlantis (CMLL, 8/9/1991) Blue Panther vs Villano V (CMLL, 9/19/2008) Blue Panther vs Solar (12/20/2015)

70 - Yuki Ishikawa 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (174) Points: 3287 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 4 # of Ballots: 54 Average Vote: 40.22 High Vote: 6 (A Stock) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "This is possibly more difficult for me to elaborate on than the other candidates in my top 10. Ishikawa created a wrestling aesthetic as a wrestler and as a booker/promoter/trainer that perfectly captures what I want from pro wrestling. I am talking about Battlarts but Ishikawa's ranking is just as dependent on his work for that promotion as it is for his ideas. As the top star of Battlarts Ishikawa is the straight man against a mash-up of wrestling styles ranging from shoot-style to high flying to garbage wrestling. Ishikawa essentially portrays a classic New Japan style wrestler (with a little shoot style mixed in) toughing it out against a variety of opponents. Some of those wrestlers are great but Ishikawa also excels at carrying rookies, crowbars, and stiffs to great matches. He may not have the deep back catalog of other nominated wrestlers but almost every Ishikawa match is a gem worth watching if you can stomach the violent striking and appreciate good matwork." A Stock "For my money the greatest of all of the greatest promotion's stars, Ishikawa can be summed up with one word: Violence. His series with Ikeda is legendary and he had great matches against every other man he faced. He looked like the best of all time more than anyone I could see although variety in the greater sense isn't a strong suit. Is still amazing today on the rare occasions he mixes it up." Dylan Harris Recommended Matches: Yuki Ishikawa vs Daisuke Ikeda (BattlARTS, 9/1/1997) Yuki Ishikawa vs Alexander Otsuka (Big Mouth Loud, 9/11/2005) Yuki Ishikawa vs Carl Greco (BattlARTS, 6/9/2008)

Exactly. My process was make the best argument for each guy and then compare them. Whoever had the better argument went higher.

One is an egg dish and the other is...

Dick Togo is someone that I need to watch again. Outside of M-Pro I haven't seen anything.

I might have labelled it weird... top 10 vote means (4-10) vote.

WCW it is. been making plans, but one question: ECW Invasion or straight up rebuild?

71 - Dick Togo 2006 Ranking: 98 Points: 3280 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 66 Average Vote: 51.30 High Vote: 12 (stunning_grover) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "One of the best junior heavyweight wrestlers in the world for a period of about 20 years." stunning_grover "An absolute genius of pro wrestling and one of the most talented ever in terms of in-ring skill. He was arguably the MVP of the M-Pro Golden Era, and he quietly racked up a great portfolio of work through the 2000s too." Alan4L "One thing that I think helps his case a lot is that we have good matches of his from nearly every corner of the Earth. You can say "who cares, I care how good someone was where they worked most of the time" and that's fine, but the fact that Togo could have good to great matches in South America, Puerto Rico, the U.S., England, Finland, Germany, Japan, et matters to me because it shows he could (and did) make a go of it anywhere. " Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: Kaientai Deluxe vs Gran Hamada, Masato Yakushiji, Super Delphin, Gran Naniwa, Tiger Mask IV (M-Pro, 10/10/1996) Dick Togo vs Chris Hero (IWA-EC, 4/5/2006) Dick Togo vs Antonio Honda (DDT, 1/30/2011)

Sorry I took so long to post the next reveal. This thread took quite a turn in the in between time. I'll try to space things out better tomorrow.

72 - Brian Pillman 2006 Ranking: 88 Points: 3275 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 1 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 86 Average Vote: 63.06 High Vote: 3 (Mando>Eddie) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread " I thought Pillman's babyface run from 89-92 was a tremendous run, that was hurt by WCW booking incompetence. Still there are few underdog babyfaces I can think of in modern times who I would rate clearly above Pillman from that stretch. Good in both tags and singles, good against big name stars like Flair/Luger or undercard acts like Norman/Rip Rogers, really great/underrated feud v. Windham, tons of fun matches against randoms like Buddy Landell, Scotty Flamingo, et., the Liger matches which I think hold up well, et, et, et. I don't think he was ever the same after he went heel, though he had good matches at that point too, and even as late as 95 could occasionally blow you away with something massive." Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: Brian Pillman, Sting, & Steiner Brothers vs Horsemen (War Games, WCW WrestleWar, 2/24/1991) Brian Pillman vs Jushin Liger (WCW SuperBrawl II, 2/29/1992) Brian Pillman vs Johnny B. Badd (WCW Fall Brawl, 9/17/1995)

This is a pretty unsupported and indefensible statement, by a fellow Canadian no less. Jericho probably isn't one of the top 100 because of his lack of consistency over the years, but he did a lot of good stuff over the years which outweighs the bad. Also, I think people are overlooking his genuinely awesome work on the mic. Dumb in a wrestling sense, not as a person.

are you comparing two ppv matches (one being Wrestlemania) vs a Raw main event in hour 3 of a show with almost no prep time? Yeah Sami has been disappointing on the main roster, it is a point. My response was more to Jericho still knowing how to work comment.

Does he? He's taken the best wrestler in the world and made him just decent.

After your Hogan posts that is hilarious. Not really. The idea that Hogan all of sudden is a great worker is a total product of Post-Benoit-Workrate-Guilt. Jericho was considered a really good worker for most of his career, with ups and downs. The "Jericho sucks" stuff just comes from nowhere. And it's not like I'm a big fan. He ranked in 2006, so thinking he's great is not entirely new. I never said Jericho sucks, just that he's maybe a top 200 guy.

I love this, btw

He was the next guy brought up that people were dreading how high he would go. Also lots of people were whining about taking him off their ballots after Mania (joking, i'm sure, but yeah). I think he's way too high to be honest and doesn't even belong in top 100.

After your Hogan posts that is hilarious.

73 - "Y2J" Chris Jericho 2006 Ranking: 84 Points: 3220 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 71 Average Vote: 55.65 High Vote: 16 (BackToBionic) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "A wrestling craftsman who loves to sink his teeth into an angle and meld character, story, promo and match together into an opus. Really good TV worker, and versatile as hell between face and heel, singles and tags, main events and midcard, comedy and serious, young lion and ageing vet. Very long, varied and deep career. " Jimmy Redman "I think Jericho is the prototype for his generation, learning his craft journeyman-style and having the huge scene of the late 90's ready for him to explode. I feel he continues to be up there with anyone even today when he is at his best." Dave Musgrave "Good high-flyer, fired up babyface as a young wrestler. Developed into a great heel. Very diverse set of opponents." cubbymark Recommended Matches: Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (WCW Fall Brawl, 9/14/1997) Chris Jericho vs Shelton Benjamin (WWE Taboo Tuesday, 10/19/2004) Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (WWE Bash, 6/28/2009)

Lengths of awesomeness played a huye factor there.

That is one of the best posts I have ever read. Jericho is one of those people who thinks they are really intelligent, but are actually really dumb.

A lot of talk of Hogan only being over due to "AMERICA!" and the time period. Canada is not America and is pretty damn different. However, Hogan was super over there as well. Maybe even having a longer last appeal.

#73 is next. I expect some big discussion coming from that posting, so I will wait an hour. Get your Atlantis discussions going. By the way, love that Atlantis is higher than 2006 and that he is one above Hogan.

Tim, fair assessment. To be fair I am cherry picking the best Tanahashi and that doesn't work for me, because I don't think he's very good. However, maybe with watching every show he might stand out more as an elite all-timer.

74 - Atlantis 2006 Ranking: 94 Points: 3197 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 68 Average Vote: 54.04 High Vote: 6 (Frankensteiner) Low Vote: 95 Discussion Thread "Atlantis continues to have good matches in his long career and is one of the better trios wrestlers." Moonsault Marvin "One of the best babyfaces, flyers, and big match workers ever. " Elliott "As far as luchadors go I am big on Atlantis. He is just sooooo pretty. It's one of those occasions when pure mechanical talent matters a great deal to me, because his high flying and smoothness in the ring is amazing, I could watch him fly through the air for days. He's everything I want out of a masked tecnico." Jimmy Redman "He was a talented rookie when he first started getting put into a position where he could have great matches. The thing is that the great matches frequently involved tremendous wrestlers. When you watch Atlantis vs Satanico it's easy to imagine that he was some sort of prodigy but if you watch his match against El Faraón he looks exposed. El Faraón was a good wrestler in his own right but his leash on Atlantis wasn't as tight. Atlantis has moments of brilliance in that match but his hammy selling and awkward crowd interaction is too much for me. In the late 80s he really put it together. His selling became more subtle and his appeals to the crowd were a bit more assured. On top of that his offense became truly spectacular. He has some impressive flying offense in his 1983 tag with Santo but the stuff he was doing in 1988 was so much more precise. He's a great trios worker during this time but I wish I could see more of his singles performances. His 1988 match against Emilio Charles Jr. is a great workrate lucha match. In the 90s he toned down the highflying and improved his matwork. He was also lucky enough to have a number of programs against some of the greatest wrestlers of all time. His matches against Blue Panther and Villano III in particular are classics. I think I'll need to revisit some of his rudo stuff from the 2000s. I remember liking that heel turn match against Santo but I'm not sure if anything else holds up." Graham Crackers Recommended Matches: Atlantis vs Blue Panther (CMLL, 8/9/1991) Atlantis vs Villano III (CMLL, 3/17/2000) Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero (CMLL, 9/19/2014)

A bias that thinks he's not a good wrestler. That's not a bias. No, a bias with regards to thinking one way without having actually gone through the material (in this case, matches) before making a conclusion. Conclusions don't matter if they aren't well informed. It's the old jdw line when responding to a "opinions can't be wrong." "It's my opinion that Andre the Giant was the greatest flying wrestler ever." It does make me laugh when a LOT of the complaints about styles of wrestling and individual wrestlers are not present in Tanahashi's performances yet not discussed in depth, but most people tend to be on one end of the spectrum or the other. He's amazing (Meltzer, etc.) or he stinks, which is something I have definitely been guilty of in the past. Like I said, I didn't have Tanahashi on my list and would be perfectly fine if I never saw another match of his, but there is validity in digging a little deeper. I have watched a TON of Tanahashi