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Just a reminder, final part comes out Saturday! Then... a new roundtable in a few months? Maybe, do people want more of these things?

I'm still amazed that a wrestling company can have an entire crowd chanted to fire somebody who doesn't even appear on screen and just brush it off. The whole crowd wanted Russo gone, yet they kept with him. Now, if he was great and you did that maybe... but it was Vince Russo.

WCW did quite well with more titles than the WWE currently has. It's not about reducing or increasing the belts, it's about booking then well.

Those damn shambles. If he didn't do them I could still be watching WCW Worldwide from Disney/MGM. Which in its early days before Nitro was quite entertaining. What are you talking about? Those shows were awesome after Nitro debuted. Random luchadores and other guys. So much fun.

Fall Brawl "War Games" Civic Center in Asheville, NC September 17, 1995 Tony Schiavone, Dusty Rhodes & Bobby Heenan welcome us to Fall Brawl. They talk about War Games and Arn-Flair later tonight. 1. Brian Pillman vs Johnny B. Badd (Top Contenders Match for US Title) *Pillman pins Badd in 19 minutes to become get a US Title shot against Sting tomorrow night on Nitro. *Gene Okerlund interviews Flair backstage talking about his match tonight! 2. Craig Pittman vs Cobra *Pittman propels from the ceiling and sneaks attacks Cobra. He locks on the Code Red and makes Cobra submit in a minute. *Backstage Paul Ondorff is interviewed about his recent loss to Randy Savage. Orndorff has re-evaluated his career and and has re-focused. He will return to the ring tomorrow night and show an all new Paul Ondorff which will return his winning ways. 3. Eddie Guerrero vs Dean Malenko *Eddie hits the Frog Splash to pin Malenko after 14 minutes. *Hulk Hogan, Sting & Randy Savage are backstage with Gene Okerlund. Hogan promised a fourth member for War Games last monday and he trusted Sting to find him someone trustworthy. Instead he brought out Lex Luger. Hogan will allow Luger on the team, but he doesn't trust him and he knows Luger is after his title. Gene points out that he got word from the Dungeon of Doom that Zodiac is replaced by Big Bubba. Hogan, Sting & Savage say that it doens't matter who is on the team, but they will get their hands on Sullivan tonight. 4. WCW Tag Team Champions Bunkhouse Buck & Dick Slater w/ Robert Fuller vs Harlem Heat w/ Sister Sherri *About 11 minutes into the match, Fuller hits on Sherri and they kiss. This costs Buck & Slater the titles. Post match Okerlund catches up with the losers and Fuller seems to care more about Sherri than the titles. *A highlight video recapping the complete history of Arn & Flair going back to the beginning. 5. Arn Anderson vs Ric Flair *A few minutes into the match a large point of the roster comes to ringside to watch the match. Arn Anderson hits a DDT in about 28 minutes after Pillman had jumped on the apron and caused Flair to attack him. *Promo videos for the main event are played recapping the past. 6. Hulk Hogan & Randy Savage & Sting & Lex Luger vs Big Bubba Rogers & Shark & Sabu & Meng w/ Kevin Sullivan (War Games) *Sabu and Savage start and they have a wild brawl that lasts the entire match. Dungeon of Doom wins the coin toss. Big Bubba enters next, followed by Sting, Shark, Hogan and Meng. Hogan's team is being beat down and Luger enters. He goes right after Shark and gets him in the Torture Rack for the win. He makes the title belt motion and points at Hogan then leaves. Since Hogan's team wins he gets 5 minutes with Kevin Sullivan. 7. Hulk Hogan vs Kevin Sullivan *Sullivan tries to run away but Sting stops him and throw him into the ring and locks the cage. Savage and Sabu's brawl continues. Sabu is able to put Savage through a table. Sting chases off the rest of the Dungeon of Doom while Hogan goes to work on Sullivan. After a minute The Giant comes to ringside and rips the door off the cage. He enters the ring and stares down Hogan. He gives him a kick and then choke slams him through the ring. The show ends with Sullivan and The Giant celebrating while Hogan is laying in a whole. Paramedics rush the ring.

WCW Monday Nitro Knight Center in Miama, FL September 11, 1995 The show opens with Eric Bischoff, Dusty Rhodes & Steve McMichael recapping last week's debut episode. Tonight Sabu debuts! Tonight Scott Norton & Mike Rotundo form a new tag team. Over the weekend Kamala was kicked out of the Dungeon of Doom for his loss on Nitro, while Vader has gone AWOL and is out of War Games as well. Both Hogan and Sullivan have claimed they will name their new forth members tonight. 1. Sabu vs Alex Wright Dusty Rhodes puts over that Sabu is the nephew of the Original Sheik. Sabu wins in about 6 minutes. Post match he puts Wright through a table. As Sabu points to the ceiling the lights go out and when they come back on the Dungeon of Doom are in the rign with Sabu. They all do the point together as it appears Sabu has joined the Dungeon of Doom! After commercial Eric, Mongo and Dusty react to Sabu joining Sullivan and what a vicious team this has become. Gene Okerlund brings Ric Flair to ringside where he gives an interview about the Arn Anderson match at Fall Brawl. 2. Scott Norton & Mike Rotunda vs Sgt. Buddy Lee Parker & Lt. James Earl Wright A Total squash by Norton and Rotunda. A video hyping the upcoming WCW Cruiserweight division with clips of Eddie, Liger & Malenko. 3. Sting & Randy Savage vs. Shark & Zodiac w/ Kevin Sullivan & Big Bubba Rogers Sting makes Zodiac submit. Big Bubba comes out with Sullivan. Gene tries to get words with Sullivan, but Bubba pushes him down. After the match a wild brawl ensues. Meng and Sabu join the Dungeon of Doom while Hogan comes out. As the Hogan team is getting put down Lex Luger comes out and saves Sting. Hogan looks confused as the show ends. Bischoff plugs the fall out of Fall Brawl on next week's show plus the winner of Johnny B. Badd & Brian Pillman will take on the US Champion Sting on next week's show.

Russo would had never booked that finish, because it was logical and entertaining and emotional. If he booked it there would had been nods to the booker and to it being fake and it would had killed NXT. Fuck him.

The casual television viewing audience would absolutely scoff at this show. And, I don’t care it you give it SEVEN MILLION stars—it would never draw on a national level and that’s all that matters. And, if these young kids aren’t going to draw HERE—they certainly aren’t going to draw THERE. Personally, I don’t care how the finish of the match was booked because I simply don’t care enough. Whoever is in charge hasn’t made me care enough. Today [the finish] will be all right because it was NXT. Many will even try to make sense out of actually STOPPING a fight that wasn’t REAL to begin with. It’s called “the spin”? How you chose to make something look either “good”, or “bad” depending on your preference, or opinion. Well, here’s my spin on the finish of last night’s man event match between Sammy Zayn and Kevin Owens. Ready? Good. IT SUCKED. Vince Russo is the worst. He knows nothing about wrestling at all. Everything he booked is shit. Every opinion he has is shit. I fucking hate him. He ruined me watching the WWF. He ruined WCW. He ruined TNA and he ruins everything he touches. Fuck him.

WCW Monday Nitro Mall of America @ Minneapolis, MN September 4, 1995 The show opens with Eric Bischoff, Steve McMichael & Dusty Rhodes at ringside welcoming us to the debut episode of Nitro! 1. Jushin "Thunder" Liger vs Eddie Guerrero Liger pinned Eddie at round the 7-minute mark with a roll up out of a wristlock; after the bout, the two shook hands and hugged. Ric Flair is backstage and gives a promo on Sting about taking the US Title and that things are patched up with Arn and he will be in his corner. 2. WCW World Television Champion The Renegade vs Diamond Dallas Page w/ Max Muscle & Diamond Doll DDP pinned the Renegade in a few seconds after hitting the Diamond Cutter at the opening bell two win the TV Title. A video backage hyping up the debut of Sabu next week plays! 3. WCW United States Champion Sting vs Ric Flair w/ Arn Anderson Lex Luger walked out at about 12 minutes. Sting confronted Luger. At this point Arn confronted Flair. Both men were counted out. Scott Norton and Mike Rotunda cut a promo backstage talking about their debut as a tag team next week. Rotunda takes a shot at the IRS gimmick. 4. WCW World Chmpion Hulk Hogan vs Kamala Hulk Hogan pinned Kamala in 6 minutes with a body slam and leg drop. After the match the Kevin Sullivan, The Zodiac & Shark attacked Hogan. Sting & Savage came out and chased them off leaving Hogan alone. Lex Luger then walked down the aisle and pointed to the World Title as the show went off the air.

I was really enjoying booking the WWE at the start of the year, but I hated how shitty the WWE was doing! I got so annoyed at their booking of the Rumble, that I quit. It was fun though, so I wanted a new project. I really enjoyed lots of parts of WCW from the beginning of Nitro till it's closing date. However there was a LOT of issues. What I am going to do here is do my spin of WCW. A lot of the main stuff will stay in place with maybe a slight twist. There will be some major changes though, as I see fit. However nWo, Sting-Hogan at Starrcade will remain in tact. I'm not changing everything, just having some fun in a realistic manner.

Episode 4 is up now! http://placetobenation.com/pwo-ptbn-roundtable-top-100-matches-to-watch-before-you-die-4-of-5/

Roman Reigns was always going to bomb on the live crowd. He is nowhere near ready for the main event scene. Im not a Reigns hater but if he the supposed god saviour of WWE for the next decade pushing him now to the main event scene is the wrong thing to do. Some of the decisions WWE come up with is crazy considering the fans are the ones who make a wrestler. Maybe in the future they do a voting system. Let the fans vote for who should win the Rumble. We all know its pre determined well us adults do so there be no harm in us voting for who we want to win. Please stop posting while drunk. Whats wrong with a voting system? Least then the fans get what they want. Ive seen plenty of fans crap on a match because their favourite didnt win. This place doesn't need gimmick posters. Grow up or go away. I really dont see how my comment is in need of growing up or going away. There are plenty of sulky fans at the moment just because their fav didnt win. Dont really see how you can warrant a post like that. What is so wrong with a voting system because at the end of the day the fans would get what they want. A voting system?????? Could you imagine watching a movie and we vote whether the good guy wins in the end or not? NO? BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING MORONIC!

This one is close. What is funny about this whole thing is that there is like 25-50 guys that you could argue are better than Arn. I named twenty, but I could had named a lot more. Parv is just being silly. As for Tully vs Arn, I could be swayed either way. I prefer Arn due to like the role he played better than the role Tully played most of their careers. Arn is more serious, while Tully is more silly.

Thanks for the feedback, it's always fun to get together with Marc & Glenn. We have talked and after N2R '98 we will add in the year in review type shows that Parv & Chad do. 1998 will follow N2R and then the other previous years will be mixed in as we go along.

Can he retire already?

Edge always seemed like a guy who could have great feuds with anyone except the Matt Hardy angle when that spat happened. I loved all the matches these two had but after he whole Lita/Edge thing when they battled on Raw something just wasent there. Yeah, that Kane feud was freaking great, eh? I can't even think of one great Edge feud, let alone all of his feuds being great.

Well based off that gif it didn't exactly look like Hunter had more than a split second to react. Not enough time to say, "Hey, a bad wig!" Why not just hire Jeff Farmer to play a bogus Sting on TV? If Steve Borden is limited due to his contract just do some fake Stings from a distance to keep the character on TV. "As of late 2010, Farmer is project manager of a research program known as GEAR (Genetics, Exercise, and Research) at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine. The program aims to identify how "people's genetic background influences their response to physical activity" Also using fake Stings to pretend Sting is there is silly. Fake Stings work as a tease, not as a substitute.

http://placetobenation.com/pro-wrestling-super-show-ecw-heat-wave-98/ Host: Steven Graham Guests: Marc Clair (Lions of Liberty) & Glenn Butler (Wednesday Walk Around the Web) The ECW crew is back going through all of the pay-per-views. We stop on the very famous Heat Wave ’98 this week. Does it live up to the hype?

Shit the more I watch the more difficult this will be. The top heap is still Funk, Hansen, Flair, Lawler, Jumbo & Kawada with Santo, Bret and Rey Jr. pushing up there. Maybe even El Dandy and Satanico the more I watch. Fuchi is now on my list, thanks to the 90's stuff. More minis will be added as well as some ECW guys. Scorpio and Tajiri are locks, but Bigelow, Sabu and Bubba Ray are guys I'd consider. My question remains, how high can I put Dustin Rhodes. I think I will be the high voter on him, but how high can I go?

I'm not going to go with Arn, but definitely the Regal match. As for Kid, off the top of my head for singles matches: vs Jerry Lynn (PWA, 5/17/91) vs Wellington Wilkins Jr. (PWA, 6/10/91) vs Sabu (NWA, 4/17/93) vs Bret Hart (WWF Raw, 7/11/94) and probably another Lynn match, but there is too many to chose from. I think those matches are as good as the best Arn singles matches, probably even better.

See the thread for the latest WTBBP. My argument for Waltman is that he is the greatest wrestler ever at timing high spots. His selling was absolutely top notch. Had an amazing move set and was great in a variety or roles. Arn is great, but was more steady while Waltman brings the variety. It's not a blow away win for Watlman, but I think it's damn close. Also he was pretty awesome from 1990 to 2002. That's not that short.

Fuck off no! Best wrestler ever at timing hope spots.

Jumbo Trusuta Ric Flair Stan Hansen Terry Funk Mitsuharu Misawa Toshiaki Kawada Bret Hart Nick Bockwinkel CM Punk Daniel Bryan Rey Mysterio Goldust Greg Valentine Steven Regal Genichiro Tenryu Jerry Lawler Jushin Liger Negro Casas Randy Savage Ricky Steamboat 1-2-3 Kid

The problem is that Vince was so stupid that he didn't want to go with Bryan after what happened last year and had to cave again. Everybody knew Bryan was the right choice in the beginning.