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    2019 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Since I didn't see any discussion here for it, I wanted to make a thread about this year's Hall of Fame ballot for people who actually care about it and ballots are due on October 20th. As a joshi fan, I'm happy and surprised that Meiko Satomura is finally on the ballot and maybe opens up for other workers like Kyoko Inoue to maybe get on the ballot. Here is the ballot for people that haven't seen it. I basically took this from Steve Yohe's post Wrestling Classics.
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    Current Joshi Talk

    Bumping this thread cause a lot has changed since the summer. Arisa Nakajima vs Nanae Takahashi hair vs hair match is the Joshi MOTY, imo. Urge everyone to check it out. https://youtu.be/ha88PB4hLQw
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    2019 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    Here are some public ballots I found via twitter, a lot of these people part of the board. https://twitter.com/br26/status/1185281658653532160 https://twitter.com/GreatBrianLast/status/1185992204231282694 https://twitter.com/GAtsaves/status/1186613245450301440 https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1185847184979382272 https://twitter.com/DylanWaco/status/1186017236290625537 https://twitter.com/RyanClingman/status/1185171740990812160 https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics/status/1186130488030687232 https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1185799322086105089 https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1185893999548211201 https://twitter.com/therealfredo/status/1184875755307597825?s=21 https://twitter.com/joegagne/status/1184867947803750400?s=21 https://twitter.com/hamlin37/status/1179132220017201153
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    2019 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame

    I've been scraping attendance numbers from WrestlingData and eventually I put up with what I found but she doesn't look like a big draw per say but a difference maker whenever a company needed a boost. That 2000s Japan era was down as a whole and now we're seeing the effects of it in terms of talking about how workers stack up in a historical sense whether it's Satomura, Akiyama, Nagata, etc. I lean towards her being a work candidate which should be enough as she's in the discussion of whether she's the greatest women's wrestler of all time. Only other ones that I can think of that would have claims to that are Jaguar, Toyota, Bull, Aja, Devil, Hokuto and Chigusa - all of them are the Observer Hall of Fame. I think Tim's point of Meiko working more obscure promotions are valid as Dave stopped covering joshi once everybody splintered off into their own promotions but your point about the European fanbase is valid too. As more younger Europeans get more ballots, I think they will see her as a legend type not just cause her recent stuff but also seeing her on The Wrestling Channel as a lot of her high profile matches in GAEA used to be shown there. Plus the Mae Young Classic run helped a lot too as the WWE fans got to see her the first time and she might have another run with them too.
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    Joshi Wrestling Dates Back to The 1930s

    Looks like you're right in terms of Sumo. Here's a follow up from Juan
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    Joshi Wrestling Dates Back to The 1930s

    Found out this morning that Joshi might have started way before the 1950s. Juan Nunez from Reddit found this out.
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    Current Joshi Talk

    I implore everybody to go watch the new Sead show that aired on Samurai TV. It's the opening round of their single's title tournament and every tournament match delivers. Nanae vs Hiroyo might be my joshi MOTY. I just love that it was just hoss fights up and down this show. Also Ayako Hamada did an interview with Mas Lucha tv and it's on Youtube now. She's back in Mexico but didn't talk about the drug arrest. She's hinting towards wrestling again but only in Mexico now. The interview goes around 50 minutes but a lot of luchadores like Ricky Marvin, Lady Shani, Martha Villalobos came throughout the interview to talk and support her. Seemed like it was when a friend comes home from jail bid type of vibe. I wish I knew more Spanish to know more about the interview but Microman Fever on twitter filled in the gaps a lot.
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    Mae Young Classic 2018 thread

    Alex and Heidi aren't super workers by any means but they're better than some of these women in the tournament for sure. Heidi is still learning but Alex Lee got brought back to for this MYC, people would be praising her right now. Same with Kris Wolf if they brought her in. Just look at last year with Viper as I saw a lot of joshi fans would crap on her years before but when the rest of the wrestling fan audience saw her in the MYC, she got a heap of praise. Tessa Blanchard is another example as she improved a lot after she did a tour with Stardom as she worked a typical WWE style before. You're right that most of the mediocre women won't become super workers with Japanese training (i.e. Chelsea Green and Xia Brookside) but it seems to help.
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    WWE Evolution

    I had tepid excitement when the PPV was announced but I feel validated in being tepid. I will watch show but i have the feeling that only the MYC Finals and NXT Women's Title match will be the only good things on the show.
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    Mae Young Classic 2018 thread

    I didn't want to even hint to this on Twitter because it would start WWIII on Wrestling Twitter but it's true. Every Japanese woman wrestler that WWE has employed (even we can even date back to the 80s with the JBAs) has been head and shoulders above the rest of the women in ring. I heard Jeff Hawkins joke on STR that they should make the women in the PC sign waivers and go to another dojo where Meiko, Io and Kairi can train them in any way to get them to be badasses in ring. I know women's wrestling in North America hasn't had the space like Japan has in terms of the abundance of women's wrestling in that country and I know that SDR and Sarah Stock are helping them change that but there's a common thread in what people are praising who are watching the tournament.
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    WON HOF 2018

    I'm curious who makes up the pool of Japanese based voters (even the Mexican based voters as well) if Fredo doesn't have a vote. I'm stating the obvious that the Observer HOF is flawed but there's more problems to it than ever before.
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    Introducing ... Charting the Territories

    I can't wait to read this. I'm guessing the SPOT formula is just the average of the match placement over time?
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    WON HOF 2018

    I find that hard to believe cause I swear I remember Dave talking about putting Rocky Johnson back on the ballot years ago cause he looked through research about him during his time in San Francisco .
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    WON HOF 2018

    Yeah. According to Mookieghana's site, she's never even been on the ballot. https://sites.google.com/site/chrisharrington/won_hof_ballot_results
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    WON HOF 2018

    I personally don't like how Dave have stopped putting joshi wrestlers on the ballot. I honestly don't care if they don't get in but the least he can do is put them on the ballot to make voters to think for a second. Meiko Satomura, Dynamite Kansai, Mayumi Ozaki, Megumi Kudo, Shinobu Kandori, Kyoko Inoue, and LCO have never been on even been on the ballot which is bafflingly to me.
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    Is Negro Casas finally washed up?

    I'll add that's the Aramis match was good too and the Ricky Marvin match was good but not great. I personally think age is finally catching up with him. The last great match he had IMO was the Volador Jr Hair match from 2016 where he took that's nutty sunset flip bump to the outside. Then he took time off to get surgery for his hemorrhoids. I just chalk it up as age.
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    Greatest Match Ever Project

    Just signed up for the board and can't wait to dig in the project.
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    Dave Meltzer stuff

    I didn't know him and Vader were friends to the point that he would invite him out to eat in Japan and gave him the tickets for Mania 12. I did a double take when I heard that in terms of favorable coverage but Vader didn't need it cause he was awesome in ring to begin with.
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    RIP Vader

    It's funny cause I remember his speech more than Hansen's. Shame that the WWE waited and didn't induct Vader sooner. His WCW run is the model to book a monster heel in the modern era. He was flat out amazing and will truly be missed.
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    Current Joshi Talk

    I have to rewatch it again cause I didn't think it was a great match at all. It just felt hollow to me especially coming off the 2/3 falls tag that was really good.
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    Current Joshi Talk

    Wave Network and BJW Core are neck and neck in terms of the worst from what I've heard.
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    Current Joshi Talk

    The 4/19 show is a must see for fans of Joshi or fans are having an interest but don't know how to jump into watching it. But some bad news today as Ayako Hamada vacated the title as she was supposed to defend it against DASH Chisako. Sendai Girls official statement was that she was in "poor physical condition" and handed the title back to the Senjo office. Hope she gets better.
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    Current Joshi Talk

    The Viper/Jungle and Toni/Mayu matches didn't disappoint to me on the 4/1 show. I like the story they are telling with Jungle with her being able to hang with the top women but not get over the hump. It's gonna so satisfying when she finally wins a singles title or a tournament. I told Grimmas on Twitter that Mayu was selling Toni's piledrivers like Toni became Lawler in Memphis. Great job making Toni look like a world champ.
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    Current Joshi Talk

    The new dojo looks like the old kickboxing place they used to train at before but I could be wrong. I know the ZERO 1 dojo is closing so that's why Stardom moved but also Sonny (Stardom English Rep) said on Reddit that subscribers picked up once they partnered with ROH. Take that for what it's worth.
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    Current Joshi Talk

    I felt the same that it was just a spectacle but I've seen a lot of people on Twitter rave about the match. I will rewatch it but it felt that Io came off as the star of the match instead of getting Tam over.
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