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The old garbage/ECW fan in me could have enjoyed that, but really it was Gage getting thrown through a bunch of tables while looking stiff as a rod and making a comeback from nowhere and winning after only one table spot. So yeah, nothing match, and Nick Gage is a complete waste of my time. No charisma (yeah, he does look a bit like Ron Pearlman, so what ?), shitty work. Next.

WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH ? It's 2018 and a 50 years old Quebecer Pierre/jean Pierre Lafitte just had a top 5 match of the week-end. There's too much sheer insanity in this to go into details, but it was not all about that either, as it told a really cool story with WALTER the young monster treating PCO with a patronizing arrogance, only for the old Quebec fuck to make a TerryFunkesque comeback, execute some ridiculous butt-ugly yet super impressive spots, while doing a Kobashi tribute (both in choping WALTER down to size and sporting a... purple/black chest). Where has Pierre Carl Oulette been all these years ? This has to be one of the all-time post-50 years old performance ever. Great match. (and for the old Jean Pierre Lafitte fan that I am, cool as shit, I legit marked out several times during this)

Yeah, but you also love Spike Dudley. (best booked I dunno, maybe, but it was pretty fucking poor in term of in-ring work with only the main event being quite good)

And in my case, the "Pète-lui la gueule !" (Fuck him up!) call by Christophe Agius was a highlight of the show.

This. That being said, Nicholas was less a disapointment than Big Cass would have been... And it will end up being a reference for future gags and ironic chants, so I guess there's that.

... on the biggest show on the year in a match that was build toward "who is gonna be the surprise partner of Braun ?". WCW level stuff, just like Roman's promo on RAW.

The thread was derived from me saying the ladder match at Takeover was the most overrated 5 stars match from Meltz canon.

This was my original thought the first time around. I thought it was a great way to introduce newer fans to Japanese pro-wrestling and that it wasn't that great. I re-watched it a month ago and I totally lost it. I thought it was unbelievable. That's also exactly what I thought when I watched it back then. It was also the first time I saw Joe, so probably not the best introduction. Now that I'm familiar through years of TNA, I wonder if my perception would be different too... Don't give me the urge to go through these "5 stars" matches for the sake of it...

From what I've seen of Gage, he's a complete nothing worker, *at best* (ok, he's just bad and he doesn't even have anything look-wise apart from being ugly), so that's not exactly setting my world on fire. Style Battle was everything indieriffic about indie wrestling. Worst show of the week-end thus far although Riddle is always fun (good match vs Anthony Henry). There was no one in the crowd either, which seems fitting.

I forgot that one got 5 stars. Yeah, totally WTF choice even back then. Like I said in the original thread from which this one is derived, the ladder match at Takeover appears to me as the most overrated 5 stars Meltz match ever, since to me it was complete junk. Haven't rewatch the Tiger vs Dyno match in forever. It's overrated, but it's still good. I'm sure some indy clusterfucks that got the 5 stars treatment are up there.

This one won't age well. Not that it was any good or even fun last week (the "We want Nicholas" chants during Roman vs Lesnar were), but in the grand scheme of things, this is Judy Bagwell level of stupid. Again, I think it gets a pass, somehwat (as in "it was a cute Mania Momenttm"), because it's WWE. Same stuff happening on Nitro in 1999, it would be a complete laughing stock and a token "WCW sucked" moment.

Junk ? I just can't stand these matches were there isn't even an effort to make you think the guys are trying to win. Or where every damn overcomplicated spot is carefully set-up. Give me the Eliminators vs Sabu & RVD, it was sloppy as fuck but you were getting the feeling it actually was complete chaos with people doing completely stupid shit. This was the self-conscious epic of MITB stuntfest. Plus I didn't get the feeling there was any reason for these guys to fuck up each other like they did, which is another reason it felt useless. I thought it was the worst way to showcase Ricochet's debut. He was immediately turned into a Jeff Hardy-like worker. Well, whatever, this match really put me in a bad mood at the beginning of the NXT show. Can't think a of recent match I hated more.

It was never the plan if you believe Bruce Prichard. The original plan for Mania was Micheals vs Jannetty, but Jannetty was fired just after the Rumble.

That ladder match is officially the most overrated match ever in the Meltz canon then. To me it was the usual, MITB-style useless stuntfest garbage. And then it's odd Almas vs Black didn't get the 5*stars treatment then. Not that I care one bit, but considering Meltz tastes, I don't see how Gargano vs Ciampa was that much better (I actually like Almas vs Black more as a pure pro-wrestling match without WWE drama, which the Gargano match had, only done perfectly so it didn't matter).

*wink wink nudge nudge*

Joe was already a really strong promo in TNA by the time he finally got the title. The guys speaks real. He's a total 80's NWA call-back. Since it was mentionned (but I can't find where), yes, Roman Reigns "shooty-shooty" promo on RAW was absolutely Russo circa 2000 shit. "Vince did not smartened me up ?" is right up there with "What are they gonna do, improvise ?". And about guys having no real issue and just be happy to "make history" and "be part of the Universe", there's also this idea that if you get fired from WWE, you basically fall into poverty. Because these guys aren't super-athetes and superstars who wins a shitload of money. They just are WWE employee who are afraid to lose their job and who really aren't stars who can make money "in general". Hence the stupid Sami & KO stuff this week. It makes everybody so not important and actually pretty lame as people.

This. This. It was really cool to see his family. I have no idea who Shoemaker is, but he was basically useless, why would they even include him when you got Meltz & Laprade already ? Bullshit about WMIII (Hogan was shocked Andre didn't kick out of the legdrop, ya know) and chronology issues/WWE revisionism apart, I thought it was mostly really good. The end got me. I always find it fascinating when Vince almost looks like an actual human being. Flair's innuendo was pretty funny. It's too bad they didn't include the famous Beckett anecdote. Loved the Princess Bride stuff. Good stuff overall. The Beckett anecdote is basically fabricated. So were the WMIII anecdotes in this movie.

Ok. I know I sound like a broken record but. Why the FUCK aren't these two a top main event act TODAY ? Seriously, this is ridiculous. They have everything a pro-wrestling promotion would want from a top main event act.

This. It was really cool to see his family. I have no idea who Shoemaker is, but he was basically useless, why would they even include him when you got Meltz & Laprade already ? Bullshit about WMIII (Hogan was shocked Andre didn't kick out of the legdrop, ya know) and chronology issues/WWE revisionism apart, I thought it was mostly really good. The end got me. I always find it fascinating when Vince almost looks like an actual human being. Flair's innuendo was pretty funny. It's too bad they didn't include the famous Beckett anecdote. Loved the Princess Bride stuff. Good stuff overall.

Is this thread looping or what ? Yeah, I was very surprised when I learned he was from Quebec. Back then, I would have never guessed.

Same here. Oh yeah, this has become quite annoying. He doesn't comes off like a psychopath doing that, he comes off like a douchebag, which is not exactly what he's aiming at I think.

The Crash was by far the lesser show I've seen. Too much mindless spotfests. The lWo reunion was pretty funny. Damian 666 moves pretty well for a guy his age, and him working against his own son was unique. Pentagon vs Aries was pretty good, but Penta is a guy I feel never really puts it together in single and his selling is dubious at best, like when he comes back from a DVD on the apron without much damage at all. I felt like these guys were cruising a bit on that show.

Hauray & Carpentier were probably half the reason I became I fan (because really, sell me Beefcake squash matches & Volkoff vs Zukov as something exciting). I adored heel Guy Hauray, he was indeed awesome. To this day I still drop some of his lines around my father, who used to watch with me sometimes. His performance at Rumble 93 mocking Bob Backlund was Heenan-like. It's really too bad he quit after Mania 10, it was never the same after he left. Jean Brassard seemed like a nice guy but he was clueless (it's crazy to think they got him & Ray back now, although I admit I find it kinda cool).

Hum.... No, he's still annoying as fuck, he oversells everything. He acts like a 19 years old doing video games longplays on Youtube and overacting all the time to get more likes. The other guy (don't know his name) marking out is cool though.

Sorry about that ! I don't even think about it anymore, but I should have changed that pseudonym a long time ago when several people on the board still knew me by my actual name, there are less of them these days. Now it's a bit late to do that without confusing people I think... The oddest thing is that it actually has no connection whatsoever with *the* El-P.