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Allowed to drive and stuff (starting in June). Equal rights are far, far, far on the horizon... Wait, what ?

in the awesome Rusev & Lana video posted somewhere else, Lana said that no woman was going...

Rumour has it that Nicholas wouldn't do the job.

You summed it up right there. This and the North Korea show in 95 have to be the most politically dubious pro-wrestling shows ever.

Crazy how people are defending a 10 year old child winning the tag-team titles because "it made sense storyline-wise". Well, if that's the case, then it's really a dumb-as-fuck storyline to begin with.

Like I said, it was never the plan. Maybe Jannetty would have won the title at Mania after failing at the Rumble, but since he got fired, Tatanka was just a replacement who wasn't supposed to win the title. You should listen to Bruce's podcast about Michaels in 92/93.

I laughed.

At this point Cass seems like "random big guy that didn't work" #473927.

He's a lot better than Jay White from what I've seen of the later, but he's also got the worse ironic look ever. Well I hope that's ironic. He's got a punching routine that's over, he's pretty dynamic. Jury's out on him honestly, I didn't watch thatNnaito match last year that was pimped nor the G1 stuff. But there's something about those NJ gaijins (him, Finlay, Henare) having some awful, WCW circa 93 JTTS looks that just doesn't sit well with me.

To introduce Ken Shamrock. That was basically it. Rewatch Survivor Series. Austin uses the Texas Cloverleaf and the Octopus in an attempt to make Bret submit. JR and Vince talked a lot about making the other one submit. Heck Austin lost because he didn't let go of the Million Dollar Dream. I haven't seen that in eons. Totally forgot about those two holds. Interesting. I remember the finish clearly though, which basically was the Piper finish from Mania 8.

Fair point. Back to ignoring you. ..... Thanks for dropping some knowledge on us, my lord. Don't forget to inform the people down there next time you'll drop a post, like you usually do. You're really that important. The Mack is being talked about by us all who enjoy LU. Oh, I forgot the ignore function already. So go ahead, tell us again what should be talked about, as your prerogatives command. For fuck's sake.

Is that on Austin's podcast ? I'm quite curious about it. I've heard Austin before talked about how odd that seemed to him because he basically had no submission hold in his repertoire apart from the old Million Dollar Dream that he actually busted out at the Garden too, leading to a pin (that was something, but not enough). Then again, one can argue that the I Quit gimmick, with the live mic, can be obtrusive to the style of match Austin & Bret would want to have. Especially after Bret & Backlund laid an egg with the same stipulation. So, that was a way to have one guy having to quit while not getting a mic in the way (well, plus putting over Shamrock's character, like I mentioned before)

That's what I said, basically. But it's more a matter of execution and semantics than anything else. The end result is the same : the looser ins't pinned, he quits because of too much pain inflicted on himself. BTW, a contradictory instance would be Backlund vs Bret at Mania, which was an I Quit match ending with a submission.

Well, I guess us finding Spring Break 2 being the most enjoyable show of the week-end and loving PCO vs WALTER is irrelevant then. Then again, it's nothing new, way back when we both watched shitloads of ECW, you were acting like we disagreed on everything when it really wasn't the case (Spike, Candido, I remember these two being our most opposite views, Raven too I guess). I dunno, it was just odd to me, likewise your last sentence when I just posted a raving review of a match you mentioned as a great live experience for you. Whatever...

To introduce Ken Shamrock. That was basically it.

To submit is basically to say "I quit". Tapping out, which is a gesture that only appeared, or at least got popular, in the late 90's with Ken Shamrock getting in the WWF, doesn't mean anything other than "I quit". Before that, the guys caught in a submission hold (like the Sharpshooter or the Figure Four) would either signal to the referee that they were submitting, hence "quitting", or pass out, hence physically "quitting". The gimmick matches were not worked the same way : one was usually meaning "no pinfall, only a submission (implied hold because it's the most simple way to attain that goal) can end the match" while the other had to have the oral signal of quitting, heard true a live mic, but in the end this is exactly the same thing in term of meaning. So yes, there's a difference in semantic only. And in term of pro-wrestling, in execution of the gimmick (which I why I said I could understand nitpicking with the Austin vs Bret match to some extent, although like it's been said, it doesn't really matter, the match is a classic that goes beyond the gimmick and reducing it to the maybe non-conform execution of said gimmick is ridiculous)

First time I saw Matanza without the hood. I wouldn't have pictured him as a semi-fat Hawaiian amateur wrestler. Mythbuster. The match was really good though. Cobb definitely belongs in NJ, but I enjoy him as Matanza better, as he's not the most charismatic guy ever and he doesn't look super menacing. Ishii, well, is Ishii no matter who he faces. The journey of this guy is pretty amazing, from random WAR rookie guy to a legit great worker in his later day as a NJ mainstay.

Favourite announcing of the week-end.

If you add to PCO vs WALTER : Ellsworth vs Riddle, Starr vs Quackenbuch, the Clusterfuck and Sasuke vs Janela, Sprink Break 2 was easily the best and most insane show of the week-end. The invisible man deal was hilarious. Ellsworth was a much better worker than Nick Gage, Starr is my new favourite hairy worker. And Sasuke is still fucking insane. The main-event was a beautiful, completely organic, insane, ridiculous, fucked-up old-school ECW/FMW style clusterfuck. Those bumps these two took, Sasuke being 48 or something, warmed the heart of this old-school garbage match fan. This was indie sleaze at its best to me.

The Saoudi Cup ?

To me it's a matter of poor semantics only. Turn "submission" into "I quit" with the same match move per move, and Austin vs Hart doesn't have the issue of "well, they really don't try to submit each other" that can be a valid criticism because of the gimmick name only. But as it is, the match still is a classic to me.

"I quit match" stipulation don't demand submission matwork. The greatest I Quit match, and one of the very few match I would rate 5 stars, is Magnum TA vs Tully Blanchard.

Holy shit !

WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH ? It's 2018 and a 50 years old Quebecer Pierre/jean Pierre Lafitte just had a top 5 match of the week-end. There's too much sheer insanity in this to go into details, but it was not all about that either, as it told a really cool story with WALTER the young monster treating PCO with a patronizing arrogance, only for the old Quebec fuck to make a TerryFunkesque comeback, execute some ridiculous butt-ugly yet super impressive spots, while doing a Kobashi tribute (both in choping WALTER down to size and sporting a... purple/black chest). Where has Pierre Carl Oulette been all these years ? This has to be one of the all-time post-50 years old performance ever. Great match. (and for the old Jean Pierre Lafitte fan that I am, cool as shit, I legit marked out several times during this)

Honestly, that was the part I liked the least and could have done without. Which is probably why also I have Almas vs Black above this one (nitpicking of course at this level).